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Old 01-31-2013, 06:00 PM   #166
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Oh Look what I just found!!!!


Amnesty Will Not Draw Hispanics to the GOP

3rd paragraph -
Personally, I believe that conservatives should stand for principles over what they think will win the next election. However, even from a purely electoral perspective,
supporting amnesty will not win the GOP any
Hispanic voters.

4th paragraph -
In the latest issue of the academic journal Social Science Quarterly, political scientist George Hawley compared Republicans voting records on immigration (calculated
by the limited immigration group Numbers USA) and
their performance among Hispanics. He found absolutely
no relation between support for liberal immigration
policy and support among Hispanics.


Writing in the National Journal, Michael Catalini argues
that Hispanic opposition to the Republican Party
“is rooted in the GOP’s skeptical view of government”
He notes that, “The Republican Party calls for smaller government, but many Latinos look to government
assistance as a necessity. Forty-two percent of
Hispanic voters say that a government job offers
the best chance of gaining career success,
compared to only one-third of white voters.”


A Pew Hispanic Center poll found that
75% of Hispanics “would rather have a bigger
government providing more services than a smaller government with fewer services” compared to
only 41% of the general population.


While passing an amnesty will not make Hispanics
vote Republican, it will create millions of new
Hispanic voters who will then vote Democratic.
http://townhall.com/columnists/tomta...e-gop-n1502064
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So you're a Libertarian.
Oh hell no he aint...


He is a Romney Republican.. big government is fine as long as it's his version.. To hell with the constitution.

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Well when your beat the only possible response is to call names......
You really are a democrat, there is no way a republican could be as blatantly hypocritical. Remember it was me who stood up for your ass the last time you went to BannedCamp for name calling...
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Oh Look what I just found!!!!


Amnesty Will Not Draw Hispanics to the GOP

3rd paragraph -
Personally, I believe that conservatives should stand for principles over what they think will win the next election. However, even from a purely electoral perspective,
supporting amnesty will not win the GOP any
Hispanic voters.

4th paragraph -
In the latest issue of the academic journal Social Science Quarterly, political scientist George Hawley compared Republicans voting records on immigration (calculated
by the limited immigration group Numbers USA) and
their performance among Hispanics. He found absolutely
no relation between support for liberal immigration
policy and support among Hispanics.


Writing in the National Journal, Michael Catalini argues
that Hispanic opposition to the Republican Party
“is rooted in the GOP’s skeptical view of government”
He notes that, “The Republican Party calls for smaller government, but many Latinos look to government
assistance as a necessity. Forty-two percent of
Hispanic voters say that a government job offers
the best chance of gaining career success,
compared to only one-third of white voters.”


A Pew Hispanic Center poll found that
75% of Hispanics “would rather have a bigger
government providing more services than a smaller government with fewer services” compared to
only 41% of the general population.


While passing an amnesty will not make Hispanics
vote Republican, it will create millions of new
Hispanic voters who will then vote Democratic.
http://townhall.com/columnists/tomta...e-gop-n1502064
Correct, it did not help the GOP when Reagen did it. Fun fact though, had Romney drawn the same percentage of Black, Hispanic and Asian voters that GW Bush did, he would have collected over 400 electoral votes and won.
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I think we already covered that. One bill will not affect the Hispanic vote. It will take time and a real change of attitude in the Republican Party. But it is the right thing to do to be a part of a solution to the illegal alien problem. That would start with a significant closing of the borders and a path to citizenship for most of those already here. If you dont care about real solutions - just race baiting and angry cheeleading, just keep doing what we're doing. The problem will not go away by yelling xenophobic slurs.
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Wholy Shit Guys.
Throwing crap all around all day long again at each other while I was at work ?
Thought everyone would have moved on by now.

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Correct, it did not help the GOP when Reagen did it. Fun fact though, had Romney drawn the same percentage of Black, Hispanic and Asian voters that GW Bush did, he would have collected over 400 electoral votes and won.
No, I don't believe he would have, based on what I
posted earlier today in this thread.
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More data shows that the Hispanic vote was
not a factor in Wisconsin, Iowa or New Hampshire.
Obama could have still won Ohio with as little as
22 percent of the Hispanic vote, and in Virginia, where he actually received 64 percent of the Hispanic vote,
he could have carried the state with just over 33%.

In other words, the Hispanic vote did not influence
the battleground states.
In Pennsylvania , Obama received an estimated 80%
of the Hispanic vote.
He could have still carried the state with just over
37 percent. In other words, if you were to
have given Romney 63% of the Hispanic vote
in P.A., Obama would still have won P.A..
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Wholy Shit Guys.
Throwing crap all around all day long again at each other while I was at work ?
Thought everyone would have moved on by now.

Don't be hatin' cause we have internet access at work.
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I think we already covered that. One bill will not affect the Hispanic vote. It will take time and a real change of attitude in the Republican Party. But it is the right thing to do to be a part of a solution to the illegal alien problem. That would start with a significant closing of the borders and a path to citizenship for most of those already here. If you dont care about real solutions - just race baiting and angry cheeleading, just keep doing what we're doing. The problem will not go away by yelling xenophobic slurs.
The problem is, you cannot really come up with an instance of any of that crap happening. This is called brainwashing, you've been brainwashed into believing the right is knuckle-dragging racist, by a bunch of lying POS media and democrats.

Free your mind and look at the reality.

