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Old 02-12-2013, 11:31 AM   #16
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....sorry but I think he's a jerk when it comes to this...

.... firstly..thank you for your service....,

...Enlisted....Regular Army....

...secondly I look at from a different stand point I chose
to go Vietnam (being the only son, your not required to
serve in combat) it was some inner value that takes control
of you and gives you strength to answer that calling, my
personal view was if you are consensus objector you shouldn't
be made to fight, I personally would not want someone with
that belief in a foxhole next to me, I value my life and the
other men around me...
I'm proud of all the men who fought in Vietnam, whether they chose to or not. I appreciate the courage it takes to go into battle. When it's time to go into battle, no one cares about the righteousness of the war. You all did your duty, and that's all anyone can ask. But the politicians let the war go on for a decade too long simply because they couldn't find a way to get out and save face. IMO, at least 40,000 men died needlessly. 40 years later, I don't hold it against anyone who found a legal way to avoid that mess.
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I am glad I didn't have to go to Vietnam (draft no.202 not called up that year),I am thankful for all those who were willing to go, that took some serious guts to go there and put up with all the crap the common soldier had to go thru from our government and their "wisdom".
A good friend of mine went to Vietnam as a conscientious objector, he refused to carry a gun but still went to war. When he first met his Sargent, the Sarge. said; "another soldier who got religion so he wouldn't have to fight for his country". The soldier replied; "I'll walk in front of you everywhere you go in the jungle and carry your radio, or what ever but I will not carry a gun". Through his whole stay in Vietnam he walked in front of his sarge and somehow was never wounded. That took some guts.
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I am glad I didn't have to go to Vietnam (draft no.202 not called up that year),I am thankful for all those who were willing to go, that took some serious guts to go there and put up with all the crap the common soldier had to go thru from our government and their "wisdom".
A good friend of mine went to Vietnam as a conscientious objector, he refused to carry a gun but still went to war. When he first met his Sargent, the Sarge. said; "another soldier who got religion so he wouldn't have to fight for his country". The soldier replied; "I'll walk in front of you everywhere you go in the jungle and carry your radio, or what ever but I will not carry a gun". Through his whole stay in Vietnam he walked in front of his sarge and somehow was never wounded. That took some guts.
Man what was his beef with a gun? Did he not realize the e didn't give a rats ass about his morals. Possibly a really nice guy but something damn sure wasn't ticking upstairs or he had a death wish. God must have been really in his corner.

I think a lot of people who never served act like if they had been called they would have stepped right up. The truth is you really don't know how you would act. I saw many bawling their eyes out when they were getting shipped to Iraq. Before that day they spoke tough too. Right up until they reached the ship. They never considered actually having to go fight. They just saw bonus for signing up and free education. Guess they missed the part where your joining the military.

I thank all of our service men. And I see more than the average on my job. At least once a week I meet several doing funeral duty. Any American who doesn't, obviously has a learning disability and has no clue what they do and have done. Thanks again.
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They can take my guns when they pry them from my dead fingers- which would be after I run out of ammo and die in a pile of brass...
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I am glad I didn't have to go to Vietnam (draft no.202 not called up that year),I am thankful for all those who were willing to go, that took some serious guts to go there and put up with all the crap the common soldier had to go thru from our government and their "wisdom".
A good friend of mine went to Vietnam as a conscientious objector, he refused to carry a gun but still went to war. When he first met his Sargent, the Sarge. said; "another soldier who got religion so he wouldn't have to fight for his country". The soldier replied; "I'll walk in front of you everywhere you go in the jungle and carry your radio, or what ever but I will not carry a gun". Through his whole stay in Vietnam he walked in front of his sarge and somehow was never wounded. That took some guts.
....the problem I see with this is, in the time of need when
fire power is expected to suppress the enemy and you come
up short handed when that one extra rifle could be the
difference between life and death and your forcing other
members to protect your life but your not willing to
protect theirs.....Go To Canada....my honest feelings


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Springsteen avoided the draft, let's get him & Ted to serve in Afghanistan. At least in a USO show and see who gets the biggest cheers.
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Springsteen avoided the draft, let's get him & Ted to serve in Afghanistan. At least in a USO show and see who gets the biggest cheers.
...equal condemnation.....

...but Springsteen has not bragged
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...equal condemnation.....

...but Springsteen has not bragged



You know it's all bullshit, bravado and sales schtick. Would you want either of those draft dodgers sharing your foxhole? Back then draft dodgers were considered heros and being a long haired gas station sink shitter was considered cool. Especially if you were one of the Gabacho's who went to Canadia! Now days with the all volunteer military, the first gulf war and the last ten years of conflict our young men and women in service are viewed in a higher light and maybe now the fake hero's of the sixties and seventies will be seen for what they were / are. I went in the Army in 81 fully expecting to go to war with Russia.

Thanks for pointing out Ted's reason for over compensating, I see him in a different light now.

When you go to your VFW be sure to use the urinals with Jane Fonda's face in the bullseye.
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....the problem I see with this is, in the time of need when
fire power is expected to suppress the enemy and you come
up short handed when that one extra rifle could be the
difference between life and death and your forcing other
members to protect your life but your not willing to
protect theirs.....Go To Canada....my honest feelings




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You know it's all bullshit, bravado and sales schtick. Would you want either of those draft dodgers sharing your foxhole? Back then draft dodgers were considered heros and being a long haired gas station sink shitter was considered cool. Especially if you were one of the Gabacho's who went to Canadia! Now days with the all volunteer military, the first gulf war and the last ten years of conflict our young men and women in service are viewed in a higher light and maybe now the fake hero's of the sixties and seventies will be seen for what they were / are. I went in the Army in 81 fully expecting to go to war with Russia.

Thanks for pointing out Ted's reason for over compensating, I see him in a different light now.

When you go to your VFW be sure to use the urinals with Jane Fonda's face in the bullseye.
....before or after "Barbarella"....
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....before or after "Barbarella"....
Was "Barbarella" before or after "Cat Ballou"? Oh the heck with it......just piss in her face and like it! Give her a "Golden Pond"...
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I would like to thank all of those who served.

Ted may be a pile for not serving but if his alleged intestinal dysfunction is anything like what I have, the military blocks you from serving.

I am trying desperately to obtain a waiver and reenlist. Its disheartening since the military may have been the cause of my problems and they won't let me reenlist because of it.
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I would like to thank all of those who served.

Ted may be a pile for not serving but if his alleged intestinal dysfunction is anything like what I have, the military blocks you from serving.

I am trying desperately to obtain a waiver and reenlist. Its disheartening since the military may have been the cause of my problems and they won't let me reenlist because of it.
....I hope you find an open avenue for your re-enlistment, my
feelings are you have to find the right contact, but if all else
fails make sure you file a claim thru the VA for your condition...

....but unlike everyday "joes" the elite have many options
open too them given their background and connections, I
have never heard of a high profile person taking enemy
fire or put in direct harms way...
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I have never heard of a high profile person taking enemy
fire or put in direct harms way...
How about Prince Harry and Prince William? Both served in Afghanistan, and at least some of their activity involved combat.
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