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Old 02-22-2013, 07:18 AM   #1
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REPORT: Feds send letters to vets taking away gun rights

This must be Barack Obama’s way of thanking our veterans for serving.
US veterans are receiving letters from the government informing them that they are disabled and not allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm. If the veteran does decide to purchase a firearm he will by fined, imprisoned or both.
This comes on page 2 of the VA letter.



Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D. reported this at Red Flag News.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...e-of-firearms/
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I would like to see the rest of the article above what you posted. I do not believe that they were referring to physical handicaps but psychological ones in which I agree with not allowing people with those issues have guns. But if it states physical as well, then I have a problem with that.

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...well first off, there is no indication of the level of PTSD,
so lets just make sure we get everyone all exicted as to
your rights are being comprised.....
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I would like to see the rest of the article above what you posted.

That is why I supply the link..
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Coming just two weeks after a guy diagnosed with PTSD gunned down America's most decorated sniper and another guy at a shooting range in DFW where they were trying to help him through his PTSD, I would say there is some logic to these kinds of firearm restrictions.

"Iraq War veteran Eddie Ray Routh, 25, has been charged in the Feb. 2 killings of Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield at a North Texas gun range. Routh is jailed in Erath County on $3 million bail.
Taya Kyle also paid tribute to Littlefield during the service Monday, saying he was the "effortless, no expectations" friend that her husband needed.
Many said before Monday's service that they didn't know the 38-year-old Kyle. Air Force Master Sgt. Kevin Phillips said he came from his Fort Worth home to honor "a brother in arms."
Steven O'Bryan and his wife, Carol, drove more than two hours from their home in Marshall in East Texas because "he's just an American hero," Carol O'Bryan said.
FITCO's director has said the men apparently had been helping Routh work through post-traumatic stress disorder.
Kyle, Littlefield and Routh arrived together at the Rough Creek Lodge shooting range, about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth, authorities say. Routh later fled in Kyle's truck and went to his sister's home.
According to a search warrant, Routh told his sister and brother-in-law that the men "were out shooting target practice and he couldn't trust them so he killed them before they could kill him." Routh's sister called the police, describing her brother as "psychotic." Routh was arrested after a short police chase.
Routh's brother-in-law told authorities that Routh had recently been diagnosed with PTSD.
One of Routh's attorneys, J. Warren St. John, said his client had been released from the Dallas Veterans Affairs hospital against his family's wishes just two days before the shootings.
Littlefield's funeral was held Friday in Midlothian. Afterward, Littlefield's relatives said the outing with Routh was intended to be therapeutic."
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/02...#storylink=cpy
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Coming just two weeks after a guy diagnosed with PTSD gunned down America's most decorated sniper and another guy at a shooting range in DFW where they were trying to help him through his PTSD, I would say there is some logic to these kinds of firearm restrictions.
I can certainly understand this with regard to mental
issues and things like PTSD. That said, I have to
question why a vet. would be prevented from
owning a firearm based solely on a physical condition.
I think this needs more clarification.
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I can certainly understand this with regard to mental
issues and things like PTSD. That said, I have to
question why a vet. would be prevented from
owning a firearm based solely on a physical condition.
I think this needs more clarification.
With the word "incompetency", they are clearly talking about a psychological condition, not a physical one. The fact that they are also talking about handling their finances for them points to a psychological basis. After the Sandy Hook shooting, the gun world declared that we should not be looking at guns for our solutions, but rather at the mental health system. This seems to me to be exactly that - trying to make a determination about mental health in people known to have been in a traumatic situation, and proactively working with them to prevent problems for themselves and others. Could this system be abused? Sure. But with competent mental health professionals, it probably is the best way to deal with vets with significant mental health issues.
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With the word "incompetency", they are clearly talking about a psychological condition, not a physical one. The fact that they are also talking about handling their finances for them points to a psychological basis. After the Sandy Hook shooting, the gun world declared that we should not be looking at guns for our solutions, but rather at the mental health system. This seems to me to be exactly that - trying to make a determination about mental health in people known to have been in a traumatic situation, and proactively working with them to prevent problems for themselves and others. Could this system be abused? Sure. But with competent mental health professionals, it probably is the best way to deal with vets with significant mental health issues.
...how do you accomplish retaining "competent mental health
professionals" and is there error for this, you bet, as for having
first hand knowledge that "competent" are hard shoes to fill
and not just appeasing a congressional pledge....
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With the word "incompetency", they are clearly talking about a psychological condition, not a physical one. The fact that they are also talking about handling their finances for them points to a psychological basis. After the Sandy Hook shooting, the gun world declared that we should not be looking at guns for our solutions, but rather at the mental health system. This seems to me to be exactly that - trying to make a determination about mental health in people known to have been in a traumatic situation, and proactively working with them to prevent problems for themselves and others. Could this system be abused? Sure. But with competent mental health professionals, it probably is the best way to deal with vets with significant mental health issues.
And who could be more competent than the folks who brought you ObamaCare & run the Post Office?
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And who could be more competent than the folks who brought you ObamaCare & run the Post Office?
Just sayin'. The gun lobby said we need to attack the mental health angle when it comes to potential nutcase shooters. The VA does that, and the very same people still scream that we are taking guns away from people. Seems to me that we all understand that some people with serious mental health problems should not possess firearms. That means we might have to let up on our aversion to any form of gun control and let the system try to help the problem of mass killings. If you want to work on the mental health angle, sooner or later you have to trust mental health professionals to do their job.
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...how do you accomplish retaining "competent mental health
professionals" and is there error for this, you bet, as for having
first hand knowledge that "competent" are hard shoes to fill
and not just appeasing a congressional pledge....
Like I told VN, most everyone agrees that attention needs to be placed on the mental health angle more than blanket gun control when it comes to prevention of mass murder. To do that, sooner or later you have to trust the mental health system - which by and large is pretty darn good.
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Just sayin'. The gun lobby said we need to attack the mental health angle when it comes to potential nutcase shooters. The VA does that, and the very same people still scream that we are taking guns away from people. Seems to me that we all understand that some people with serious mental health problems should not possess firearms. That means we might have to let up on our aversion to any form of gun control and let the system try to help the problem of mass killings. If you want to work on the mental health angle, sooner or later you have to trust mental health professionals to do their job.
I trust mental health professionals.. but as a disabled vet, I can tell you that competency is not a usually-applied word to the VA. I would prefer to see some due process involving private sector practitioners when it comes to declaring someone incompetent or otherwise mentally-unhealthy.

