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Old 11-27-2012, 01:18 PM   #1
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When Work Is Punished: The Tragedy Of America's Welfare State

Exactly two years ago, some of the more politically biased progressive media outlets (who are quite adept at creating and taking down their own strawmen arguments, if not quite as adept at using an abacus, let alone a calculator) took offense at our article "In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year." In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more it is now more lucrative - in the form of actual disposable income - to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work. This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, "the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045."



We realize that this is a painful topic in a country in which the issue of welfare benefits, and cutting (or not) the spending side of the fiscal cliff, have become the two most sensitive social topics. Alas, none of that changes the matrix of incentives for most Americans who find themselves in a comparable situation: either being on the left side of minimum US wage, and relying on benefits, or move to the right side at far greater personal investment of work, and energy, and... have the same disposable income at the end of the day.

Naturally, the topic of wealth redistribution is paramount one now that America is entering the terminal phase of its out of control spending, and whose response to hike taxes in a globalized, easily fungible world, will merely force more of the uber-wealthy to find offshore tax jurisdictions, avoid US taxation altogether, and thus result to even lower budget revenues for the US. It explains why the cluelessly incompetent but supposedly impartial Congressional Budget Office just released a key paper titled "Share of Returns Filed by Low- and Moderate-Income Workers, by Marginal Tax Rate, Under 2012 Law" which carries a chart of disposable income by net income comparable to the one above.



But perhaps the scariest chart in the entire presentation is the following summarizing the unsustainable welfare burden on current taxpayers:



The punchline: 110 million privately employed workers; 88 million welfare recipients and government workers and rising rapidly.

And since nothing has changed in the past two years, and in fact the situation has gotten progressively (pardon the pun) worse, here is our conclusion on this topic from two years ago:

We have been writing for over a year, how the very top of America's social order steals from the middle class each and every day. Now we finally know that the very bottom of the entitlement food chain also makes out like a bandit compared to that idiot American who actually works and pays their taxes. One can only also hope that in addition to seeing their disposable income be eaten away by a kleptocratic entitlement state, that the disappearing middle class is also selling off its weaponry. Because if it isn't, and if it finally decides it has had enough, the outcome will not be surprising at all: it will be the same old that has occurred in virtually every revolution in the history of the world to date.

But for now, just stick head in sand, and pretend all is good. Self-deception is now the only thing left for the entire insolvent entitlement-addicted world.

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Full must read presentation: "Welfare's Failure and the Solution"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/114628958/welfare-failure

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-1...-welfare-state
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Mystery solved as to why so many people voted for Obama.
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I guess some folks better go out and get a job to go with their guns and religion.
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I guess some folks better go out and get a job to go with their guns and religion.
Nah, we just use the guns to take the free shit the gov gives you.
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Nah, we just use the guns to take the free shit the gov gives you.
I think you guys better take another look at those maps and see just who voted for who.

Yes, you'll try to sell it the other way, but the numbers are there in black and white!

Even with a gun you coudn't take shit from me buddy. It's been tried before.

Now tell those Red state bums to get off their asses and go get a DAMNED job!

No more hiding behind politcal Tom-foolery!
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Mystery solved as to why so many people voted for Obama.
Pennsylvania only accounts for 20 electoral votes, which is where this data comes from. It kinda makes you wonder why he has to cherry-pick the numbers from a specific state rather than using the national numbers.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same source that was posted a couple weeks ago with an article that included completely fabricated CPI data, claiming that inflation since 1970 is 600% higher than it actually is. This "zerohedge" site has about as much credibility as a supermarket tabloid.

But you guys can go ahead and continue to vilify children getting healthcare/food, I'm sure it'll be a winning strategy some day .
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But you guys can go ahead and continue to vilify children getting healthcare/food, I'm sure it'll be a winning strategy some day .
The sad thing is that it is THEM and THEIR children who will be the biggest recipients of these programs. Now you see and understand in real terms what the lack of education does to people. So ignorant that you continually vote against your own interest, juuuuust because the pundits told you to.
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Pennsylvania only accounts for 20 electoral votes, which is where this data comes from. It kinda makes you wonder why he has to cherry-pick the numbers from a specific state rather than using the national numbers.
Probably because the data was put out by the Pennsylvania department of welfare..

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I think you guys better take another look at those maps and see just who voted for who.

Yes, you'll try to sell it the other way, but the numbers are there in black and white!

Even with a gun you coudn't take shit from me buddy. It's been tried before.

Now tell those Red state bums to get off their asses and go get a DAMNED job!

No more hiding behind politcal Tom-foolery!
We are the ones with jobs.. that's why states like Texas don't have debt, don't have income tax, aren't staring bankruptcy in the face.

