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Old 01-04-2013, 07:05 PM   #16
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I call bullshit on this. Sandy was a CATEGORY 1. Katarina was a 5. Andrew was a 5. Heck Ike was a Cat 2 when it hit Texas.

That's fourth place of the top of my fucking head.

And the storm surge? 12-15 feet not even close to tops

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/surge/

Katrina was 24-28 feet twice Sandy.

The only thing you got right was it hit the most populated densest economic area of the country.

What makes Sandy so devastating wasn't the sheer power of it (it's category) but the size of it. Compare the size of Sandy with those other storms. Sandy easily two to three times the size of those other storms.

It's not force behind it but rather area covered that made it a terrible storm.

Either way; arguing over how strong a storm is irrelevant. They're all still tragedies that took peoples lives, homes, and businesses away.
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Canīt we just get along here. The fact is Sandy may not have been the strongest but because of itīs size,and where it hit and the fact it stayed way to long resulted in massive damage the likes of we havenīt seen in forvever. And congress FOR WHATEVER REASON delayed help when it is so desperatly needed is just unacceptable. The fact is that congress is playing politics with this countries future and were going down the tubes while congress fiddles.
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I just wonder how many members here have seen the film "Lincoln?" While there are a few historical extrapolations the bulk of the movie is an accurate account of the controversial passing of the 13th Amendment. This occured in 1865...almost 150 years ago! If you think the bickering which has been happening recently in our Congress is new go see this movie and then post up your thoughts.
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According to this story out Today in the NewYork Daily news, John Boehner did not hold up the funding for huricane Sandy relief due to pork in the bill, or a concern for the national debt or even to slow down and consider the bill.

It seems that Mr Boehner did this as a gotcha to his second in comand for not backing Boehners Plan "B" fiscal cliff deal.

Here is a brief quote from that article....

But sources told the Daily News that Boehner pulled the package from consideration as retaliation against Cantor for opposing the "fiscal cliff" compromise that the House passed on Tuesday.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...#ixzz2H2VGtx69


This is the most disgusting case of childishness I have ever seen in congress. To disrupt the economy of the largest metropolitan area in the country and the trillions of dollars in GDP that this area generates every year, not to mention all the people suffering just to show a guy in your same party who is boss.....is just to stupid for words.

Now of course Boehner has said that it is not true about his problems with Cantor....but of course the next day he promised to pass $9 billion of the $60 billion bill today, which it did and the balance on the 15th. No cuts. No pork removed. No panel empowered to review the bill. Just a lesson for Mr. Cantor at the expense of the American people.

I for one will be contributing heavily to anyone who ever runs against John Boehner....and I believe that many wealthy NJ and NY businessmen will be sending money to his adversaries too.
you only need to read the parts high lighted in red , the first few lines to know the storys 100% liberal B.S. POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, spin doctor CRAP... these are the same jerks that support limiting access to soft drinks over 12 oz in size , and want the government controlling the fat content in your french fries, and limit you to minimal fast food purchases, I won,t even get into TAXES
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I don't understand why those people need Federal tax funds to rebuild. If my house blows down or burns down or floods no one gives me any Federal funds to rebuild. If I'm not insured I'm just shit out of luck...
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I don't understand why those people need Federal tax funds to rebuild. If my house blows down or burns down or floods no one gives me any Federal funds to rebuild. If I'm not insured I'm just shit out of luck...

SEE! you just don,t have the politically correct political liberal nanny state should handle all DECISIONS ,mind set ... that automatically assumes everyone BUT YOU is OBVIOUSLY at fault! and EVERYONE but you! who,s obviously at fault should be made to pay for your lack of personal responsibility.
under no conditions should ANYONE but the government be able to think ahead, or have planed for ANY potential problem,or have insurance, or maybe had the least bit of thought to go into the placement or construction of your home,or the need to carry insurance even if you are a totally clueless moron!
after all who could foresee having a hurricane damage homes on the beach, or just a bit inland from the beach, just because its happened several hundred times in different areas before



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s#18th_century

THE MERE MENTION OF THE IDEA, THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE responsible FOR THEIR own property, or HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR own actions , OR CAN BE TRUSTED TO MAKE ANY DECISION AFFECTING THEIR own LIVES IS ABHORRENT TO THE LIBERAL MIND, NOW I,M NOT SAYING GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT HELP CLEAR ROADS, QUICKLY RESTORE UTILITY,S OR FINANCE VERY LOW COST REBUILDING LOANS, OR SUPPLY EMERGENCY CARE, BUT TO TOTALLY RELY ON THE GOVERNMENT ALONE AFTER A DISASTER TO MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER IS ABSURD
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I just wonder how many members here have seen the film "Lincoln?" While there are a few historical extrapolations the bulk of the movie is an accurate account of the controversial passing of the 13th Amendment. This occured in 1865...almost 150 years ago! If you think the bickering which has been happening recently in our Congress is new go see this movie and then post up your thoughts.
I saw the movie,and am a uncivil war buff,there was NOTHING civil about that war. The movies pertrail of events is accurate to a point. It does take a lot of liberites with the day to day interaction of all the parties. But with respect to the infighting that accured between Lincoln and the congress thats pretty accurate.
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I don't understand why those people need Federal tax funds to rebuild. If my house blows down or burns down or floods no one gives me any Federal funds to rebuild. If I'm not insured I'm just shit out of luck...
Because this is a backwards world. If you build on solid ground your screwed. If you build at or below sea level, then you have to expect me and others to pay for your complete screwup.
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Yea right..I can see it now. Obama announces "too bad, so sad" to business victims of Sandy. Right. Everyone ALREADY thinks he is "anti-business."

