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Old 01-06-2013, 04:15 PM   #1
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RE: FBI / Banks Coordinate Occupy Wall Street crackdown

http://www.zcommunications.org/revealed-how-the-fbi-coordinated-the-crackdown-on-occupy-by-naomi-wolf

It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.
The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.
The documents, released after long delay in the week between Christmas and New Year, show a nationwide meta-plot unfolding in city after city in an Orwellian world: six American universities are sites where campus police funneled information about students involved with OWS to the FBI, with the administrations' knowledge (p51); banks sat down with FBI officials to pool information about OWS protesters harvested by private security; plans to crush Occupy events, planned for a month down the road, were made by the FBI – and offered to the representatives of the same organizations that the protests would target; and even threats of the assassination of OWS leaders by sniper fire – by whom? Where? – now remain redacted and undisclosed to those American citizens in danger, contrary to standard FBI practice to inform the person concerned when there is a threat against a political leader (p61).
As Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, executive director of the PCJF, put it, the documents show that from the start, the FBI – though it acknowledges Occupy movement as being, in fact, a peaceful organization – nonetheless designated OWS repeatedly as a "terrorist threat":
"FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) … reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat … The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country."
Verheyden-Hilliard points out the close partnering of banks, the New York Stock Exchange and at least one local Federal Reserve with the FBI and DHS, and calls it "police-statism":
"This production [of documents], which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI's surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement … These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America."
The documents show stunning range: in Denver, Colorado, that branch of the FBI and a "Bank Fraud Working Group" met in November 2011 – during the Occupy protests – to surveil the group. The Federal Reserve of Richmond, Virginia had its own private security surveilling Occupy Tampa and Tampa Veterans for Peace and passing privately-collected information on activists back to the Richmond FBI, which, in turn, categorized OWS activities under its "domestic terrorism" unit. The Anchorage, Alaska "terrorism task force" was watching Occupy Anchorage. The Jackson, Michigan "joint terrorism task force" was issuing a "counterterrorism preparedness alert" about the ill-organized grandmas and college sophomores in Occupy there. Also in Jackson, Michigan, the FBI and the "Bank Security Group" – multiple private banks – met to discuss the reaction to "National Bad Bank Sit-in Day" (the response was violent, as you may recall). The Virginia FBI sent that state's Occupy members' details to the Virginia terrorism fusion center. The Memphis FBI tracked OWS under its "joint terrorism task force" aegis, too. And so on, for over 100 pages.
Jason Leopold, at Truthout.org, who has sought similar documents for more than a year, reported that the FBI falsely asserted in response to his own FOIA requests that no documents related to its infiltration of Occupy Wall Street existed at all. But the release may be strategic: if you are an Occupy activist and see how your information is being sent to terrorism task forces and fusion centers, not to mention the "longterm plans" of some redacted group to shoot you, this document is quite the deterrent.
There is a new twist: the merger of the private sector, DHS and the FBI means that any of us can become WikiLeaks, a point that Julian Assange was trying to make in explaining the argument behind his recent book. The fusion of the tracking of money and the suppression of dissent means that a huge area of vulnerability in civil society – people's income streams and financial records – is now firmly in the hands of the banks, which are, in turn, now in the business of tracking your dissent.
Remember that only 10% of the money donated to WikiLeaks can be processed – because of financial sector and DHS-sponsored targeting of PayPal data. With this merger, that crushing of one's personal or business financial freedom can happen to any of us. How messy, criminalizing and prosecuting dissent. How simple, by contrast, just to label an entity a "terrorist organization" and choke off, disrupt or indict its sources of financing.
Why the huge push for counterterrorism "fusion centers", the DHS militarizing of police departments, and so on? It was never really about "the terrorists". It was not even about civil unrest. It was always about this moment, when vast crimes might be uncovered by citizens – it was always, that is to say, meant to be about you.

Author - Naomi Wolf

The story certainly isn't new, but news of documents that prove the story is.
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Ahh come on, that bankster stuff is all conspiracy theory.

The banksters are behind the constant war too.. war on terror?
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Canister missles, held in bondage? Sounds like an occupier was the author of this.
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Ahh come on, that bankster stuff is all conspiracy theory.

