Armed Guard Stops School Shooter Who Shot Classmates

[Vette_Newb]

"Best way to stop a man with a gun, is a man with a gun".

Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

Multiple shots were fired in the courtyard of Price Middle School just south of downtown around 1:50 p.m. and the one boy was hit, Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said. In the aftermath, a teacher received minor cuts, he said.

The wounded boy was taken "alert, conscious and breathing" to Grady Memorial Hospital, said police spokesman Carlos Campos. He was expected to be released Thursday night.

Police swarmed the school of about 400 students after reports of the shooting while a crowd of anxious parents gathered in the streets, awaiting word on their children. Students were kept at the locked-down school for more than two hours before being dismissed.

Investigators believe the shooting was not random and that something occurred between the two students that may have led to it.

Schools Superintendent Erroll Davis said the school does have metal detectors.

"The obvious question is how did this get past a metal detector?" Davis asked about the gun. "That’s something we do not know yet."

The armed resource officer who took the gun away was off-duty and at the school, but police didn’t release details on him or whether he is regularly at Price. Since 20 children and six adults were shot to death at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut in December, calls for armed officers in every school have resonated across the country.

Hours after the Atlanta shooting, several school buses loaded with children pulled away from the school and stopped in front of a church about a half-block away. Parents tried boarding the buses. Police who initially tried to stop the parents, relented and screamed, "Let them off!" about the students.

James Bolton was at work when his sister called saying a teen had been shot at his son’s school and was in the crowd as parents began swarming the fleet of buses.

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[blckslvr79]

[XQIZT]

Yay...hurray...Ya know what I DON'T see in this article...and maybe there is more to this...But what I don't see is this:
1) Confirmation that the "armed guard" actually used his gun to disarm the student. Coulda been that this kid was just unlucky enough to pull this stunt with the guard behind him/nearby. Certainly if the student had been shot, that would have been included in the article.
2) Does this school regularly have armed guards? If so, that fact doesn't seem to deter students from bringing guns anyway.

I'm not saying that armed guards aren't part of the solution, but I think people have unrealistic expectations about how effective it will be.

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by XQIZT

Yay...hurray...Ya know what I DON'T see in this article...and maybe there is more to this...But what I don't see is this:
1) Confirmation that the "armed guard" actually used his gun to disarm the student. Coulda been that this kid was just unlucky enough to pull this stunt with the guard behind him/nearby. Certainly if the student had been shot, that would have been included in the article.

That was the EXACT passage that I was looking for! I'm all for armed police or even teachers in school but this article proves nothing to justify that.

[blckslvr79]

Originally Posted by XQIZT

Yay...hurray...Ya know what I DON'T see in this article...and maybe there is more to this...But what I don't see is this:
1) Confirmation that the "armed guard" actually used his gun to disarm the student. Coulda been that this kid was just unlucky enough to pull this stunt with the guard behind him/nearby. Certainly if the student had been shot, that would have been included in the article.
2) Does this school regularly have armed guards? If so, that fact doesn't seem to deter students from bringing guns anyway.

I'm not saying that armed guards aren't part of the solution, but I think people have unrealistic expectations about how effective it will be.

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

That was the EXACT passage that I was looking for! I'm all for armed police or even teachers in school but this article proves nothing to justify that.

What a couple of glass half empty kind of guys you two are.

It could rain after a drought and you two would complain about the mud.

[XQIZT]

Originally Posted by blckslvr79

What a couple of glass half empty kind of guys you two are.

It could rain after a drought and you two would complain about the mud.

That's not it at all. I have a problem when there is an attempt to justify something with something unrelated.

Take it to the absurd: A crossdressing chainsaw juggler helps a little ol' lady get her cat out of a tree. Certainly no one would attempt to say that we gotta raid our wives closet in order to be a a good Samaritan, even though the guy/girl also had access to a tool that might be helpful in rescuing Whiskers from the oak tree.

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by xqizt

that's not it at all. I have a problem when there is an attempt to justify something with something unrelated.

Take it to the absurd: A crossdressing chainsaw juggler helps a little ol' lady get her cat out of a tree. Certainly no one would attempt to say that we gotta raid our wives closet in order to be a a good samaritan, even though the guy/girl also had access to a tool that might be helpful in rescuing whiskers from the oak tree.

bingo.