What would I take from you? Your ObamaBucks card? Nah, you keep it.
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The sad thing is that it is THEM and THEIR children who will be the biggest recipients of these programs. Now you see and understand in real terms what the lack of education does to people. So ignorant that you continually vote against your own interest, juuuuust because the pundits told you to.
Welfare wont matter forever...
Once the communism transformation is complete, everyone starves to death the same & kills each other off to survive.
UN Gun treaty is the key.
Disarm all Americans.
Except the criminals & Military under communist bama rule.
Criminals wont ever give up their guns.
They will Kill off all disarmed working citizens disarmed prior & unable to Blow The SOB's Heads off 1st with a bullet.

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Probably because the data was put out by the Pennsylvania department of welfare..



We are the ones with jobs.. that's why states like Texas don't have debt, don't have income tax, aren't staring bankruptcy in the face.

What would I take from you? Your ObamaBucks card? Nah, you keep it.
It's obvious you LOSERS are fresh out of b.s.

Guess you'll have to wait until FNC or Drudge give you something new to say.

You pick out 1 STATE! Just goes to show that you don't have a leg to stand on.

So be good LOSERS and go choke on your own hate!
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Probably because the data was put out by the Pennsylvania department of welfare..
Yeah no shit, but the article isn't titled "The Tragedy of PENNSYLVANIA'S Welfare State," now is it? They're cherry-picking data from a single state that barely represents 4% of the country. Nice try though.

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We are the ones with jobs.. that's why states like Texas don't have debt, don't have income tax, aren't staring bankruptcy in the face.

What would I take from you? Your ObamaBucks card? Nah, you keep it.
I've posted this before, but apparently it hasn't sunk in yet: the states that went to Romney are net takers of federal tax dollars (i.e. they spend more federal money than they pay back), whereas states that went to Obama are net CONTRIBUTORS of federal tax dollars (i.e. they pay more than they get back). It's the red states that are living on the dole, to the tune of $-1.48 trillion over the last two decades, whereas the blue states have payed a net of $2.57 trillion... it's the BLUE states that are paying the way of the RED state leeches. Those are just the cold, hard facts.


NET CONTRIBUTORS OF FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS:
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           $BILLION IN TAXES  $BILLION IN SPENDING  DIFFERENCE

Delaware:        211.1               86.4             +124.8
Minnesota:      1016.9              503.8             +513.2
New Jersey:     1656.2              950.5             +705.7
Illinois:       2000.0             1299.1             +700.9
Connecticut:     715.2              474.5             +240.7
New York:       3320.8             2364.6             +956.2
Ohio:           1569.3             1265.8             +303.5
Michigan:       1228.0             1031.2             +196.8
Nebraska:        246.5              202.2              +44.2
Massachusetts:  1065.5              917.9             +147.6
Colorado:        606.9              506.2             +100.7
Wisconsin:       630.1              543.3              +86.8
Texas:          2738.6             2348.8             +398.8
Georgia:        1018.3              918.8              +99.5
Nevada:          219.9              197.0              +22.9
California:     4249.5             3913.3             +336.2
Arkansas:        333.3              316.3              +17.0
Washington:      785.8              739.6              +46.2
Rhode Island:    145.6              139.7               +6.0
New Hampshire:   134.2              129.7               +4.5
NET TAKERS OF FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS:
Code:
Pennsylvania:   1602.3             1602.5               -0.2
Indiana:         632.0              642.2              -10.2
North Carolina:  863.5              881.3              -17.8
Oregon:          350.0              361.8              -11.8
Kansas:          307.1              331.7              -24.6
Missouri:        723.5              794.3              -70.8
Tennessee:       649.9              731.2              -81.3
Utah:            187.6              225.3              -37.7
Oklahoma:        385.0              434.3              -49.3
Florida:        1704.0             2002.7             -298.7
Idaho:           124.3              148.4              -24.1
Iowa:            268.9              332.2              -63.3
Wyoming:          51.3               70.4              -19.1
Vermont:          54.7               73.9              -19.2
Arizona:         424.9              631.7             -206.8
Louisiana:       397.8              601.2             -203.5
South Dakota:     64.7              109.9              -45.3
South Carolina:  302.1              494.5             -192.4
Kentucky:        329.3              536.8             -207.5
Hawaii:          118.9              206.6              -87.7
Virginia:        848.1             1441.0             -592.9
Alaska:           63.2              131.4              -68.2
Maryland:       1030.8             1604.1             -573.3
Maine:            96.9              172.5              -75.6
North Dakota:     53.9              102.6              -48.7
Alabama:         340.1              630.8             -290.6
Montana:          60.8              125.2              -64.5
West Virginia:    98.6              247.6             -149.0
Mississippi:     164.7              404.6             -239.9
New Mexico:      115.7              316.6             -201.0
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It's obvious you LOSERS are fresh out of b.s.

