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Old 12-13-2012, 06:26 PM   #31
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You're absolutely right. Sequencing the human genome was incredible, however it was not the pharmaceutical industry that did it nor did they contribute. More importantly they don't advertise that accomplishment. I was a math and science major in college, and I work in a technical and engineering career field. I think it is a tragedy we wasted years not utilizing our full scientific and technological potential. It was scientists and students that did that work and the pharmaceutical companies will capitalize on it to grow penises or breasts or something like that. Hell, it would be great if they would just work on curing the common cold, or maybe even something difficult like prostate cancer or pancreatic cancer.
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You're absolutely right. Sequencing the human genome was incredible, however it was not the pharmaceutical industry that did it nor did they contribute. More importantly they don't advertise that accomplishment. I was a math and science major in college, and I work in a technical and engineering career field. I think it is a tragedy we wasted years not utilizing our full scientific and technological potential. It was scientists and students that did that work and the pharmaceutical companies will capitalize on it to grow penises or breasts or something like that. Hell, it would be great if they would just work on curing the common cold, or maybe even something difficult like prostate cancer or pancreatic cancer.
Actually, the large pharma companies are funding some of the largest human sequencing projects to date...literally 100's-1000's of samples at a time. They are keeping this information for themselves...trying to build databases of human variation in a whole host of phenotypes with the endpoint being the ability to identify new targets/and or biomarkers to be used for drug development/diagnostic purposes.
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Actually, the large pharma companies are funding some of the largest human sequencing projects to date...literally 100's-1000's of samples at a time. They are keeping this information for themselves...trying to build databases of human variation in a whole host of phenotypes with the endpoint being the ability to identify new targets/and or biomarkers to be used for drug development/diagnostic purposes.
Exactly, where were they during the initial research when all of the work and most of the money was needed? Pretty fart smellers aren't they?
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Look, you and I know that rates have been increasing with and without the new law.
....but I also agree that the govt. has always wanted a single-payer system. Pubs and as well Dems have been trying to push this for a veeeery long time. Like many programs that the govt tries to pass, timing is everything.
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If by a new way, you mean 3-6 month waits after your doctor orders a CT scan or 9 months wait for a mammogram, then we are probably headed for a new way. I recently posted an article where a world health watchdog organization showed the U.S. was number one in the ability to get recommended tests and care in a short period of time. Our system is often belittled because of poorer healthcare outcomes than many socialized healthcare countries. But we are a much larger country with a much larger diversity both racially and economically, and we have one of the most sedentary lifestyles in the world - especially among the lower socioeconomic groups. But when it comes to getting care quickly when you need it, no one comes close to the U.S. - whether you have health insurance or not. You will probably get your "new way". Come back in a few years an let me know how you like it.
Interestingly enough this country's diversity and numbers are an asset not a negative. I ask you, what's more important, ones own convenience getting recommended tests quickly or a healthier population as a whole? Maybe if the majority of us had another paradigm, one of good health maybe, it could possibly be fewer instances of those kinds of issues of uninsured people getting emergency care or having to wait for those tests.
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Interesting analogy the corvette has evolved in spite of EPA regulations and costs are extremely competitive regardless of the increase in technology through good business practices. The same good business practices could be applied to health care. My corporation could be better served spending more of its profits towards growing the business hiring more people to contribute to creating a more competitive business and lowering unemployment. . Not an entitlement but cooperation. More money in the coffers better health care for all. Pharmaceutical companies advertise drugs that promote a better sex life or something that will grow hair. What a waste. I never hear them speak on developing technology that prolongs life instead of erections. That stuff sells though.