[92Roadster]

Originally Posted by blckslvr79

What a couple of glass half empty kind of guys you two are.

It could rain after a drought and you two would complain about the mud.

...come on now, you have to agree with "XQIZT" and "JunkMan"
he never used his weapon to disarm the shooter per the article......

...even farmers complain about the mud after a dry spell....

[Junkman2008]

Originally Posted by XQIZT

That's not it at all. I have a problem when there is an attempt to justify something with something unrelated.

That's called "AGENDA".

[blckslvr79]

Originally Posted by XQIZT

That's not it at all. I have a problem when there is an attempt to justify something with something unrelated.

Take it to the absurd: A crossdressing chainsaw juggler helps a little ol' lady get her cat out of a tree. Certainly no one would attempt to say that we gotta raid our wives closet in order to be a a good Samaritan, even though the guy/girl also had access to a tool that might be helpful in rescuing Whiskers from the oak tree.

That's understandable, but I saw no report either way. So you are arguing unproved facts as much as the article.

[blckslvr79]

Originally Posted by 92Roadster

...come on now, you have to agree with "XQIZT" and "JunkMan"
he never used his weapon to disarm the shooter per the article......

...even farmers complain about the mud after a dry spell....

Did the article specifically state that he did not use his weapon? Just saying.

[XQIZT]

Originally Posted by blckslvr79

That's understandable, but I saw no report either way. So you are arguing unproved facts as much as the article.

Uhhh...sorta...except that the Article title is "armed guard....." even though the fact that he was armed may have had NOTHING to do with the end result.

I'm simply asking for more information. And I've said before that I don't mind armed guards, but it has to be done smart and effective. We already talked about the fact that having an AR15 locked away in an office in in a patrol car ain't gonna do much since there would be so much lag time in getting the firepower to the firefight.

[XQIZT]

Originally Posted by blckslvr79

Did the article specifically state that he did not use his weapon? Just saying.

No...and whats what I am asking. You could be damn sure that if the guard FIRED his weapon that there would be some mention of a mini "OK Corral" type situation. Right?

[Bill Davies]

Originally Posted by XQIZT

Yay...hurray...Ya know what I DON'T see in this article...and maybe there is more to this...But what I don't see is this:
1) Confirmation that the "armed guard" actually used his gun to disarm the student. Coulda been that this kid was just unlucky enough to pull this stunt with the guard behind him/nearby. Certainly if the student had been shot, that would have been included in the article.
2) Does this school regularly have armed guards? If so, that fact doesn't seem to deter students from bringing guns anyway.

I'm not saying that armed guards aren't part of the solution, but I think people have unrealistic expectations about how effective it will be.

I do see your point, in that it would have been a stronger anecdotal story for the "Armed guards in school" camp if the article had stated the officer had to use his gun. And I'm not saying it would be a "better" story, just stronger for the argument.

However, the fact remains that a trained (and armed) guard disarmed the shooter. And the fact remains that it is a good thing he was there to do so.

[Vette_Newb]

Originally Posted by XQIZT

Yay...hurray...Ya know what I DON'T see in this article...and maybe there is more to this...But what I don't see is this:
1) Confirmation that the "armed guard" actually used his gun to disarm the student. Coulda been that this kid was just unlucky enough to pull this stunt with the guard behind him/nearby. Certainly if the student had been shot, that would have been included in the article.
2) Does this school regularly have armed guards? If so, that fact doesn't seem to deter students from bringing guns anyway.

I'm not saying that armed guards aren't part of the solution, but I think people have unrealistic expectations about how effective it will be.

Doesn't even matter if he used the gun. Just having an armed guard prevented this from being worse.

Compare with Sandy Hook, that school was completely unprotected and full of children (funny, the libs say "For the children" and advocate leaving schools unprotected. Shows just how fucked-up in the head they really are) and the massacre was on like donkey kong..

Just another nail in the coffin of the old tired lie.. gun control only works for dictators and tyrants. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

That's called "AGENDA".

Wouldn't agenda be you and xzit talking about how the guard took the shooter down, rather than how the guard's presence stopped this madman? Yeah? I thought so too..