How many of you business owners have enough in the bank to completely rebuild everything your business has...or has the proper insurance to cover every penny of it (assuming the insurance won't find a creative way to NOT pay)?
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SEE! you just don,t have the politically correct political liberal nanny state should handle all DECISIONS ,mind set ... that automatically assumes everyone BUT YOU is OBVIOUSLY at fault! and EVERYONE but you! who,s obviously at fault should be made to pay for your lack of personal responsibility.
under no conditions should ANYONE but the government be able to think ahead, or have planed for ANY potential problem,or have insurance, or maybe had the least bit of thought to go into the placement or construction of your home,or the need to carry insurance even if you are a totally clueless moron!
after all who could foresee having a hurricane damage homes on the beach, or just a bit inland from the beach, just because its happened several hundred times in different areas before



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s#18th_century

THE MERE MENTION OF THE IDEA, THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE responsible FOR THEIR own property, or HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR own actions , OR CAN BE TRUSTED TO MAKE ANY DECISION AFFECTING THEIR own LIVES IS ABHORRENT TO THE LIBERAL MIND, NOW I,M NOT SAYING GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT HELP CLEAR ROADS, QUICKLY RESTORE UTILITY,S OR FINANCE VERY LOW COST REBUILDING LOANS, OR SUPPLY EMERGENCY CARE, BUT TO TOTALLY RELY ON THE GOVERNMENT ALONE AFTER A DISASTER TO MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER IS ABSURD
I guess this statement should also pertain to all those who live in the mid-western and southern states where there are tornados...maybe they should move out of where they live since there have been hundreds of tornados which have caused billions of dollars of damage...and the government did not help them ever.
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I live in SOUTH FLORIDA where we get hit every few years with hurricanes THATS WHY YOU CARRY INSURANCE, AND YES I,VE LOST PARTIAL ROOFS, WINDOWS INTERIOR FURNISHINGS,ETC IVE HAD INSURANCE REPLACE THINGS BUT NEVER SEEN GOVERNMENT DO ANYTHING BUT CLEAR THE ROADS AND GET UTILITY S back in service, do ANDREW, ISSAC, seem like familiar names
we get hit hard about once or twice every 10-12 years its just part of living in florida

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I live in SOUTH FLORIDA where we get hit every few years with hurricanes THATS WHY YOU CARRY INSURANCE, AND YES I,VE LOST PARTIAL ROOFS, WINDOWS INTERIOR FURNISHINGS,ETC IVE HAD INSURANCE REPLACE THINGS BUT NEVER SEEN GOVERNMENT DO ANYTHING BUT CLEAR THE ROADS AND GET UTILITY S back in service, do ANDREW, ISSAC, seem like familiar names
we get hit hard about once or twice every 10-12 years its just part of living in florida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...2%80%931999%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...0%93present%29



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Yes and everytime you get hit by a huricane there is a federal disaster aid bill passed to help pay for the damage. Why is it so hard to do the same for an area that gets hit once in a hundred years????
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I call bullshit on this. Sandy was a CATEGORY 1. Katarina was a 5. Andrew was a 5. Heck Ike was a Cat 2 when it hit Texas.

That's fourth place of the top of my fucking head.

And the storm surge? 12-15 feet not even close to tops

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/surge/

Katrina was 24-28 feet twice Sandy.

The only thing you got right was it hit the most populated densest economic area of the country.
I can understand your confusion over this. I too was very surprised when I read this. But sandy recorded the lowest barometric preasure ever recorded. Sandy was a huge storm over 1000 miles wide. It was a hybrid storm which is why it was called a supperstorm. It started as a regular huricane with a warm core but morphed into a nor-easter with a cold core as it hit the area. The strength is calculated by a formula which I am not familiar with but it measures the total energy released by the storm, and due to the size duration and intensity, it ranked 2nd in strength. Isabel in 2003 was #1.


Link to story about it...

http://news.yahoo.com/hurricane-sand...144245618.html

Regardless of the rank though it is rediculous that Boehner played political games with this bill. He should be removed as speaker. He has become too self centered and does not care for the good of the party or the country.

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