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Old 02-08-2013, 10:16 AM   #1
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How do we build a third party based on limited government and the Constitution?

Progressivism is taking root in this country, and the problem doesnít just lie in the Democratic party. The problem extends to the GOP too. What does the Republican party even stand for anymore other than winning elections? Theyíll do anything to win, even if it means compromising on the values and principles that made the conservative movement strong to begin with. Civil servants like Ted Cruz and Chris Stewart are unfortunately more the exceptions than the rule when it comes to conservative leadership in Washington. So what are the people who believe in the principles of small government and freedom supposed to do when they canít find a home in the Republican or Democratic parties?

Since he returned from vacation, Glenn has been saying itís time to look for a third party where people can find common ground based on the Constitution. Heís argued that people of different backgrounds and beliefs can come together on libertarian principles. But people need to have open and honest conversations in order to find the places where they can find the true big tent that will shape the future of the country.

In order to find this common ground, Glenn invited FOX News contributor Judge Napolitano, an expert on libertarian philosophy, onto the show to discuss the Constitution and how itís principles can lead to a resurgence of freedom and small government.

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Progressivism is taking root in this country, and the problem doesnít just lie in the Democratic party. The problem extends to the GOP too. What does the Republican party even stand for anymore other than winning elections? Theyíll do anything to win, even if it means compromising on the values and principles that made the conservative movement strong to begin with. Civil servants like Ted Cruz and Chris Stewart are unfortunately more the exceptions than the rule when it comes to conservative leadership in Washington. So what are the people who believe in the principles of small government and freedom supposed to do when they canít find a home in the Republican or Democratic parties?

Since he returned from vacation, Glenn has been saying itís time to look for a third party where people can find common ground based on the Constitution. Heís argued that people of different backgrounds and beliefs can come together on libertarian principles. But people need to have open and honest conversations in order to find the places where they can find the true big tent that will shape the future of the country.

In order to find this common ground, Glenn invited FOX News contributor Judge Napolitano, an expert on libertarian philosophy, onto the show to discuss the Constitution and how itís principles can lead to a resurgence of freedom and small government.

See the interview and read more here
Republicans winning???? Since when are they concerned with that???

If they were concerned with winning, they'd run some electable politicians. The current Republican Party is just the right arm of the Democrat Party.
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It just can't happen, Tex is right. Conservative Constitutional People only make up about 25-30% of the country.
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Did you guys watch both segments of the interview? There is a compelling way to do it, and it's revealed at the end of the 2nd segment.
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What does the Republican party even stand for anymore other than winning elections? Theyíll do anything to win, even if it means compromising on the values and principles that made the conservative movement strong to begin with.
That sounds so logical to deride the concept that we must win elections. But if you can't win elections, how can you have any effect on the direction of government? Which is better, to win by building coalitions (compromising) and get 50% of what you want, or lose all elections and get zero of what you want? This idea that compromise is a dirty word is fostered by the Tea Party and far right, but we live in a country with dramatically varied visions. Just because 20% think they have it right doesn't make it so. The Republican Party simply understands that philosophy comes second to politics in a representative republic.
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Ok...forget it then...
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That sounds so logical to deride the concept that we must win elections. But if you can't win elections, how can you have any effect on the direction of government? Which is better, to win by building coalitions (compromising) and get 50% of what you want, or lose all elections and get zero of what you want? This idea that compromise is a dirty word is fostered by the Tea Party and far right, but we live in a country with dramatically varied visions. Just because 20% think they have it right doesn't make it so. The Republican Party simply understands that philosophy comes second to politics in a representative republic.
Evidently not, they lost 2 times to the worst president in history. Watched their poster boy for conservative justice hand Obama his signature healthcare law, and move in everyway possible to prevent conservatives from taking the power away from the left wing of the party.

We voted with you and got Bush 1, we voted with you and got Bush 2, twice. Time for your kind to practice some of your compromise with folks who aren't the enemy..
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Ok...forget it then...
It's a war, gotta win heart and minds. But right now, most minds are on survival and for a very large percentage of the country that means big government.

Until the funds are cut off, this will go on indefinitely. The Fed actually bought more treasury's than the treasury issued last month. It's the same as if you and I could print $100 bills, we would spend until we couldn't print anymore. There is no downside for those in power..
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It's a war, gotta win heart and minds. But right now, most minds are on survival and for a very large percentage of the country that means big government.

Until the funds are cut off, this will go on indefinitely. The Fed actually bought more treasury's than the treasury issued last month. It's the same as if you and I could print $100 bills, we would spend until we couldn't print anymore. There is no downside for those in power..
Still gotta start somewhere. It's how Theodore and Wilson got started. No easy and quick fix now...
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Still gotta start somewhere. It's how Theodore and Wilson got started. No easy and quick fix now...
I'm all for it. But getting the "I don't care about the republic or the constitution" element of the GOP on board is going to be tricky.
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I'm all for it. But getting the "I don't care about the republic or the constitution" element of the GOP on board is going to be tricky.
You can't win without winning the hearts and minds of the middle, because there aren't enough of you alone. There is no alternative. So you either have to 1) actually convince another 25% of voters to think exactly the same as you or 2) compromise on some issues while standing on others -- prioritize and accept incremental change. #1 is impossible. #2 can be done, but it requires patience and perseverence.
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You can't win without winning the hearts and minds of the middle, because there aren't enough of you alone. There is no alternative. So you either have to 1) actually convince another 25% of voters to think exactly the same as you or 2) compromise on some issues while standing on others -- prioritize and accept incremental change. #1 is impossible. #2 can be done, but it requires patience and perseverence.
Tex....forget it...they're not listening. Each election cycle they'll try to move further and further the right because that's the "correct" direction for the country...and they'll get less and less of the vote.
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I'm all for it.
I know. Been there since day one.
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But getting the "I don't care about the republic or the constitution" element of the GOP on board is going to be tricky.
Shouldn't waste time on them then...
Like you said, when the pain becomes personally great enough, they'll look for change. It may take 100 years. That's how long it took Theodore and Wilson.
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Tex....forget it...they're not listening. Each election cycle they'll try to move further and further the right because that's the "correct" direction for the country...and they'll get less and less of the vote.
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