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Old 12-17-2012, 11:38 AM   #1
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2013 ZR1 beats new 2013 Viper and sets 2 new records!

"But who cares about me. Letís talk Randy Pobst, who set the new Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca lap record in the Corvette ZR1 with a time of 1:33.70. The old record of 1:33.99, set by Chris Winkler in a 2010 Dodge Viper ACR, stood for more than three years."


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"But who cares about me. Letís talk Randy Pobst, who set the new Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca lap record in the Corvette ZR1 with a time of 1:33.70. The old record of 1:33.99, set by Chris Winkler in a 2010 Dodge Viper ACR, stood for more than three years."


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Only a matter of time before Longtimer swears Nissan GT-R, and other AWD vehicles would post better lap times at Laguna Seca. As A favorite auto journalist often says: Notgonnahappen.com.
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Only a matter of time before Longtimer swears Nissan GT-R, and other AWD vehicles would post better lap times at Laguna Seca. As A favorite auto journalist often says: Notgonnahappen.com.
Ralph Gilles (SRT President) Calls Out Motor Trend Driver For Being Afraid Of The Viper

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I love Ralph Gilles. He is a true enthusiast, unlike most (all) other corporate suits now days.

Fact is though, the Viper may be capable of more, but when driven by the same driver in this particular case, it wasn't quicker then the ZR1.

Also, I have a feeling that the Pirelli tires are the Achilles heel of the new Viper. All of the reviews of the Ferraris that use the same ones have said they are terrible. The Michelin PS Cup tires on the ZR1 are the best performance tires available today.

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Viper fans aren't taking this news very well.
http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/...or-Gen-V/page5

http://www.viperalley.com/forum/2013...ck-king-2.html
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Who cares, the average fan of each car will never own either. Those threads ar elike the old school yard argument of my father can beat up your father.
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Who cares, the average fan of each car will never own either. Those threads are like the old school yard argument of my father can beat up your father.
Thats what makes them so funny! Who gives a shit, they are both great cars!
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Man those guys are really taking it serious over there, it's kinda funny
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I love Ralph Gilles. He is a true enthusiast, unlike most (all) other corporate suits now days.

Fact is though, the Viper may be capable of more, but when driven by the same driver in this particular case, it wasn't quicker then the ZR1.

Also, I have a feeling that the Pirelli tires are the Achilles heel of the new Viper. All of the reviews of the Ferraris that use the same ones have said they are terrible. The Michelin PS Cup tires on the ZR1 are the best performance tires available today.
P Zero Corsas are mocked in what magazines? Those are the same tires, but perhaps a newer generation, as Scuderia tires. They came stock on my lp560 and I replaced the OEM tires on my F430 with those while I still had it.

They are much closer to Hoosiers (which I have driven on a Z06) than they are to PZero Rossas (F430s OEM tire) or PS2s. They are EXTREMELY sticky. And in my opinion a great choice for an OEM tire on a performance car, they are remarkably well mannered for such a sticky tire, and also not dangerous in the rain so long as you behave. The Hoosiers... put a gun to your head if stuck in the rain with those and a Z06, you'll at least save the car that way.

The downsides to the P Zero Corsa is that they are extremely intolerant of cold weather. In the LP560 even if you roll up near the torque peak of the motor in first gear and then stab it on a city street, they hook up perfectly, no spin, ever, as long as its 65 or warmer. 55-60, some spin, 40? Wheel hop and no acceleration at all. Its amazing how they lose grip with dropping temperature.

And their grip lasts maybe 1000 miles. You can clearly feel dimisished grip from 1k-2k miles, and at about 2k miles in my experience you need to swap them out for new ones as they grip is materially depleted. Driving the cars equipped with these tires, for me, was >$1/mile of tires alone.

But it is flatly false to say these are not sticky tires, or that they are not good tires. They also have the advantage of being sticky straight out of the garage, you don't have to wait for them to warm up and tire pressure to rise by a few PSI before playing with your car.

All comments are from my own experience and driving habits and may or may not apply to every situation.

The real situation here, as I can divine it, I'll address in an additional post. Did a non-ACR gen IV viper ever compete with a ZR1 on a road course comparison test? I can't recall such a moment...
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First and foremost, as a former C6 owner (and maybe future, one can never say!), this is just amazing for the C6 and lovers of it. Nice going away present, I would say.

Second, the Viper guys are taking this all wrong. They and the car they love actually are huge winners here. They are all upset, it seems, because they became accustomed to the Gen IV ACR beating up on everything in lap times. And I'm sure they took some great pride in that, as is fair.

But here's the thing: when, oh when, did a Viper COUPE ever tangle with a ZR1 in a comparison test? I can't recall a single time, only the ACR did. The ACR has a street-illegal spoiler, adjustable suspension (and at times Dodge would send someone with to adjust the car in these tests) and a gigantic wing, and like 1500 pounds of downforce.

I don't think the gen IV COUPE would have ever gotten so close to a ZR1 with the performance package. The ACR did.

The Gen V Viper is clearly a formidable beast, and while its tires may (or may not) have been as good, they are absolutely great tires. Its not like the run-craps the Z06 had for all those years.

And I have no doubt that the Gen V Viper, in ACR trim, will take back a whole lot of records and win a whole lot of comparison tests.

But... what would a ZR1 with a vented hood, huge splitter, and gigantic wing be able to do?

Guys, I suspect that the C6 was always a faster platform than the Gen IV Viper in these tests, they just had a company with the sense to give tham an ACR. Chevy never gave an "ACR" version of the Z06 or ZR1.
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Both cars are winners here.

The Viper remains a Viper, which I assume is why Viper lovers loved Vipers in the first place, and it remains the only true exotic American car on the market today.

And the C6 got a very sweet send off. Happy times for pushrods.
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I guess it's the same on this forum when we think the vette got robbed by a magazine. Some people take it with a grain of salt others like they poured the salt into an open wound. I'm a vette guy so I'm happy, but that doesn't change the fact that the viper is a pretty bad-ass ride too.
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I love Ralph Gilles. He is a true enthusiast, unlike most (all) other corporate suits now days.
He seems like a nice guy, here is a video of him 2 days ago.

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