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Old 12-23-2012, 06:15 PM   #61
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...wow, you sure have a short fuse with anyone who disagrees
with your views and you consider them STUPID....please, show
me WHERE HAVE I ATTACK your rights, I hold the right to my
opinion in agreement to yours or not, I think you need to sit
back and re-read you response to others.

....beside I am not playing any games, you appear as the all
knowing here, no one makes any sense if it is not in compliance with your ideas....
There a mirror in your house? The only solution you have offered up is to roll over to the gun control fanatics because a headcase stole a gun and murdered a bunch of people. That makes so much sense, I applied it to cars.

"Gee, some headcase addicted to psycho actives killed a bunch of people with a gun, AGAIN. Let's make it to where only the criminals have guns and see if that works".

"Let's ban those evil black assault rifles". Great idea, since this gun didn't even fall under the assault rifle category and was sold legally with an AWB in place in Conn.

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....I gotta ask did you actually read your replies before you
posted, as you typed....

....ANYTHING I HAVE EVER SAID HAS TO DO WITH LIMITS,
you want NO LIMITS and you would put a gun in everyone's
hand, your asking for ZERO percent gun control, that would
include criminals also...

.....some one gave that person access to weapons when
they shouldn't have and he did what he did....

.....and you don't see any "flaw" with letting anyone buy
a weapon that can fire a high impact round in high volume
magazines as in an (assault rifle)....


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There a mirror in your house? The only solution you have offered up is to roll over to the gun control fanatics because a headcase stole a gun and murdered a bunch of people. That makes so much sense, I applied it to cars.

"Gee, some headcase addicted to psycho actives killed a bunch of people with a gun, AGAIN. Let's make it to where only the criminals have guns and see if that works".

"Let's ban those evil black assault rifles". Great idea, since this gun didn't even fall under the assault rifle category and was sold legally with an AWB in place in Conn.

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....ANYTHING I HAVE EVER SAID HAS TO DO WITH LIMITS, you want NO LIMITS and you would put a gun in everyone's hand, your asking for ZERO percent gun control, that would include criminals also...
You must be very uninformed on gun laws. There are limits already in place. Your only answer, has been to give in to the gun control fanatics and let them place more limits, which would also not help a damn thing. There was an AWB in place when Columbine happened. Didn't help a damn thing because CRIMINALS DO CRIMINAL SHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

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.....and you don't see any "flaw" with letting anyone buy
a weapon that can fire a high impact round in high volume
magazines as in an (assault rifle)....
I also see no flaw in allowing someone to buy a car that will do 180mph even though more than 95% of the country has a maximum speed limit of 75mph, and cars kill about 3 times as many people as guns do. I have no problem with people buying alcohol, even though alcohol kills about 10 times more people than guns do.

My .22 rifle (not an evil black gun) can empty 25 rounds in a few seconds. This gun would not be included in an AWB. There are many guns capable of delivering a lot of ammo in a short time that would not be subject to an AWB. The AWB didn't work, doesn't work, no matter how many times the lie is told it's still a lie.
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You must be very uninformed on gun laws. There are limits already in place. Your only answer, has been to give in to the gun control fanatics and let them place more limits, which would also not help a damn thing. There was an AWB in place when Columbine happened. Didn't help a damn thing because CRIMINALS DO CRIMINAL SHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE CRIMINALS.



I also see no flaw in allowing someone to buy a car that will do 180mph even though more than 95% of the country has a maximum speed limit of 75mph, and cars kill about 3 times as many people as guns do. I have no problem with people buying alcohol, even though alcohol kills about 10 times more people than guns do.

My .22 rifle (not an evil black gun) can empty 25 rounds in a few seconds. This gun would not be included in an AWB. There are many guns capable of delivering a lot of ammo in a short time that would not be subject to an AWB. The AWB didn't work, doesn't work, no matter how many times the lie is told it's still a lie.
....thanks for finally answering me, in regards to the first
response, I am well aware that they have limits in place
and you are still able to have those weapons, understanding
that they want to ban certain weapons is all part of it isn't it,
if that put assault weapons in only Law Enforcement hands
is that a bad thing, I thought gun owners trained themselves
with accuracy with the personal protection, why the need for
an AK-47 at home or an AR-15 for that matter.....

