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09-18-2018 03:33 PM
Longtimer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniacmechanic1 View Post
Electric cars present are horrible inneficient.
I think you and I are the only ones who see this as a FACT.
09-18-2018 04:37 AM
Maniacmechanic1 Spark ignited internal combustion engines will be around a long time.
There is always E85.
Methanol.
Drag Racers to the Rescue Longtimer.

Electric cars present are horrible inneficient.
Power generation to recharge to energy delivery to battery packs to recharge.

Demos are jacking off...excuse my French accent.
09-18-2018 04:34 AM
Maniacmechanic1
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post
One on the ground and three in the air and all the on board computers going nuts.



With the hood up - Yep, get used to it. Not the hatch, the hood.


A pair of Aces drawing some interest:


Too bad these are not side by side....
Strong chassis from what I see.
09-18-2018 04:32 AM
Maniacmechanic1
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post
Yes, I am fully aware of CAFE and the gas guzzler tax and that Trump has stalled the Obama fast track to 54.5 MPG by 2025. You and I both know that the only way a Corvette will hit 54.5 MPG in the next 7 years...or ever... is electric power. Not likely even a Hybrid system would get to that lofty number unless using a Turbo 4 hybrid. Frankly, I think most Vette fans would rather see all-electric than put any gasoline engine in a vette that is not a V8.....or maybe just me. Gutsy sound or electric. Besides, let's face it, the electrics have tons of TQ and vetters LOVE tq.

Trump will not be in office forever and at some point, a Dem will hold the office again. When that happens, within the first 6 months that person will set Obama-type CAFE standards just to beat their own chest. Car MFGs MUST plan for this possibility because they cannot be caught flat-footed product wise (like with the 70's & 80's safety and economy legislation), so they continue to develop electric cars.

I HATE the CAFE system. I would MUCH rather see a Carbon footprint measurement that includes the atmospheric impact of the average USA plant generating electricity (No one is willing to admit that if all cars were electric today, many more Electric Plants would be required to power ALL Vehicles so it is NOT just a simple MPG comparison) and the impact of the eventual battery disposal (NASTY, NASTY chemicals that I understand cannot be recyled) cooked into a measurement that might even out the gasoline vs. Electricity war. However, that is not likely to happen, so a near-sighted Government will essentially dictate that at some time before 2050 the gasoline engine will become an antique (and you think gas is expensive NOW, wait until you have order it on Amazon )

Sorry, everyone. This is an ongoing argument I have with my son. I'll step down from my soapbox.
It's only possible all electric using Fuel Cell technology.
Breaking down H20 into Hydrgen and oxygen into fuel.
The Grand Scheme.
All Research stopped.
Completed and used by NASA Decades ago.
09-18-2018 12:03 AM
Longtimer One on the ground and three in the air and all the on board computers going nuts.



With the hood up - Yep, get used to it. Not the hatch, the hood.


A pair of Aces drawing some interest:


Too bad these are not side by side....
09-17-2018 10:37 PM
Longtimer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniacmechanic1 View Post

GOOD NEWS LONGTIMER !
Yes, I am fully aware of CAFE and the gas guzzler tax and that Trump has stalled the Obama fast track to 54.5 MPG by 2025. You and I both know that the only way a Corvette will hit 54.5 MPG in the next 7 years...or ever... is electric power. Not likely even a Hybrid system would get to that lofty number unless using a Turbo 4 hybrid. Frankly, I think most Vette fans would rather see all-electric than put any gasoline engine in a vette that is not a V8.....or maybe just me. Gutsy sound or electric. Besides, let's face it, the electrics have tons of TQ and vetters LOVE tq.

Trump will not be in office forever and at some point, a Dem will hold the office again. When that happens, within the first 6 months that person will set Obama-type CAFE standards just to beat their own chest. Car MFGs MUST plan for this possibility because they cannot be caught flat-footed product wise (like with the 70's & 80's safety and economy legislation), so they continue to develop electric cars.

