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Old 01-12-2013, 04:41 AM   #1
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"The big thing is bringing people to the brand and bringing a lot of energy to the brand," Welburn said. "People will look a bit differently at Chevrolet if Corvette is an even more relevant vehicle, a vehicle that is very inspiring, that is on the leading edge in so many ways."

Leading edge? Really?

GM's ability to warp reality and then believe their own fiction has always amazed me. This is probably the single behavior that is causing their demise. I thought that after the re-org/bailout they would learn to accept reality. But, not so! They have preserved their worst trait, the one thing that will kill them if they don't correct it.

"Leading edge"? OK, the C7 is restyled and probably lighter. To GM this somehow equates to leading edge!?!? Sounds like the Bill Mitchell days when styling replaced engineering. (Not to disparage his styling prowess which was and remains amazing)

Mid-engine layout has been de rigueur for world class sports cars for 40-50 years now. Ok, perhaps I am overstating facts, I should say world class SUPER cars.

While I admit that it does seem like young boys (including my 25 year old son) like the Camaro, I always thought that it was the super cars that really inspired the imagination.

So, lets all imagine the super car that the C7 could have been while Zora takes another spin in his grave!

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Got to love armchair critics, and by the way siskel its CAM A RO
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Got to love armchair critics, and by the way siskel its CAM A RO
Ok - I'm an armchair critic and you are what, worried about the spelling of Camaro?

I am actually a CONSUMER who would have probably bought the first mid engined Corvette in 1972 if it had been produced. I have been waiting patiently for it for over 40 years.

For the record, when I was a kid, GM was the largest and best automobile manufacturer.
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mid engined cars also have drawbacks in street clothes also i know you have not driven c7 yet or a camaro zl1 which for a heavy car corners nicely
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Ok - I'm an armchair critic and you are what, worried about the spelling of Camaro?

I am actually a CONSUMER who would have probably bought the first mid engined Corvette in 1972 if it had been produced. I have been waiting patiently for it for over 40 years.

For the record, when I was a kid, GM was the largest and best automobile manufacturer.
The Corvette, since 1984 at least, has become a mid-front engined car, and more so through the C5 an C6 generations. Really not significantly different than most of the rear engined cars people think of - most are truly mid-rear engined. The 911 is one notable exception.
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I wonder if the same people that have been begging for a mid/mid-rear set up would be the same ones to suddenly pitch a bitch when the price starts to resemble that of a Porsche/Ferrari/etc.
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I've made a few comments about the C7, taillights, yada-yada, but it's just a car, I don't loose one damn bit of sleep over what it's going to look like. Had them for 40 years now, at my age, it's hard to get excited about anything, yes anything.....
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"The big thing is bringing people to the brand and bringing a lot of energy to the brand," Welburn said. "People will look a bit differently at Chevrolet if Corvette is an even more relevant vehicle, a vehicle that is very inspiring, that is on the leading edge in so many ways."

Leading edge? Really?

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"Leading edge"? OK, the C7 is restyled and probably lighter. To GM this somehow equates to leading edge!?!? Sounds like the Bill Mitchell days when styling replaced engineering. (Not to disparage his styling prowess which was and remains amazing)
I agree with this much of your post. I'll even agree that it would be interesting to see a second vette model in the line up that does have a rear mid arrangement.

However, please recognize that the worlds most successful Super car maker, Ferrari choses a rear mid for their "entry level" model and a front mid for their premium model. Also please note that they choose to race the front mid against Corvette at LeMans. If Ferrari thought the rear mid had more advantage, they would race it not the front mid.

I have a TREMENDOUS amount of respect and gratitude for what Zora did for Corvette, but he was not perfect. I strongly recommend you read his biography.

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I agree with this much of your post. I'll even agree that it would be interesting to see a second vette model in the line up that does have a rear mid arrangement.

However, please recognize that the worlds most successful Super car maker, Ferrari choses a rear mid for their "entry level" model and a front mid for their premium model. Also please note that they choose to race the front mid against Corvette at LeMans. If Ferrari thought the rear mid had more advantage, they would race it not the front mid.

I have a TREMENDOUS amount of respect and gratitude for what Zora did for Corvette, but he was not perfect. I strongly recommend you read his biography.

JMHO

They don't race the F458 Italia in LeMans?
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They don't race the F458 Italia in LeMans?
Depends on which team you're talking about.

Risi was running the 458.
Extreme Speed was running the F430 as one point. I think they have 458's now too.

I think Risi is out of the ALMS for some reason now.
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I've made a few comments about the C7, taillights, yada-yada, but it's just a car, I don't loose one damn bit of sleep over what it's going to look like. Had them for 40 years now, at my age, it's hard to get excited about anything, yes anything.....
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"The big thing is bringing people to the brand and bringing a lot of energy to the brand," Welburn said. "People will look a bit differently at Chevrolet if Corvette is an even more relevant vehicle, a vehicle that is very inspiring, that is on the leading edge in so many ways."

Leading edge? Really?

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While I admit that it does seem like young boys (including my 25 year old son) like the Camero, I always thought that it was the super cars that really inspired the imagination.

So, lets all imagine the super car that the C7 could have been while Zora takes another spin in his grave!
There is no way for me to give any less of a shit as to where the motor is. The only things I care about are performance and cost. As far as I am concerned the CORVETTE has been on the leading edge since the C5.
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There is no way for me to give any less of a shit as to where the motor is. The only things I care about are performance and cost. As far as I am concerned the CORVETTE has been on the leading edge since the C5.
100% agreed - However, ~45/55 weight distribution (which is best for a race car) can only be achieved in a MID-ENGINED car.

By the way, a mid engined car is not inherently more expensive than any other layout! (Think front engined front wheel drive turned around).

I'm good with a second spec, higher cost mid engine Vette.

Like, I suppose, many of us, I have owned many crotch rockets - R1, RC51, CBR1000RR, etc. They are typically about 90% of a MotoGP (motorcycle equivalent of F1) specification. I would like to be able to purchase a road/track car that is ~75% of an F1 car. Approximately the level of an Italia.

I would love to see GM build an Italia beater, but I don't think that they could actually do it. GM does not have F1 to keep them on top of their game. Still, it would be great to see them try.

Better yet, if GM really wants to improve their image, how about competing in F1?

I'm hoping for a mid engined C8, if it does ever come, I'm hoping that I can still drive (68 and counting)! Also, forget the V6, give us a small block V8 (and overhead cams would be nice, i.e. higher revving, more horsepower, etc).
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