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Old 12-05-2012, 11:34 PM   #46
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Just in general it seems that many (not just here) would be in agreement with store personnel bringing a gun to the scene, and I was just wondering if they'd change their mind about that course of action if they had a loved-one on the scene.

As an off-duty officer, you're never really off duty, but you'd first want to assess the situation first. If you see that there is no threat to human life, then there's no need for a gun. However, a rookie might panic, pull his gun and escalate the situation. A seasoned veteran would "feel" things out first, before pulling his gun. That goes for on-duty, as well as off-duty. Most situations involving a perp with a gun a resolved peacefully.
....I'm basing my answer on what I see out here in CA, I
would say in likely hood at 99% Law Enforcement would
drawn their weapon in this type of situation, you see it
all the time on TV, "officer involved shooting".....
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I've been in stores that have been robbed on more than a few occasions, and imho, he should've jumped in his car, called 911 and followed the guy...giving the police as much detailed info as possible about the perp, the car, plates ect. If the employee had shot and injured, or worse yet killed somebody, then Autozone would no doubt be held liable. I love firearms, but often people think that just because they have access to a gun, that the gun is the only solution.

Too many people who own guns don't take the time to think things through, and don't realize the awesome responsibility that comes with a weapon. This is mostly due to the lack of respect for these weapons.

For those that "sided" with the employee, would you still feel the same if your kid, wife, gf or other loved-one was in the store?? Would you chance their lives with a guy who obviously didn't think things through??
If the perp brought a weapon to the crime, one would have to assume that he was willing to use it if necessary.
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....I'm basing my answer on what I see out here in CA, I
would say in likely hood at 99% Law Enforcement would
drawn their weapon in this type of situation, you see it
all the time on TV, "officer involved shooting".....
True, but I think the reporting is often based on the outcome. If there's a shooting, then yes, it'll be all over the news, if it's resolved peacefully, then it usually doesn't get the air time.

But you didn't answer the question. Would you be ok with a store clerk getting a gun during a robbery if you had loved ones inside? Just asking, not bust'n ya balls
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If the perp brought a weapon to the crime, one would have to assume that he was willing to use it if necessary.
True. Every situation is different and It may depend on what kind of Intel they have on the perp. If it's a kid with no prior's who's never been involved in a violent crime or never fired the weapon, then they might assume that he's not a violent guy. On the other hand, I wouldn't blame an officer if he did draw his weapon.

An old youth counselor of mines joined the Police force in Baltimore... of all places , he mentioned that if they don't have info, then they assume that the situation can turn violent. If their Intel tells them that the perp is unlikely to get violent, then they take other measures. This is mostly for the safety of the perp, as the officers are well trained and are more than likely to kill the perp...which is something they really don't want to do, unless they really have to.

The officers won't just go stand out in the open, but they'll assume safe positions and negotiate. If the perp has a hostage, then usually SWAT is called in and guns are definitely drawn .

I'm sure each state do things differently in different situations.
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True, but I think the reporting is often based on the outcome. If there's a shooting, then yes, it'll be all over the news, if it's resolved peacefully, then it usually doesn't get the air time.

But you didn't answer the question. Would you be ok with a store clerk getting a gun during a robbery if you had loved ones inside? Just asking,
not bust'n ya balls
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....to answer your question; yes I would be okay with it, I
believe it would bring to bear the robber's focus on the clerk
in the store....the robber would want to leave if confronted
by an armed employee before getting
shot as you see in most videos....
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If the perp brought a weapon to the crime, one would have to assume that he was willing to use it if necessary.

And possibly if not necessary.

Just putting it out there...I believe that if you pull a gun on someone while committing a crime, you have forfeited your right to life. Period. And if one of the victims has a gun, I hope they have an opportunity to make right the situation. Especially if myself or my loved ones are present.

With that said, IMHO, the only thing I could find fault with in this situation is that the employee yelled freeze and told the criminal to drop the gun like he was on some TV cop drama. If he was so certain that the criminal was an imminent threat to life that he chose to re-enter the store with the weapon rather than call police, he should have simply ended the threat.

"Verbal warnings" to a criminal holding a gun is a good way to get yourself or someone else shot because you have probably scared/startled the shit out of the criminal and you have also given away any element of surprise you might have had. Not to mention you gave the criminal 100% control of how the situation is going to play out.
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And possibly if not necessary.

Just putting it out there...I believe that if you pull a gun on someone while committing a crime, you have forfeited your right to life. Period. And if one of the victims has a gun, I hope they have an opportunity to make right the situation. Especially if myself or my loved ones are present.

With that said, IMHO, the only thing I could find fault with in this situation is that the employee yelled freeze and told the criminal to drop the gun like he was on some TV cop drama. If he was so certain that the criminal was an imminent threat to life that he chose to re-enter the store with the weapon rather than call police, he should have simply ended the threat.

"Verbal warnings" to a criminal holding a gun is a good way to get yourself or someone else shot because you have probably scared/startled the shit out of the criminal and you have also given away any element of surprise you might have had. Not to mention you gave the criminal 100% control of how the situation is going to play out.
Very thoughtful.
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....to answer your question; yes I would be okay with it, I
believe it would bring to bear the robber's focus on the clerk
in the store....the robber would want to leave if confronted
by an armed employee before getting
shot as you see in most videos....
You just might be right. My thinking is that the perp may just decide to take one of them hostage if confronted with a gun, to use as a shield. If shot are fired, then there would be a good chance of injuries or casualties. I do see your point though.
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And possibly if not necessary.

Just putting it out there...I believe that if you pull a gun on someone while committing a crime, you have forfeited your right to life. Period. And if one of the victims has a gun, I hope they have an opportunity to make right the situation. Especially if myself or my loved ones are present.

With that said, IMHO, the only thing I could find fault with in this situation is that the employee yelled freeze and told the criminal to drop the gun like he was on some TV cop drama. If he was so certain that the criminal was an imminent threat to life that he chose to re-enter the store with the weapon rather than call police, he should have simply ended the threat.

"Verbal warnings" to a criminal holding a gun is a good way to get yourself or someone else shot because you have probably scared/startled the shit out of the criminal and you have also given away any element of surprise you might have had. Not to mention you gave the criminal 100% control of how the situation is going to play out.
If you're gonna do it... then do it!
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... so what did he say?
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... so what did he say?
"Fortunately, I don't have to....Bam! Bam! Bam!"
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... so what did he say?
...what's up pussy cat whoa, whoa, whooa,
...what's up pussy cat whoa, whoa, whooa,
...what's up pussy cat whoa, whoa, whooa, whoooooaaa......
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Very thoughtful.

Thank you. Before I got my CCP, I spent a lot of time thinking about why I wanted it, and how I was going to conduct myself while I carried.
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