The banksters are behind the constant war too.. war on terror?
Don't forget the war on drugs too....huge money made there.
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Canister missles, held in bondage? Sounds like an occupier was the author of this.
Yep. I have no sympathy for the OWS crowd. If they have a political point to make, do it through actually presenting a valid argument to the public and attempting to change minds. I am never for disrupting the lives of people not involved in ones issue in order to make a political point. The internet is available to everyone, and any organization can develop a fund raising arm to get their side of the issue out in public. These kinds of groups just want to skip the normal path for changing society and go straight to public disruption and free advertising. The best I can tell, this never works to change the public's mind. OWS probably had fewer potential supporters after their mess of a campaign than they would have if they had acted as if they cared about the people around them. It frankly does not surprise me that dealing with the lengthy, messy disruption called for coordination between government, law enforcement and the private industries affected. For all of the breathless outrage in this article, I think the demonstration was handled pretty well. A demonstration by nature is going to have unpredictable features, and the ones who plan the demonstration are the ones responsible when things go badly IMO.
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Yep. I have no sympathy for the OWS crowd. If they have a political point to make, do it through actually presenting a valid argument to the public and attempting to change minds. I am never for disrupting the lives of people not involved in ones issue in order to make a political point. The internet is available to everyone, and any organization can develop a fund raising arm to get their side of the issue out in public. These kinds of groups just want to skip the normal path for changing society and go straight to public disruption and free advertising. The best I can tell, this never works to change the public's mind. OWS probably had fewer potential supporters after their mess of a campaign than they would have if they had acted as if they cared about the people around them. It frankly does not surprise me that dealing with the lengthy, messy disruption called for coordination between government, law enforcement and the private industries affected. For all of the breathless outrage in this article, I think the demonstration was handled pretty well. A demonstration by nature is going to have unpredictable features, and the ones who plan the demonstration are the ones responsible when things go badly IMO.
The govt. cracked down and plotted on civil rights protestors too. I'm glad that some here are ok with the banks and the governments actions. As I've always said, don't expect your rights or liberties to be saved, when you support denying those same rights and liberties to others.

Hmm gun rights anyone?? Sure it's a different subject, but the outcome and the tactics used are all the same. You can bet that if they do come for guns, protestors and those that resist will be treated equally. Isn't equality great!

You can look throughout our country, and any countries history... it always took violence to make REAL change....unfortunately.

I'm sure if this was the Tea Party, there would be outrage . In fact, even some of them have been targeted. People still haven't figured out that the govt. does not care what party you're a fan of, it is one body that is going in the same direction.. and if you resists it's plans, you'll be a target too.
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The govt. cracked down and plotted on civil rights protestors too. I'm glad that some here are ok with the banks and the governments actions. As I've always said, don't expect your rights or liberties to be saved, when you support denying those same rights and liberties to others.

Hmm gun rights anyone?? Sure it's a different subject, but the outcome and the tactics used are all the same. You can bet that if they do come for guns, protestors and those that resist will be treated equally. Isn't equality great!

You can look throughout our country, and any countries history... it always took violence to make REAL change....unfortunately.

I'm sure if this was the Tea Party, there would be outrage . In fact, even some of them have been targeted. People still haven't figured out that the govt. does not care what party you're a fan of, it is one body that is going in the same direction.. and if you resists it's plans, you'll be a target too.
50 years later, most people agree that civil rights for minorities was a righteous movement. The way this country is going, 50 years from now, people may think that a movement that wants to confiscate more from the top 1% and spread it around to the unmotivated was a righteous movement. Right now, I don't.
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50 years later, most people agree that civil rights for minorities was a righteous movement. The way this country is going, 50 years from now, people may think that a movement that wants to confiscate more from the top 1% and spread it around to the unmotivated was a righteous movement. Right now, I don't.
That's been the #1 talking point of FNC since BO announced he was running.

Hitler said it best: "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it". You've heard it EVERY SINGLE DAY on FNC, dozens of times a day.

Having said that, there is, and always will be a war between the "have's" and the "have not's". FACT - The "have's" are winning. Do you deny the fact that since the govt started keeping track of the economical divide between the rich and the poor, that the divide is the BIGGEST in history!

Perhaps you suppose that folks are just turning out in droves and dumping what little cash they have on the door steps of the rich. How does the divide get greater,...simple, banking policies and laws written by the banks, along with tax policy, outsourcing of jobs, wars (of all types) etc. etc.

Also, the media duped many into believing that only dems/libs were protesting at OWS, but just as with the tea party, there were people who were smart enough to realize that these problems weren't "Party" related. There were many libs/dems who protested side-by-side with cons/pubs. The media won't dare show you that though.

Funny how the constitution can be thrown out for some....but hey, it's always been that way. Now those same folks who were for the wall st. crack down, are now complaining about how their constitutional rights are being taken with regards to "gun grabbing". Perhaps the saying
"what goes around, comes around" has some truth to it.

One of the biggest problems in this country, is that so many people are in fact facist, and think the same way facist do. Just because they don't recognize it, don't mean it's not true.

