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Old 01-03-2013, 09:31 AM   #16
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Won't help to blame the media... it is what it is. Also, don't forget FNC is "mainstream" media as well. Look at the viewership #'s. Sooner or late pubs will have to take responsiblity and stop blaming the media... OR NOT!

I thought this was supposed to be the party of taking responsiblity, but all I ever here is the constant whining about the media. Face it, there is left wing and right wing media..always has, always will be.

Sometimes things are just what they are, and no amount of whining or crying will change it. FNC does has always done it's best to make sure that BO looks like a bad guy, but that's there job as a right wing media outlet. There job is to make left wing politicans and supporters look like shit on the daily...this will NEVER change. There is no use in left wingers ......just as it's useless for right wingers to . All attempts to change the setup are futile.
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Won't help to blame the media... it is what it is. Also, don't forget FNC is "mainstream" media as well. Look at the viewership #'s. Sooner or late pubs will have to take responsiblity and stop blaming the media... OR NOT!

I thought this was supposed to be the party of taking responsiblity, but all I ever here is the constant whining about the media. Face it, there is left wing and right wing media..always has, always will be.

Sometimes things are just what they are, and no amount of whining or crying will change it. FNC does has always done it's best to make sure that BO looks like a bad guy, but that's there job as a right wing media outlet. There job is to make left wing politicans and supporters look like shit on the daily...this will NEVER change. There is no use in left wingers ......just as it's useless for right wingers to . All attempts to change the setup are futile.
Yep. Sometimes things are just what they are, like you say. So why doesn't it get reported like it is? In this case, Senate Democrats packed the aid bill with pork and sent it to the House. And somehow, Boehner gets blamed for the lack of aid. It is what it is -- biased reporting. How about asking the Senate to put their pork in some other bill and submit the aid bill on it's own? It will pass in a heartbeat. That's all Boehner is asking.
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From everything I have read the pork that the house was upset about was money that was going to Alaska. Last I checked there is one senator from Alaska who is a democrat and one who is a republican. Both voted for the bill from what I have read. John McCain was pissed about funding for Amtrack, but withdrew his amendment when it was explained that amtrack sufferd lots of damage in the storm. But all that aside, lets not forget that every republican congress person from the northeast has come down hard on Boehner too. But they are satisfied now that Boehner has agreed to vote on $9 billion this week and the other $51 billion on the 15th. They also just happened today to voice there support for Boehner's reelection as speaker of the house.
"The legislation was packed with lardoons of federal spending of the old style. There was $150 million for fisheries in Mississippi and Alaska, $4 million for the Kennedy Space Center and $8 million for new cars for federal agencies.
In the days before perennial $1 trillion deficits, thatís how legislation was passed. Find something unobjectionable like sending aid to suffering hurricane victims and then turn it into a galleria of special-interest shopping. And, as was the case in the salad days of Washington spending, it was financed with deficit spending."





These are no longer the salad days. It's time for Washington to quit playing games. If aid is needed in the NE, make a bill and pass it on it's own. That's all I'm saying.
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"The legislation was packed with lardoons of federal spending of the old style. There was $150 million for fisheries in Mississippi and Alaska, $4 million for the Kennedy Space Center and $8 million for new cars for federal agencies.
In the days before perennial $1 trillion deficits, thatís how legislation was passed. Find something unobjectionable like sending aid to suffering hurricane victims and then turn it into a galleria of special-interest shopping. And, as was the case in the salad days of Washington spending, it was financed with deficit spending."





These are no longer the salad days. It's time for Washington to quit playing games. If aid is needed in the NE, make a bill and pass it on it's own. That's all I'm saying.
I agree completely Tex, but what you said is that the prok was pilled on by democrats....but where was the prok going???

From your own article it was going to Mississippi, Alaska, and Florida...all republican majority states. By the way the $8 million for federal agency cars was for cars that were flooded by Sandy.

Furthermore, even Eric Cantor had a plan to pass an amended bill that removed the pork and that would have passed easily, and was said to have plenty of support from the senate.

You need to stop saying the problem is only democrats...because you are only fooling yourself.