Guess you'll have to wait until FNC or Drudge give you something new to say.

You pick out 1 STATE! Just goes to show that you don't have a leg to stand on.

So be good LOSERS and go choke on your own hate!
looks to me you have enough hate to go around
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Yeah no shit, but the article isn't titled "The Tragedy of PENNSYLVANIA'S Welfare State," now is it? They're cherry-picking data from a single state that barely represents 4% of the country. Nice try though.



I've posted this before, but apparently it hasn't sunk in yet: the states that went to Romney are net takers of federal tax dollars (i.e. they spend more federal money than they pay back), whereas states that went to Obama are net CONTRIBUTORS of federal tax dollars (i.e. they pay more than they get back). It's the red states that are living on the dole, to the tune of $-1.48 trillion over the last two decades, whereas the blue states have payed a net of $2.57 trillion... it's the BLUE states that are paying the way of the RED state leeches. Those are just the cold, hard facts.


NET CONTRIBUTORS OF FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS:
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           $BILLION IN TAXES  $BILLION IN SPENDING  DIFFERENCE

Delaware:        211.1               86.4             +124.8
Minnesota:      1016.9              503.8             +513.2
New Jersey:     1656.2              950.5             +705.7
Illinois:       2000.0             1299.1             +700.9
Connecticut:     715.2              474.5             +240.7
New York:       3320.8             2364.6             +956.2
Ohio:           1569.3             1265.8             +303.5
Michigan:       1228.0             1031.2             +196.8
Nebraska:        246.5              202.2              +44.2
Massachusetts:  1065.5              917.9             +147.6
Colorado:        606.9              506.2             +100.7
Wisconsin:       630.1              543.3              +86.8
Texas:          2738.6             2348.8             +398.8
Georgia:        1018.3              918.8              +99.5
Nevada:          219.9              197.0              +22.9
California:     4249.5             3913.3             +336.2
Arkansas:        333.3              316.3              +17.0
Washington:      785.8              739.6              +46.2
Rhode Island:    145.6              139.7               +6.0
New Hampshire:   134.2              129.7               +4.5
NET TAKERS OF FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS:
Code:
Pennsylvania:   1602.3             1602.5               -0.2
Indiana:         632.0              642.2              -10.2
North Carolina:  863.5              881.3              -17.8
Oregon:          350.0              361.8              -11.8
Kansas:          307.1              331.7              -24.6
Missouri:        723.5              794.3              -70.8
Tennessee:       649.9              731.2              -81.3
Utah:            187.6              225.3              -37.7
Oklahoma:        385.0              434.3              -49.3
Florida:        1704.0             2002.7             -298.7
Idaho:           124.3              148.4              -24.1
Iowa:            268.9              332.2              -63.3
Wyoming:          51.3               70.4              -19.1
Vermont:          54.7               73.9              -19.2
Arizona:         424.9              631.7             -206.8
Louisiana:       397.8              601.2             -203.5
South Dakota:     64.7              109.9              -45.3
South Carolina:  302.1              494.5             -192.4
Kentucky:        329.3              536.8             -207.5
Hawaii:          118.9              206.6              -87.7
Virginia:        848.1             1441.0             -592.9
Alaska:           63.2              131.4              -68.2
Maryland:       1030.8             1604.1             -573.3
Maine:            96.9              172.5              -75.6
North Dakota:     53.9              102.6              -48.7
Alabama:         340.1              630.8             -290.6
Montana:          60.8              125.2              -64.5
West Virginia:    98.6              247.6             -149.0
Mississippi:     164.7              404.6             -239.9
New Mexico:      115.7              316.6             -201.0
http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...s-fiscal-union
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Nice post.

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This is a meaningless chart. Income redistribution is a fact and it flows from richer states to poorer states -- from states with less poverty to states with more poverty. That's the way the libs intend for it to work. To come back and blame the poor states for this condition when the libs are the ones who set it up is a little ridiculous.
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To come back and blame the poor states for this condition when the libs are the ones who set it up is a little ridiculous.
You were the one making the baseless claim that Obama won the election because of people on federal aid... if that were true, then Obama would've won states like Oklahoma, Louisiana, Kentucky and Arizona in a landslide... and he would've lost states like New York, Illinois, New Jersey, etc.

I feel a bit like Karl Pilkington as "Bullshit Man" in this thread
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