As a reference, what is the first thing people think when they hear the term "Vietnam Vet"? The media industry has very few positive portrayals of those guys who went into that hellhole under false pretenses and were expected to do a job, that usually ran opposite of their ROE's. The Vietnam vet gets a bad rap, just for being a Vietnam vet.. if you don't believe me, ask some.
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I trust mental health professionals.. but as a disabled vet, I can tell you that competency is not a usually-applied word to the VA. I would prefer to see some due process involving private sector practitioners when it comes to declaring someone incompetent or otherwise mentally-unhealthy.

As a reference, what is the first thing people think when they hear the term "Vietnam Vet"? The media industry has very few positive portrayals of those guys who went into that hellhole under false pretenses and were expected to do a job, that usually ran opposite of their ROE's. The Vietnam vet gets a bad rap, just for being a Vietnam vet.. if you don't believe me, ask some.
I think that is reasonable. You don't want to remove rights from people without a system that makes abuse difficult. That would at least mean a review board of experts, and might also include judicial oversight. It certainly should not just involve the recommendation of a single psychologist.
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First, it's the pro-gun crowd that insisted that it's people's mental capacity that needs to be the test for whether or not you can own a gun...the "boxed" portion seems to speak directly to that. After many threads about this, I agree that this needs to be a part of the solution.

But more importantly...and another display of "selective outrage"...the boxed portion points to the authority of the Brady Handgun Violence Protection Act, which as we all know, that socialist, commie, "destroy the USA" bastard Obama passed in.....oh wait....that law became effective in 1994!!!

So for almost 20 years these regs have been on the books...and you're just NOW getting around to being concerned? Please.
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First, it's the pro-gun crowd that insisted that it's people's mental capacity that needs to be the test for whether or not you can own a gun...the "boxed" portion seems to speak directly to that. After many threads about this, I agree that this needs to be a part of the solution.
Yes, and like I said there needs to be due process before arbitrarily taking someones rights away.

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But more importantly...and another display of "selective outrage"...the boxed portion points to the authority of the Brady Handgun Violence Protection Act, which as we all know, that socialist, commie, "destroy the USA" bastard Obama passed in.....oh wait....that law became effective in 1994!!!

So for almost 20 years these regs have been on the books...and you're just NOW getting around to being concerned? Please.
I don't know who or what your taking about.. but hopefully you do.



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