Perhaps in 50 years, just as with the civil rights movement, people will look back at OWS and say, "what a righteous movement that was. What a difference 50 years make huh?
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Having said that, there is, and always will be a war between the "have's" and the "have not's". FACT - The "have's" are winning. Do you deny the fact that since the govt started keeping track of the economical divide between the rich and the poor, that the divide is the BIGGEST in history!
That may be true, but that's not the stat that matters. What matters is how the bottom 98% have done over time - regardless of how the upper 2% have done. Who cares if the upper class is getting richer faster if it's not at the expense of the bottom? Median incomes for all groups has risen in constant dollars over the last 30 years. Growth has been the least in the bottom 20%, but no group has lost ground during that time. Here are the growth rates by income segment from 1967 to 2009:

20th percentile - .30%/year
50th percentile - .41%/year
80th percentile - .88%/year
95th percentile - 1.24%/year

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Househo..._United_States

Notice none of those are negative numbers. What's the difference in the top 20% and the bottom 80%? Primarily education. Education has always been the easiest path to the upper middle class which most of the top 20% is. This screaming about the income gap is class envy which I think in time will lead to massive confiscation of wealth from the top 20% as the voting pool of people in the bottom 50% increases. And it will mean the end of economic greatness for this country.
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That may be true, but that's not the stat that matters. What matters is how the bottom 98% have done over time - regardless of how the upper 2% have done. Who cares if the upper class is getting richer faster if it's not at the expense of the bottom? Median incomes for all groups has risen in constant dollars over the last 30 years. Growth has been the least in the bottom 20%, but no group has lost ground during that time. Here are the growth rates by income segment from 1967 to 2009:

20th percentile - .30%/year
50th percentile - .41%/year
80th percentile - .88%/year
95th percentile - 1.24%/year

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Househo..._United_States

Notice none of those are negative numbers. What's the difference in the top 20% and the bottom 80%? Primarily education. Education has always been the easiest path to the upper middle class which most of the top 20% is. This screaming about the income gap is class envy which I think in time will lead to massive confiscation of wealth from the top 20% as the voting pool of people in the bottom 50% increases. And it will mean the end of economic greatness for this country.
Your chart may be true, but most economists will agree that wages have been stagnent for a long time. Forget the stat, just ask your numbers if there wages have been steady going up for 30 years??

I agree that education is definitely the way that most will make it to the next level. You only need to get out and drive to different school districts and see the "state" of many schools in the country. Teachers are always the first on the chopping block, instead of downsizing the govt., the fraud and waste and corruption.

Yes, the rich often do get richer at the expense of the lower and middle classes. Take at look at the average CEO salary compared to that of wages of the average worker over the last 20-30 years. You used to walk into stores like home depot, best buy etc., and there's be workers in each department. Now try that and see what happens. I went to best buy about 6 months ago and had to wait over 30 minutes just to talk to someone who worked there. The middle class worker is done-for and is expendable, why?!? because of the bottom-line. Those increased profits aren't going to the guy/gal on the floor, their going to the CEO's, top managment and those on the board.

About 5 years ago, there was a big story that showed in great detail, how the CEO's profits were sky-rocketing..doubling and tripling, while the stock price's were plummeting...loosing upwards 50, 60, 70 and even 80% of their value! Many of those couples folded and went out of business, but not before those famed golden parachutes weres released with million dollar+ walking bonues. Hmm, I'm sure it wasn't the standard worker who wrote those rules.

The tax system is another expense of the lower and middle class. Of course fewer and fewer people are paying in, mainly because there are fewer and fewer jobs...in part due to outsourcing of corporate.

As the old saying goes, he who has the gold makes the rules, and anyone standing in the middle of the road can plainly see that. If you don't think so, try being the first to stocks in a brand new IPO... you won't be able to because you aren't rich. Guess who wrote that rule?? Hmm.
By the time the average investor buys the same stock, the price has already been inflated big time, and you would've lost out on big gains.

It was the wealthy who propped up the facebook IPO, knowing that it wasn't sh!+...but the rich brought stocks, blew it up, and left the average guy holding the bag of crap...though some wealthy folks got bit too.

Another reason, look at what the banks are doing to the currency... they're still buying junk bonds at a phenominal rate due the the perpetual QE. Artifically keeping interest rates low, means that your keeping money on the bank is worthless. Couple that with rising inflation, fewer jobs, poor investment in education and our children's future in general.

Don't worry though, there are many right-wingers who felt EXACTLY the way you do now... only now, many of them don't have a job, a house, a car and visit the local food pantry or church to eat. Most of the poor were already right wingers, now it's only growing. The wonderful thing about the strategy that's in place (from the bankers view), is that you ultimately participate in your own demise.

I've said many, many times that I have nothing against the rich, in fact... that's my goal as well. I may not make it, but I'm trying like hell lol.

