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Old 12-11-2012, 06:45 AM   #1
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Michigan going "Right to Work"?

TX has been right-to-work my whole life and people aren't dying in the streets. This is a faux issue. If you want to organize, feel free to do so. If you don't, go for it. Apparently unions missed the memo about freedom and liberty in this country.

President Obama on Monday slammed Michigan Republicans for their rapid push to pass "right-to-work" legislation, joining other Democrats who were making a last-ditch play to oppose the bill in the final hours before its likely passage.
The president weighed in on the debate for the first time during a stop at an engine plant outside Detroit. He departed from his usual discussion of fiscal crisis negotiations to chide local Republicans for pursuing legislation that would prohibit unions from demanding dues from workers.
"I've just got to say this -- what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages," Obama said, to raucous applause. "These so-called 'right-to-work' laws, they don't have anything to do with economics. They have everything to do with politics.
"What they're really talking about is they're giving you the right to work for less money," he said.
The comments were part of a last-minute attempt by Democrats to pressure Republicans in Lansing. Michigan Democratic Sen. Carl Levin and House Democrats also met Monday with Republican Gov. Rick Snyder and said they urged him to veto the bills. Meanwhile, Michigan House leaders called for more debate before the GOP-led Legislature takes final action on the measures as early as Tuesday.
Snyder, though, has committed to signing the bill. The Republican-led state House and Senate approved bills last week.
Lansing authorities are bracing for an onslaught of protesters Tuesday. They have increased police presence and plan road closings and parking restrictions around the Capitol.
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid also added his voice to the clamor on Monday, calling the push a "blatant attempt by Michigan Republicans to assault the collective bargaining process and undermine the standard of living it has helped foster."
Snyder, though, has said he's "not picking a fight."
"I feel this is solving an issue for Michigan workers. We have hardworking people in Michigan and this is about giving workers choice," the governor said last week.
The surprise move by Michigan Republicans last Thursday to approve the anti-union bills touched off a firestorm in the home of the U.S. auto industry. Following high-profile fights over union privileges in Wisconsin and Indiana, Michigan in an instant became the latest battleground in that struggle.
If the bill passes, Michigan would become the 24th "right-to-work" state in the nation -- and American unions would suffer a stinging defeat in the cradle of the labor movement. Union bosses made clear they won't go down without a fight.
"It's an attack on working families, and we're gonna be there. We're not gonna stand for it," Bernie Ricke, president of the United Auto Workers Local 600, said, according to MyFoxDetroit.
According to MyFoxDetroit, members of Local 600 in Dearborn met Saturday to plan for the massive Tuesday demonstration, even going through a practice protest run with some members pretending to be Tea Partiers in support of "right-to-work" legislation.
Though Republicans control the capital and have the votes to send the bill to Snyder's desk, opponents are planning to mount a legal challenge should that happen. Given the rapid manner with which the bills moved and the fact some demonstrators were kept out of the chambers, Democrats say they'll challenge under open-meetings laws.
The Detroit Free Press also reports that Democrats could try and challenge a provision that exempts police and firefighters.
However, any attempt to bring the proposal to referendum is complicated by the fact that the bill contained an appropriation -- and under Michigan law, appropriations bills cannot be challenged by popular vote.

In order to bring the "right-to-work" bill to referendum, supporters would have to first prove the appropriation to be somehow invalid or inappropriate.
Opponents could also launch recall campaigns against targeted Republicans in retaliation, as they did in Wisconsin following a vote that cracked down on collective bargaining.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/10/police-prepare-for-major-protests-in-michigan-capital-over-union-bill/#ixzz2EkbLI3fQ
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It really is becoming the Great lake State
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No Right to Education though....screw the kids!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...an-union-bill/

Two Michigan school districts reportedly closed shop Tuesday after teachers called out, likely so they could participate in union protests tied to the expected passage of "right-to-work" legislation this week in the state capital.

Demonstrators have already started to march down the streets, as lawmakers return to put the final touches on legislation that would bar unions from demanding dues from workers. The move would make Michigan the 24th "right-to-work" state and strike a blow to organized labor in the heart of the U.S. auto industry.

Local unions spent the weekend preparing for massive protests on Tuesday, in a last-ditch push to pressure lawmakers. WDIV in Detroit reports that both the Warren and Taylor school districts had to close Tuesday after so many teachers called out absent.

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder, in an interview with Fox News, said it was "unfortunate" that teachers called out.

"Too often the educational system's all about the adults," he said. "To see schools shutting down because of an issue like this is not appropriate in my view."


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I wish one of the union guys would explain to us what all the ruckus is about and why this is such a big deal?

I have not read anything regarding the stopping of unions. It looks like to me that now because they are not forced and have a choice that it is a bad thing with those people.

Someone enlighten me please.
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I wish one of the union guys would explain to us what all the ruckus is about and why this is such a big deal?

