Imagine a July 4 Surprise

[Z0607]

Imagine a July 4 attack by Israel on Iran. Imagine further that the attack results in the price of oil rising to $200+/bbl. and disrupts the world's economic recovery. Indeed, the wiff of gunpowder is already in the air.

Would Obama's reelection chances be destroyed by a new economic upheaval or would the US rally around the Commander in Chief in a time of crisis and reelect him?

Would the result be different if it were an October surprise?

What say you, Digital Corvettes?

[Texdentist]

To answer the question directly, IF there was a true national crisis, I think Americans would rally around the president. They always have in the past.

But....I don't think an Israeli attack on Iran would cause oil to go to $200. Their oil is not that important, and I don't think Iran could close the Strait of Hormuz for long. Oil will be high regardless by summer, and I think Obama will take a hit for that. He gambled that pandering to the environmentalists on the Keystone Pipeline would not cause him to pay too high a price in November. High oil could cause him to lose that gamble. Everyone knows that the Keystone will eventually be approved. It was pure politics to put it off until 2013. In spite of it all, I think Obama has a very good chance at reelection. The GOP is having a round robin shoot-your-own-foot primary season.

[ArKay99]

Originally Posted by Z0607

Imagine a July 4 attack by Israel on Iran. Imagine further that the attack results in the price of oil rising to $200+/bbl. and disrupts the world's economic recovery. Indeed, the wiff of gunpowder is already in the air.

Would Obama's reelection chances be destroyed by a new economic upheaval or would the US rally around the Commander in Chief in a time of crisis and reelect him?

Would the result be different if it were an October surprise?

What say you, Digital Corvettes?

I think if that happens, the hand of God will come down and smite him.

[vfpreacher]

Reelection, for me -is absolutely out of the question. He could become a born again, full blown republican -and it would not outweigh the damage he has done to this country.

Now, let me ask you a couple of questions. When did it become OK for this president to assassinate American citizens on foreign soil ?

When did it become OK for this president to hold "freedom fighters" indefinitely and without trial, in a foreign prison ?

-And finally, when did it become OK for this president to attack a foreign nation without congressional approval ?

Just curious -Did it become OK the day after Bush was out office... ?

[ArKay99]

Originally Posted by vfpreacher

Reelection, for me -is absolutely out of the question. He could become a born again, full blown republican -and it would not outweigh the damage he has done to this country.

Now, let me ask you a couple of questions. When did it become OK for this president to assassinate American citizens on foreign soil ?

When did it become OK for this president to hold "freedom fighters" indefinitely and without trial, in a foreign prison ?

-And finally, when did it become OK for this president to attack a foreign nation without congressional approval ?

Just curious -Did it become OK the day after Bush was out office... ?

It became ok when he became "the first to fire more cruise missles than all the Nobel Peace Prize winners in history combined"...

There are other reasons...mostly attached to the source of that quote...

His pathway has been illuminated for him by MediaMatters...interesting to note that MediaMatters is a largely Soros supported entity...tax exempt too!

Notice how, even with Iran, Syria, and Israel he's picking 'winners and losers'?

Further note how the sheeple flock and fawn to his defense and support?

I suspect that Israel will be held at bay until OBama needs another crisis, perhaps in October when he will reserve the right to invade Iran...to take focus, credit, and adulation.

[Texdentist]

Originally Posted by vfpreacher

Reelection, for me -is absolutely out of the question. He could become a born again, full blown republican -and it would not outweigh the damage he has done to this country.

Now, let me ask you a couple of questions. When did it become OK for this president to assassinate American citizens on foreign soil ?

When did it become OK for this president to hold "freedom fighters" indefinitely and without trial, in a foreign prison ?

-And finally, when did it become OK for this president to attack a foreign nation without congressional approval ?

Just curious -Did it become OK the day after Bush was out office... ?

Unfortunately for us, none of that matters. His approval rating is bumping the 50% territory again for some unimaginable reason. This cat seems to have nine lives.

[vfpreacher]

I simply do not believe the numbers.

[HardcoreABN]

hell, I still know people who insist Bush increased the national debt and had budget deficits 10x what Obama has. Some people, even when proof is before them, will still be a sheeple.