.....I personally disregard the vehicle stuff, for the fact is
you can't hid it under your coat to enter a building, but
that doesn't make the car less deadly, just non-related....

....as far as the 22 rifle sure that one gets by probably
because of the caliber, in as much as booze kills 10 X
what guns do, people break that law every single day,
but it does not fall under the pretense of murder....
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....thanks for finally answering me, in regards to the first
response, I am well aware that they have limits in place
and you are still able to have those weapons, understanding
that they want to ban certain weapons is all part of it isn't it,
if that put assault weapons in only Law Enforcement hands
is that a bad thing,
What is an assault weapon? Any gun is an "assault weapon". Guns were created to kill, not one gun is any less lethal than another. No legislation is being proposed to reduce assault weapons to police or military only. Every piece I have read only regards new production. So really the target is reducing money flow into the right wing politics in the country. The legislation would weaken company's that produce those weapons, which also subsequently produces other types of weapons. The move would ultimately reduce the industry to 3 or 4 major players, who's biggest and most financially important customer is the government. By not proposing to confiscate the current supply of weapons, this ban would be completely toothless as far as reducing crime is concerned.

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I thought gun owners trained themselves
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an AK-47 at home or an AR-15 for that matter.....
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What is an assault weapon? Any gun is an "assault weapon". Guns were created to kill, not one gun is any less lethal than another. No legislation is being proposed to reduce assault weapons to police or military only. Every piece I have read only regards new production. So really the target is reducing money flow into the right wing politics in the country. The legislation would weaken company's that produce those weapons, which also subsequently produces other types of weapons. The move would ultimately reduce the industry to 3 or 4 major players, who's biggest and most financially important customer is the government. By not proposing to confiscate the current supply of weapons, this ban would be completely toothless as far as reducing crime is concerned.
....I going to follow up on the ban, then I'll get back to you,
sit back a take a breather....
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... so what
you are saying is: LAPD was stupid in not having assault
weapons in their vehicles in case they run across band robbers
in full body armor[/COLOR]....and further more the hand gun stopped
the first gunman with a head shot...

That is exactly what I am saying. Cops need to have rifles to do their jobs. A semi-auto Remington 7400 or a Colt 6920 AR15. They are the same rifle, but one looks like a hunting rifle and one looks like what the Army uses. Both can be fitted with magazines of 5-100 rounds.

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....that has nothing to do with the Hollywood Shootout...AR-15 against a AK-47 I don't think that
is a even match...
I don't agree. I own both and keep the AR loaded and ready for home-defense use. If I was going to drag the rifle through the desert, jungle, swamp, or other dirty environment, I would want the AK. In a clean environment, like a patrol vehicle, I would take the AR any day. Of course, I am not loading military ball in my defensive weapons. If that were the case, I might go the other way.

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....I don't think you going to see that enacted...
I think that there is a greater chance of this than ever before. If we watch the news and listen to the political class, we would think that the citizenry was on the fence on the gun issue. The reality is that ours is a gun culture and only on the boob tube or in the minds of academia is gun control "for the people". There are so many guns being purchased right now, that the system is choked.

Two of my business acquaintances are FFL's and have been forced to shut down their businesses because the volume of gun purchases has resulted in 2-6 hour wait times for background checks. These are not gun collectors adding to their collection of 200 firearms. These are citizens worried that they won't be able to buy a gun next month or next year.

AR15 rifles are trading at a 100% to 300% premium right now, and they are nearly sold out everywhere. 30 round AR magazines are trading at 1000%+ their value two weeks ago.
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That is exactly what I am saying. Cops need to have rifles to do their jobs. A semi-auto Remington 7400 or a Colt 6920 AR15. They are the same rifle, but one looks like a hunting rifle and one looks like what the Army uses. Both can be fitted with magazines of 5-100 rounds.