The banks have caused municipalities to crumble through the faulty, garbage municipal bond manipulation. This means that many folks who've worked for decades to retire can't. Pension funds are busted and broke to these very same banks. Pension checks are greatly reduced, delayed and in the worst case scenarios stop coming in the mail. Perhaps you could say that it's the "growing poor's" fault for not being aware or educated.

I don't hold the bankers responsible for ALL of the losses that people suffered. A lot of folks were greedy and stupid, assuming loans that they knew they couldn't afford. With that said, look to the LIBOR scandal that went on for a long time as the "Paid off" regulators turned their heads. Libor rigging caused EVERYONE who has a mortgage or any type of loan from a bank to pay more money that equaled in the TRILLIONS! Think anyone went to jail lol...hell no...they're the rich who write the laws... meanwhile a kid who steals a pos car is facing 3-5 years, perhaps more depending on the state.

So, to say that the rich don't get richer at the expense of those of us down the ladder is just dead wrong.

Those are just a few of the many examples. Also, it's not just happening to us here in the states, the IMF is blowing up economies around the world and making the poor even poorer.

Unfortunately for most, it takes a tradegy to touch home before they wake up... and many have awaken.
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Median income chart:

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Your chart may be true, but most economists will agree that wages have been stagnent for a long time. Forget the stat, just ask your numbers if there wages have been steady going up for 30 years??
Another thing the charts don't show is that people don't tend to stay in the lower groups. Many of the people in the lower group are young people who will grow their income over the years and end up in higher groups. They will be replaced by more young people. So it's not as if people stayed in the lowest group from 1967 to 2009. Hell, in 1967, I was in the lowest group, and I have spent time in every one of the other groups. These statistics about income are very misleading and can be used to make almost any point one wishes to make.
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Another thing the charts don't show is that people don't tend to stay in the lower groups. Many of the people in the lower group are young people who will grow their income over the years and end up in higher groups. They will be replaced by more young people. So it's not as if people stayed in the lowest group from 1967 to 2009. Hell, in 1967, I was in the lowest group, and I have spent time in every one of the other groups. These statistics about income are very misleading and can be used to make almost any point one wishes to make.
charts and stats can a "religious" affect, in that people can see in the grilled cheese what they want to lol.

But just ask yourself, where is all that money from the QE going? None of it is reaching the average man or woman. It's all going to equaties and bonds,.. and of course the hedge fund managers who handles this garbage. In the end, the debt is laid on the door step of the average american.
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But just ask yourself, where is all that money from the QE going? None of it is reaching the average man or woman. It's all going to equaties and bonds,.. and of course the hedge fund managers who handles this garbage. In the end, the debt is laid on the door step of the average american.
I won't argue with you on that point. You had finance people like Geithner coming up with solutions to financial system problems by throwing money at the financial system. Technically it might have been the only thing to do, but it led to a windfall for senior people in the finance industry, and what taxpayers got out of it was the fact that the economy didn't go into complete depression, many people didn't lose their jobs that might have otherwise, and the masses got saddled with tremendous debt. I'm pretty ignorant of the details of how the financial system works. But something tells me there had to be a better way.
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I won't argue with you on that point. You had finance people like Geithner coming up with solutions to financial system problems by throwing money at the financial system. Technically it might have been the only thing to do, but it led to a windfall for senior people in the finance industry, and what taxpayers got out of it was the fact that the economy didn't go into complete depression, many people didn't lose their jobs that might have otherwise, and the masses got saddled with tremendous debt. I'm pretty ignorant of the details of how the financial system works. But something tells me there had to be a better way.
with you 100%! Imho, most of the things they do, they do for a reason. I just can't belive that with over a century of monetary history lessons, that hundreds of "connected" Ivy league educated folks, don't know the keys to a sound economy...especially, when other countries are succeeding at it. It's really hard to keep up with the financial system, because of all the fancy new money schemes and engineering that goes behind closed doors. Even well educated economist (which I'm obviously am not) have a hard time figure out what they're up to. Most often, once one scheme is blown up to the public, the bankers have already started on their next one.

Goldman Sachs is really our govt... kind of sad. If you look at ALL of our Fed chairman's, ALL of them worked as CEO's of Goldman Sach's at one time. I guess that's why it was the first bank that was saved during the collapse.

As you well know, when you look at every single president that was assasinated, they all supported full or partial gold and/or silver backing of the dollar. The last thing the banks want is a gold/silver standard, mainly because you can't print gold or silver...which means less power, which means less war (the biggest money maker for banks), less bailouts etc. With Fiat currency, you can print as much as you want and "bubble-up" your power.

I do agree though, there's got to be a better way!
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