[Texdentist]

Originally Posted by vfpreacher

I simply do not believe the numbers.

As I've said several times - I hope you're right - but if the GOP can't post up a decent candidate, we're all screwed. If Santorum keeps it up and gets the nomination, it's all over. Independents will run like the wind from him. Overt religiosity helps in the primaries and is a killer in the general.

[ArKay99]

Originally Posted by Texdentist

As I've said several times - I hope you're right - but if the GOP can't post up a decent candidate, we're all screwed. If Santorum keeps it up and gets the nomination, it's all over. Independents will run like the wind from him. Overt religiosity helps in the primaries and is a killer in the general.

They've left the building since Iowa...

[Wing]

Originally Posted by Texdentist

To answer the question directly, IF there was a true national crisis, I think Americans would rally around the president. They always have in the past.

But....I don't think an Israeli attack on Iran would cause oil to go to $200. Their oil is not that important, and I don't think Iran could close the Strait of Hormuz for long. Oil will be high regardless by summer, and I think Obama will take a hit for that. He gambled that pandering to the environmentalists on the Keystone Pipeline would not cause him to pay too high a price in November. High oil could cause him to lose that gamble. Everyone knows that the Keystone will eventually be approved. It was pure politics to put it off until 2013. In spite of it all, I think Obama has a very good chance at reelection. The GOP is having a round robin shoot-your-own-foot primary season.

They wont shut down the straights for more then an hour or so at most.
Our Navy is totally ready to keep it open.

[Z0607]

Before the US invasion of Iraq the price of crude was $25 and the price of crude on the 10 year futures market was $25.

Then the US started a war over non-existent WMD and the price shot up year after year until it hit a peak in the last year of the Bush administration of $91.48 (average for the year 2008 (over $140 intra day top))

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/i...ices_table.asp

You all seem convinced that doubling the price of crude is not possible but the price of US crude is $106 and Bent crude is $124 just from speculators betting on the calls for war in Iran.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industrie...ollar-weakens/

Please note the fundamentals of supply demand are not driving the price increase:

Data from the American Petroleum Institute on Wednesday showed crude stockpiles rose by 3.6 million barrels in the week to Feb. 17, well in excess of analysts' expectations for a 500,000 barrel build.

Domestic production which had fallen during the George W. Bush years, has increased steadily during the administration of that Kenyan, socialist, cocaine using, marxist, gay fellow.

[HardcoreABN]

Originally Posted by Z0607

Before the US invasion of Iraq the price of crude was $25 and the price of crude on the 10 year futures market was $25.

Then the US started a war over non-existent WMD and the price shot up year after year until it hit a peak in the last year of the Bush administration of $91.48 (average for the year 2008 (over $140 intra day top))

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/i...ices_table.asp

You all seem convinced that doubling the price of crude is not possible but the price of US crude is $106 and Bent crude is $124 just from speculators betting on the calls for war in Iran.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industrie...ollar-weakens/

Please note the fundamentals of supply demand are not driving the price increase:

Data from the American Petroleum Institute on Wednesday showed crude stockpiles rose by 3.6 million barrels in the week to Feb. 17, well in excess of analysts' expectations for a 500,000 barrel build.

Domestic production which had fallen during the George W. Bush years, has increased steadily during the administration of that Kenyan, socialist, cocaine using, marxist, gay fellow.

you do realize it takes 5-10 years for a new oil well to come online and begin production....

[Z0607]

Be careful about the Iran war that you wish for... ... ...

[Texdentist]

Originally Posted by Z0607

Domestic production which had fallen during the George W. Bush years, has increased steadily during the administration of that Kenyan, socialist, cocaine using, marxist, gay fellow.

And the current gem sitting in the oval office had nothing to do with it. The stats he loves to take credit for are almost completely due to the widespread implementation of hydraulic fracturing in the last 10 years or so. That technique has made thousands of wells profitable that would not have been otherwise. That has fostered a drilling boom. And who is it that is constantly opposed to hydraulic fracturing? The Dems and their environmentalist buddies who fight it every step of the way. Obama will not get away with trying to take credit for our increased oil production when he has fought it every step of the way.