If Obama Care was intended to lower costs and improve care, everything you just said would have been in the design. You are right on. The first step would be to open competition accross state lines and allowing larger co-oped groups amoungst smaller group employers. But NONE of what you or I suggest is in Obama care. Why is that?
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Well, I have a bit of a different take...and I too am in a way employed in the healthcare industry...though at its base. If you look at organizations like Kaiser Permanente, UPMC Healthcare System, The Mayo Clinic, The Cleveland Clinic, and Harvard Partners Healthcare System I believe you will see the future of "commercial" healthcare. These are systems with very large member bases, tied to state of the art hospitals where the physicians are effectively on a salary and the procedures have a fixed cost. They have managed to keep their yearly increases to their subscribers well below the national averages while not sacrificing in any way the care they provide. More and more health insurance companies are building their own hospitals with the intent to mimick these organizations...it is, to be short, the only way they can/will survive in what is becoming a competitive marketplace. And the competition will be driven by Obamacare (government backed healthcare) and the industry itself. In due time you will see the cost for healthcare plateau and with any luck, begin to decline. Not unlike car insurance (which saw the rise in rates out of control back in the late 60's and into the 70's) as more competition came forward the cost for auto insurance stabilized and now people can shop around if they don't like the price they are paying. You will see the same thing happening in healthcare insurance...no doubt.
There is no need for government backed healthcare if the government would only allow more competition between health insurers. Obama Care is a scam.
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What ObamaCare was designed to do was consolidate the US Healthcare system down to 3-5 major companies. These companies will basically lose their ass and be in constant bailout situations resulting in those company's becoming either 2 or 3 GSE's or 1 big GSE. This will take the profit out of the private sector part of health insurance, and leave the government controlling all the money associated with healthcare.

Seemingly, it will result in single-payer. But in reality, it will result in bureaucrats determining care as opposed to doctors, doctor shortages (massive) and a serious reduction in the standard to become a doctor.

So, we will get to pay ridiculous amounts for healthcare, which would rank in the bottom 3rd worldwide, while politicians and bureaucrats will have a new avenue for milking money out of us. That is why the IRS was picked as the bulldog for the legislation.
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What ObamaCare was designed to do was consolidate the US Healthcare system down to 3-5 major companies. These companies will basically lose their ass and be in constant bailout situations resulting in those company's becoming either 2 or 3 GSE's or 1 big GSE. This will take the profit out of the private sector part of health insurance, and leave the government controlling all the money associated with healthcare.

Seemingly, it will result in single-payer. But in reality, it will result in bureaucrats determining care as opposed to doctors, doctor shortages (massive) and a serious reduction in the standard to become a doctor.

So, we will get to pay ridiculous amounts for healthcare, which would rank in the bottom 3rd worldwide, while politicians and bureaucrats will have a new avenue for milking money out of us. That is why the IRS was picked as the bulldog for the legislation.

To speak such truths makes a person sound paranoid.



Obamacare "Affordable Health Care Act" does everything OPPOSITE of what it would take to reduce costs. It mandates additional expensive coverages. It eliminates most exclusions. It requires everyone to have coverage. It does not create additional competition. It does not open trade between states. It does not create any form of self responsibility.
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Was I dreaming or did the President say that his health plan would lower costs?
He also promised cutting the deficit , I'm finding it harder and harder each day to figure what orifice Obama is talking out of
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Interestingly enough this country's diversity and numbers are an asset not a negative. I ask you, what's more important, ones own convenience getting recommended tests quickly or a healthier population as a whole? Maybe if the majority of us had another paradigm, one of good health maybe, it could possibly be fewer instances of those kinds of issues of uninsured people getting emergency care or having to wait for those tests.
But no healthcare legislation can force that new paradigm. That is a personal lifestyle choice. I realize the left doesn't believe we should have any personal choices, but the founding fathers sure did, and so do I. What is with this concept that society is better if everybody lives longer? If people live longer, we just have to deliver more healthcare. My Dad is 89, nearly blind, has two bad hips and can barely walk. I see him every day, and I know for sure I don't want to live to be 89 if I can't do ANYTHING I want to do. People need to do what they have always done - die at a reasonable age and make room for the babies being born. And I don't say these things lightly since I am 62 years old. Brutal? Yep. But it's the natural order of things.
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He also promised cutting the deficit , I'm finding it harder and harder each day to figure what orifice Obama is talking out of
I thought it was pretty obvious.
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To speak such truths makes a person sound paranoid.
I hear that a lot!
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I hear that a lot!
Which one of your personas hears it a lot?
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Which one of your personas hears it a lot?
Try and get some sleep, ya wanka!

It's gonna be another 4 years before you get "your" country back!
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