But most of all, Chris Christy and all of the Republican congressmen who said that boehner was wrong to stall this were right in saying that, and just because Boehner traded votes for his speakership for the funding does not make it better.....it makes it far worse.
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Yep. Sometimes things are just what they are, like you say. So why doesn't it get reported like it is? In this case, Senate Democrats packed the aid bill with pork and sent it to the House. And somehow, Boehner gets blamed for the lack of aid. It is what it is -- biased reporting. How about asking the Senate to put their pork in some other bill and submit the aid bill on it's own? It will pass in a heartbeat. That's all Boehner is asking.
Basically both sides are reporting to their respective audiences. Biased reporting is what the media does, why can't folks just accept that?? It's not going to change. You have right wing and left wing media. Why would anyone expect MSNBC to find favor with Bush and other Republican presidents? Why would anyone expect FNC to find favor with BO or democratic presidents? That's how it will always be. Complaining about how the media reports stuff is useless. There are plenty of media outlets out there who will tell you what you what you want to hear.
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Basically both sides are reporting to their respective audiences. Biased reporting is what the media does, why can't folks just accept that?? It's not going to change. You have right wing and left wing media. Why would anyone expect MSNBC to find favor with Bush and other Republican presidents? Why would anyone expect FNC to find favor with BO or democratic presidents? That's how it will always be. Complaining about how the media reports stuff is useless. There are plenty of media outlets out there who will tell you what you what you want to hear.
Here is what we have, and the obvious problem that Conservatives see, and Liberals deny.

LEFT WING MEDIA ------ RIGHT WING MEDIA

And the libs are apoplectic that the little right wing media even has a voice at all. They frequently call for legislation that would silence talk radio because no one wants to listen to left wing talk radio.
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Here is what we have, and the obvious problem that Conservatives see, and Liberals deny.

LEFT WING MEDIA ------ RIGHT WING MEDIA
I'm not a liberal or conservative, but I hear conservatives whining a great deal more about the media, as compared to liberals. FNC boast the biggest viewership on cable news for over the past decade, so why they bitch so much is just amazing to me. So who's in denial??
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I'm not a liberal or conservative, but I hear conservatives whining a great deal more about the media, as compared to liberals. FNC boast the biggest viewership on cable news for over the past decade, so why they bitch so much is just amazing to me. So who's in denial??
And even by Tex's own admission there is no left wing talk radio. So Fox who also controls a lot of news papers and has the highest viewership on cable, is decidedly right leaning. And the right controls the radio waves. So why are they always bitching about the liberal media???

And in this thread, it was not the media calling Boehner out...it was a Republican governor and the Republican congressmen of the notheast. No media spun stories here just bitching from the inside. yet somhow it's the medias fault.
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And even by Tex's own admission there is no left wing talk radio. So Fox who also controls a lot of news papers and has the highest viewership on cable, is decidedly right leaning. And the right controls the radio waves. So why are they always bitching about the liberal media???

And in this thread, it was not the media calling Boehner out...it was a Republican governor and the Republican congressmen of the notheast. No media spun stories here just bitching from the inside. yet somhow it's the medias fault.
...and not only do the Murdoch's control right wing media in the states, but in the U.K. as well. I've been watching FNC for a long time, and once they started shouting "biased liberal media" from the hill tops a hundred x's a day, only then did you hear your average conservative mention it. Now you can't even have a conversation with a conservative without them mentioning the "evil liberal media".

My first question for conservatives would be, why in the hell do you listen to what the liberal media puts out?? You know that from jump street, you're going to disagree with whatever is said or written. So why not just stick to watching FNC and submitting links from right wing media outlets??
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I'm not a liberal or conservative, but I hear conservatives whining a great deal more about the media, as compared to liberals. FNC boast the biggest viewership on cable news for over the past decade, so why they bitch so much is just amazing to me. So who's in denial??
Cable viewership.. Conservatives don't have the benefit of ABCNBCCBS on broadcast news furthering our agenda, not to mention Hollywood, Social Media, etc.
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Cable viewership.. Conservatives don't have the benefit of ABCNBCCBS on broadcast news furthering our agenda, not to mention Hollywood, Social Media, etc.
I haven't known anyone for years who doesn't have cable..
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I haven't known anyone for years who doesn't have cable..
1 channel vs 6. Simple math..
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Cable viewership.. Conservatives don't have the benefit of ABCNBCCBS on broadcast news furthering our agenda, not to mention Hollywood, Social Media, etc.
And the liberal side doesn't have religion to raise your children by. Frankly I think what hurts conservatives is there willingness to bring up politics at every social business or religious function. It turns people off and makes them resent us. It tunes them out to the message just like preaching religion turns lots of people off.
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1 channel vs 6. Simple math..
simple math... FNC has a much larger viewship than all 6 combined! At least this is there disclaimer, So......
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And the liberal side doesn't have religion to raise your children by. Frankly I think what hurts conservatives is there willingness to bring up politics at every social business or religious function. It turns people off and makes them resent us. It tunes them out to the message just like preaching religion turns lots of people off.
FNC often finds itself delving into the business of religion. There's a reason why the "religious" make less money and are less educated. More and more people are ditching organized religion as they learn more about the origins of it, and really open their eyes to what it is used for.
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