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Old 11-20-2012, 08:59 AM   #1
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Allen West concedes

The right continues to harp about Obama's win being due to a poor quality Pub candidate. Well, most of them would consider Allen West a pretty high quality candidate. He conceded defeat in a very close race today. Could it be that there is more to this than candidate "quality"?

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/1...atrick-murphy/
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The right continues to harp about Obama's win being due to a poor quality Pub candidate. Well, most of them would consider Allen West a pretty high quality candidate. He conceded defeat in a very close race today. Could it be that there is more to this than candidate "quality"?

http://www.postonpolitics.com/2012/1...atrick-murphy/
He was against the freebies and amnesty not a winning position nowadays. You can be the most "high quality, morally correct and Patriotic but the new America doesn't need those quality's anymore
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He was against the freebies and amnesty not a winning position nowadays. You can be the most "high quality, morally correct and Patriotic but the new America doesn't need those quality's anymore
Precisely my point. Romney isn't to blame for the election loss. The American people are. They clearly have decided they want a cradle-to-grave government care society and they aren't economically savvy enough to understand that we can't afford that without a serious downgrade in overall living standards. When they finally wake up, it will be too late.
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Precisely my point. Romney isn't to blame for the election loss. The American people are. They clearly have decided they want a cradle-to-grave government care society and they aren't economically savvy enough to understand that we can't afford that without a serious downgrade in overall living standards. When they finally wake up, it will be too late.
Stop pretending like everyone who voted Democratic is a freeloader. Abusers of these systems are not solely in the corner of Democrats. In fact, I don't even know if there is reasonable way to study political party v. abuser of assistance (other than stereotypical mumbo jumbo).
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Stop pretending like everyone who voted Democratic is a freeloader. Abusers of these systems are not solely in the corner of Democrats. In fact, I don't even know if there is reasonable way to study political party v. abuser of assistance (other than stereotypical mumbo jumbo).
You completely misread what I am saying. I'm not talking about free loaders. I'm talking about a society that wants guaranteed medical care, food, housing, retirement, etc. etc, without regard for what they put in the program. I would be all for those things except for one thing: there is no realistic plan to pay for them. What we want or even what we need can't be provided over the long term without a plan to pay for them. I haven't seen a single study that shows we can pay for all of our entitlements into the future with any kind of tax increase. And Obamacare doubles down on our public cost. Again, I'm only talking about the economics. People who want to feel good about being so giving need to pay a little attention to the economics. The Dems have done nothing to show us how we are going to pay for all of these entitlements.
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I'm talking about a society that wants guaranteed medical care, food, housing, retirement, etc. etc, without regard for what they put in the program.
Fine. To use your terms, not every Democrat wants all that handed to them either, nor a guarantee. Maybe they want government to mind their own business with regard to bedroom and womb issues. Maybe they are a single issue voter on something else. I'm seeing a new path with the Republican rhetoric and its attempting to pin Democrats as "gimme-gimmes" who don't understand economics. That's not always the case.
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Stop pretending like everyone who voted Democratic is a freeloader. Abusers of these systems are not solely in the corner of Democrats. In fact, I don't even know if there is reasonable way to study political party v. abuser of assistance (other than stereotypical mumbo jumbo).
First thing please stop say'n that we (DC crew) say that every Democrate is a free loader, thats 100% not true. But if you go thru life and don't believe the free loaders (I don't like the term free loaders either, lets just agree with Tex and call it government sponsered programs (paid by the working class)) mostly vote Democrate at this point in time, then you are passing thru life with your eyes closed The Republican Party used to stand for a balanced budget and to acomplish that today, that means ending government programs we don't need to survive (like that big bird thingy)
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I'm seeing a new path with the Republican rhetoric and its attempting to pin Democrats as "gimme-gimmes" who don't understand economics. That's not always the case.
What's the "new" path? Because you just stated the same old Republican rhetoric that I've heard for the entire 40yrs of my life.
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Fine. To use your terms, not every Democrat wants all that handed to them either, nor a guarantee. Maybe they want government to mind their own business with regard to bedroom and womb issues. Maybe they are a single issue voter on something else. I'm seeing a new path with the Republican rhetoric and its attempting to pin Democrats as "gimme-gimmes" who don't understand economics. That's not always the case.
If Democrats put the insanely blown out of proportion issues of abortion and gay rights anywhere near the top of their reasons for voting, they are (I'm sorry) idiots. In better economic times, maybe those issues should get a second thought. But this country will not rise or fall on abortion. It WILL rise or fall based on how it handles it's economy over the next 20 years. The Pubs are no saints in this regard, but at least they don't continually peddle new, expansive, expensive programs to the electorate in order to buy votes. SOMEBODY has to get serious about our spending, and Dems clearly are not going to be that somebody.
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SOMEBODY has to get serious about our spending, and Dems clearly are not going to be that somebody.
Fair enough. Although, I don't think the Republicans are that somebody either.
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Fair enough. Although, I don't think the Republicans are that somebody either.
There is a new Republican Party brewing with guys like Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio. Like the investment guys say - past performance is no predictor of future returns.
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If Democrats put the insanely blown out of proportion issues of abortion and gay rights anywhere near the top of their reasons for voting, they are (I'm sorry) idiots. In better economic times, maybe those issues should get a second thought. But this country will not rise or fall on abortion. It WILL rise or fall based on how it handles it's economy over the next 20 years. The Pubs are no saints in this regard, but at least they don't continually peddle new, expansive, expensive programs to the electorate in order to buy votes. SOMEBODY has to get serious about our spending, and Dems clearly are not going to be that somebody.

They may be idiots, but I believe there to be a popular belief, especially in younger and lower income voters, that neither the Dems nor the Pubs will do anything (or at least anything substantially different) about the economic mess we are in. So they may as well vote on the social issues in which the two parties are willing to clearly spell out their differences.
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They may be idiots, but I believe there to be a popular belief, especially in younger and lower income voters, that neither the Dems nor the Pubs will do anything (or at least anything substantially different) about the economic mess we are in. So they may as well vote on the social issues in which the two parties are willing to clearly spell out their differences.
I will agree with you to a point on this, but as bad as the economy and debt has been for the last four years I don't know how you can say that the Dems have the answer for today. I feel Obama has proven he has no answer while the Pubs are saying they have an answer (just not proven to be the right one yet)
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I will agree with you to a point on this, but as bad as the economy and debt has been for the last four years I don't know how you can say that the Dems have the answer for today. I feel Obama has proven he has no answer while the Pubs are saying they have an answer (just not proven to be the right one yet)
I don't disagree, but the point I was making is that the mindset is, "If we are going to be economically bu-fu'ed anyway, we may as well keep our personal freedoms that the ultra-right-Christian Pubs want to take away."
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They may be idiots, but I believe there to be a popular belief, especially in younger and lower income voters, that neither the Dems nor the Pubs will do anything (or at least anything substantially different) about the economic mess we are in. So they may as well vote on the social issues in which the two parties are willing to clearly spell out their differences.
I think you are probably right. But the root of that is a basic ignorance of our economic plight and how difficult it is going to be to get it under control. I believe that since 2008 there has been a huge influx of new blood into the Republican Party, lead by Tea Party candidates. This new group has decided to take the bull by the horns and try to develop real solutions. But all the Dems want to do is demagogue any changes and point out the pain it might cause. Well, duh, ANY solution is going to cause someone pain. But if no solution is offered, there will be very very severe pain for everyone. The Dems refuse to talk about that. I'm tired of the Dems always complaining that the Pubs politicize issues when the Dems silence on the most important issue of all is purely for political purposes.
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