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No, I don't believe he would have, based on what I
posted earlier today in this thread.
I will copy & paste the main portion below -
It's true. Had Romney garnered the same percentage of the black, hispanic and asian vote as GW did, he wins with over 400 electoral votes.
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Back on topic.
It would appear that the prostitution accusation may not
be the only problem this senator has.

Sen. Menendez Pushed 'Windfall' for Melgen in
Dominican Port Security Deal

Thu, 01/31/2013 - 20:10

Ever since the allegations first made in November that Dominican-born eye doctor Salomon Melgen provided
prostitutes for Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ),
a favor that appeared to be gravy on top of his large
campaign contributions, the obvious question for us
has been, "What has Menendez done for Melgen?"

We believe that we have answer. After an extensive
review of publicly available documents that link the
two men, the answer relates to unusual actions on
behalf of a port security company known as ICSSI.

Ray Hernandez and Frances Robles detail in a
New York Times story how Menendez sought to
help ICSSI "in ways that could bring the doctor a
highly lucrative windfall." From the article:

Two years ago, Dr. Melgen, despite an apparent
lack of experience in border security issues, bought
an ownership interest in a company that had a
long-dormant contract with the Dominican Republic
to provide port security. Mr. Menendez, who is
chairman of the Senate subcommittee that holds
sway over the Dominican Republic, subsequently
urged officials in the State and Commerce Departments
to intervene so the contract would be enforced,
at an estimated value of $500 million.

Menendez even convened a special hearing on
the matter. Although he was the only Senator
present, it had the full force of a Senate hearing.
He dragged administration officials up to the Hill for questioning about why the deal had not gone through.
The New York Times quotes Menendez:

"You have another company that has American
investors that is seeking to - has a contract actually
given to it by the - kind of ratified by the Dominican
Congress to do X-ray of all of the cargo that goes
through the ports, which have been problematic
and for which in the past narcotics have been included
in those cargo," the senator said at the hearing,
according to a transcript provided by the National
Legal and Policy Center, a government watchdog group.

Also from the article:

...Ken Boehm, the chairman of the government
watchdog group, called the actions troubling.

"At a minimum, the public is entitled to know more
about this relationship," Mr. Boehm said. "It's a matter
of transparency and accountability."

The New York Times article was posted online this
evening and will likely be published in tomorrow's
print edition. As interesting as some of the details
of the previous allegations have been, the real
scandal is the appearance that a U.S. Senator tried
to help a donor make a lot of money at the same time
the donor was pouring hundreds of thousand into the campaigns of Menendez and his allies.
The New York Times provides a good overview
of the situation but there are several aspects of the
Menendez-Melgen relationship that deserve much more scrutiny.
http://nlpc.org/stories/2013/01/31/s...-security-deal
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Don't be hatin' cause we have internet access at work.
Yeah, Your right, I am envious of you guys with desk jobs & smart phones & your the BOSS TOO.

Couldn't post here on DC 8-4 anyhow, old Italian boss of mine gets mad when I TX the wife while waiting for parts to fix the damn car or truck in front of me.
Learned to say "WHAT" ! ?" Shakes his head & walks away.

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Yeah, Your right, I am envious of you guys with desk jobs & smart phones & your the BOSS TOO.

Couldn't post here on DC 8-4 anyhow, old Italian boss of mine gets mad when I TX the wife while waiting for parts to fix the damn car or truck in front of me.
Learned to say "WHAT" ! ?" Shakes his head & walks away.

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don't have a desk job and I don't know how smart my phone is...it's smarter than me, but that don't make it smart.
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don't have a desk job and I don't know how smart my phone is...it's smarter than me, but that don't make it smart.
Naaa, Smartphone can not debate, talk politics, trash talk, Make up Metaphors, crack jokes at will to make you laugh & others.

You Win.

Smartphone Loses.

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The problem is that we didn't lose by hundreds of thousands, we lost by millions. You just cannot win by going further right.
And the mexican vote is not what we are after...it's the hispanic vote...but as long as you demonize the Mexicans you piss off the hispanics and they are the fastest growing demographic in the country.
Alot can happen in the next 4 years Machine.
For the worse.
For the Better of all.
Stuck with Bam Bam bama.

Steering to the left lane of the highway at 145 mph in your 1966 Big Block 427 Corvette Roadster with a Mack Semi in left lane pulling a trailer loaded down to 100,000 lbs moving at 70 MPH.
Hold the left lane & punch it to 160mph.
Let that Big Block Chevy sing at 7,000 K rpms.

Now who is going to win the game of Chicken ?
You were on the right side of the highway alive & well, veered left to see if what the fuck if the Semi in the opposite lane was really present or not.
About 1.8 seconds later, you find out the truth.

In other words, kicking the wrong dicks in the dirt.

I am done for the night.
Keep my mouth closed again.
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You know, I have to commend you guys. I never really knew of a news bias and would have never thought that one would exist until I actually started paying attention to what was being said on the various channels. I grew up watching Walter Cronkite and thought that news was reported as just that, news. I don't know how but I completely slept through the era where news became opinion based and agenda driven. Had I not ventured into the news room and actually attempted to understand what the hell you guys were always fighting about, I would still be in the dark. Trust me though, it took me quite a while to get past the first page of any thread you guys started.

Keep in mind that if we ever get together for one of my 'slab of cow' grillin' sessions, you will end up on the grill if you ever mention one word about politics.
I just busted out laughing in my bedroom reading this. I have been away a couple a months and was doing catch up reading. It was like deja vu!
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I just busted out laughing in my bedroom reading this. I have been away a couple a months and was doing catch up reading. It was like deja vu!
Some things just never change.
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