I have not read anything regarding the stopping of unions. It looks like to me that now because they are not forced and have a choice that it is a bad thing with those people.

Someone enlighten me please.
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I wish one of the union guys would explain to us what all the ruckus is about and why this is such a big deal?

I have not read anything regarding the stopping of unions. It looks like to me that now because they are not forced and have a choice that it is a bad thing with those people.

Someone enlighten me please.
Sure thing... as someone who works for a company that employees UAW employees, I'm very familiar with this complete fallacy. The media and union reps would have you think that they are getting screwed and union families are going to be put on the street to starve... the real fact of the matter is that all this legislation simply does is force unions to stop making everyone who works for a union shop pay dues. This means that if you want to work for a shop that employs UAW workers but you don't want to be a part of the union, then you have that "right to work". Now, you won't be "protected" by the union but maybe you don't care.

The problem with most bigger unions today is that they collect mandatory dues from all of the workers in a union shop and then give that money to political causes that DO NOT reflect the political leanings of all their members. That's what scares the unions so much... losing all of that revenue that ends up in Democrat coffers thus ensuring the elite treatment of the unions. I'm all for this legislation, as are a LOT of union workers that are sick and tired of their $$$ going for political causes while the union contract negotiators are coming up with contracts that are not the best for the common worker. Most bigger unions of today have become large, greedy, and selfish corporations themselves... the very thing liberals would have us hate about business!!
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You can only have it one way, America... individual freedom or big government. Which is it going to be?
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Sure thing... as someone who works for a company that employees UAW employees, I'm very familiar with this complete fallacy. The media and union reps would have you think that they are getting screwed and union families are going to be put on the street to starve... the real fact of the matter is that all this legislation simply does is force unions to stop making everyone who works for a union shop have to pay dues. This means that if you want to work for a shop that employs UAW workers but you don't want to be a part of the union, then you have that "right to work". Now, you won't be "protected" by the union but maybe you don't care.

The problem with most bigger unions today is that they collect due from all of the workers and then give that money to political causes that DO NOT reflect the political leanings of all their members. That's what scares the unions so much... losing all of that revenue that ends up in Democrat coffers thus ensuring the elite treatment of the unions. I'm all for this legislation, as are a LOT of union workers that are sick and tired of their $$$ going for political causes while the union contract negotiators are coming up with contracts that are not the best for the common worker. Most bigger unions of today have become large, greedy, and selfish corporations themselves... the very thing liberals would have us hate about business!!
So the left lives by double standards???? NOOOOOO......
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I saw one of them being interviewed this morning. For the rank and file it's about "fairness". It's not fair to work next to someone on a line who doesn't pay dues but gets the benefits the union negotiates. But somehow, it is fair to coerce those workers to give up their paycheck when they don't really want to be in a union. Sounds like a nine year old: "It's not faaaaaaaiiiiirrr"!!!!!!
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b18_1355258119

I cant see the link so if is not what it is suppose to be let me know.

It suppose to be one of the Fox reporters getting popped by one or more of the protesters.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b18_1355258119

I cant see the link so if is not what it is suppose to be let me know.

It suppose to be one of the Fox reporters getting popped by one or more of the protesters.
Damn!

Nice upstanding union members.



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So my oldest son gets his first job at a grocery store near by, bagging and collecting carts......he is 14 at the time.
They pay every two weeks and he was expecting a nice first paycheck......I drove him there and stayed in the car to give him the pride of going in and getting his first paycheck....( in looking back I could kick my own ass for talking him into a job so young when he would have to work for the rest of his life.)
He comes out so upset and pissed off......he brings home less than $20.
After taxes and $40 UNION DUES! WTF?

We go in and I take it up with his arrogant boss who tells me its union protocol.... he is 14 years old dumb ass..... so your telling me he will be casting votes and such at the union hall with all the other union guys?
I told him they only showed a young man what unions do to their members.
The law will effect less than 1 out of 5 people here.

Oh, and that kid grew up to become a Black hawk pilot
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So my oldest son gets his first job at a grocery store near by, bagging and collecting carts......he is 14 at the time.
They pay every two weeks and he was expecting a nice first paycheck......I drove him there and stayed in the car to give him the pride of going in and getting his first paycheck....( in looking back I could kick my own ass for talking him into a job so young when he would have to work for the rest of his life.)
He comes out so upset and pissed off......he brings home less than $20.
After taxes and $40 UNION DUES! WTF?

We go in and I take it up with his arrogant boss who tells me its union protocol.... he is 14 years old dumb ass..... so your telling me he will be casting votes and such at the union hall with all the other union guys?
I told him they only showed a young man what unions do to their members.
The law will effect less than 1 out of 5 people here.

Oh, and that kid grew up to become a Black hawk pilot
Your son learned a life lesson that day.
Sorry he had to learn it that way though.

Thank him for his service for me.
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