I don't agree. I own both and keep the AR loaded and ready for home-defense use. If I was going to drag the rifle through the desert, jungle, swamp, or other dirty environment, I would want the AK. In a clean environment, like a patrol vehicle, I would take the AR any day. Of course, I am not loading military ball in my defensive weapons. If that were the case, I might go the other way.



I think that there is a greater chance of this than ever before. If we watch the news and listen to the political class, we would think that the citizenry was on the fence on the gun issue. The reality is that ours is a gun culture and only on the boob tube or in the minds of academia is gun control "for the people". There are so many guns being purchased right now, that the system is choked.

Two of my business acquaintances are FFL's and have been forced to shut down their businesses because the volume of gun purchases has resulted in 2-6 hour wait times for background checks. These are not gun collectors adding to their collection of 200 firearms. These are citizens worried that they won't be able to buy a gun next month or next year.


AR15 rifles are trading at a 100% to 300% premium right now, and they are nearly sold out everywhere. 30 round AR magazines are trading at 1000%+ their value two weeks ago.
.....the way it has been going here, people want to "pop"
in a senario for why you need this or that, well what about
a aircraft flying around shooting at people in the city, do we
arm the police with "SAM"'s
....

.....There is very little comparison with "FirePower" between
an AR-15 and AK-47 that was my point, and I'm not talking
about dragging it around in the jungles or swaps
....

.....you can not have volunteer security in a school
environment, simply for the fact of "Liability", what if you
engage a perp and a round from your weapon kills someone
in that school you are protecting, how would you feel after
and who is liable
...

....lastly what does this have to do with anything.....
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So who pays for those 100,000 police officers in the 100,000 schools? Isn't our party the same party that decries increased government size?
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We could very easily take it out of one of the war budgets.. either the profit wars in the middle east, or the next theater they are going for in Africa, or hell just use some of the drug war money. We never seem to run out of money for foreign excursions or foreign aid, only the shit needed for this country.

Plenty of places to get the money, if this was really about protecting the children.. which it never has been.
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.....There is very little comparison with "FirePower" between
an AR-15 and AK-47 that was my point, and I'm not talking
about dragging it around in the jungles or swaps
....
I am confused by this comment. Although the 7.62 round has more energy by about 100 foot pounds, I wouldn't go so far as to say "very little comparison". Again, I chose 5.56x45MM for my home protection. You may choose 7.62x39MM for yours.

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.....
.....you can not have volunteer security in a school
environment, simply for the fact of "Liability", what if you
engage a perp and a round from your weapon kills someone
in that school you are protecting, how would you feel after
and who is liable
...
This issue is no different for the thousands of volunteer police who patrol our country today. Also, there is a network of insurance available for said volunteer police and firefighters which is currently widely used. You are gonna need a better "what if" because the entire infrastructure already exists to implement the NRA plan.

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....lastly what does this have to do with anything.....
The price and increased trading of firearms both over the past 10 years and in the past 10 days shows that America is a gun culture. The talking heads and political class would have us believe that the majority of our countrymen are for gun restrictions (gun control is a bullshit euphemism). The reality is that our countrymen are voting with their dollars and they are buying guns.
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Amendment II (1791)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
free State
, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,
shall not be infringed.


What does it mean?
It means exactly what it says, that the people’s individual right
to be armed will be respected and that the resulting armed
populace will be secure against tyranny, invasion, and crime.
Our founding fathers were careful to construct this sentence in
such a manner that there could be no other reasonable
interpretation
besides the obvious. Anybody with even the
most limited understanding of the English language will agree.
....that I did not find in 2A, which most persons are pointing
to as there right
.....

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....that I did not find in 2A, which most persons are pointing
to as there right
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Read it from the guys who put it together.

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/89vand.pdf
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LOL.

If guns are so dangerous............
Why does Bam Bam Obama need all those Guns surrounding him ?
Secret Service can protect him just fine with a slingshot & bag full of glass marbles.

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