I HATE the CAFE system. I would MUCH rather see a Carbon footprint measurement that includes the atmospheric impact of the average USA plant generating electricity (No one is willing to admit that if all cars were electric today, many more Electric Plants would be required to power ALL Vehicles so it is NOT just a simple MPG comparison) and the impact of the eventual battery disposal (NASTY, NASTY chemicals that I understand cannot be recyled) cooked into a measurement that might even out the gasoline vs. Electricity war. However, that is not likely to happen, so a near-sighted Government will essentially dictate that at some time before 2050 the gasoline engine will become an antique (and you think gas is expensive NOW, wait until you have order it on Amazon )

Sorry, everyone. This is an ongoing argument I have with my son. I'll step down from my soapbox.
09-17-2018 10:03 PM
Longtimer
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Originally Posted by Playmate View Post
Cadillac has a twin turbo V8 coming, with over 500 horsepower!
Yes, they do but more than ever, GM feels that Cads mus have their own, unique V8s. I'm not sure why, but I know they want only DOHC and supposedly Detroit sources say the eventual DOHC V8 coming to the C8 (likely the Zora Z06) will NOT be the same engine found in the Cadillac.

Although I kind of understand Cad's desire to separate itself from Corvette's brutal power image, IMO it has already cost them the demise of a fine model. The XLR, almost 400 lbs heavier than it's chassis sibling the C6, had great potential but came standard with their Northstar 4.6 DOHC V8 and only 320 HP. The Vette ran 400 and 430 HP during the XLR's lifespan. The base MB SL550 was running a 5.5-liter V8 with 382 hp and 391 lb-ft. Not too many vette buyers were in the XLR demographic, but most of those that might have been tempted were probably put off by the low power to weight numbers. IMO, they should have offered at least one model XLR with a vette engine and watched the sales. They did this with the first CTS-V, putting in an LS7 from the C5 Z06 and it sold well and gained great respect for the model. FWIW
09-16-2018 08:08 PM
Maniacmechanic1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...cafe-standards


GOOD NEWS LONGTIMER !
09-16-2018 08:06 PM
Maniacmechanic1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corp...e_fuel_economy
09-16-2018 07:54 PM
Maniacmechanic1
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post
Not to worry on that front. The base engine is "near-confirmed" as being a variant of the current LT V8. Historically, the new gen base engine is always higher HP than the prior base and often just under the HP of the prior gen's Z06. I think an LT very close or over 500HP is almost certain.

Of greater concern is that observer lap timing of the C8s at the N'ring says the times are not impressive at this point. Sort of a head-scratcher. Cannot imagine that the base C8 is heavier than the base C7. If it is, seems like they need to re-think the reason. I have been a loud critic of the FT V8 cylinder deactivation feature that caused the largely AL chassis to resonate on the C7 so much that they added 105-200 lbs of anti-resonating parts. All this to get ~.5 to 1 MPG. I cannot help but wonder if the C8 is faced with something similar that is driving another bad decision. I strongly suspect that if we all voted on have the weight or lose the .5 - 1 MPG, we would dump the cyl deactivation, or am I wrong?

The N'ring times could just be reflective of early development. The Michigan Lutzring is not the same as the N'ring or they would take the cars all that way. Setting up the suspension computers algorithms, the impact of getting air on the engine ecm, AND AN ALL NEW DUAL CLUTCH TRANS CONTROL has got to be a challenge. Nothing like the open road testing we have seen in the spy pics.
The Obama mandated CAFE Law never went away.

All Bets from me are on the Twin Turbo Engine.
May be well shy of 1000 Hp.
Might be just 600 Hp..
Make Obama CAFE.

Hopefully Guys like me can ditch the stock turbos or what ever crap holds it back.
Give it 2000 + Hp.
09-16-2018 06:06 PM
Playmate Cadillac has a twin turbo V8 coming, with over 500 horsepower!
09-16-2018 04:36 PM
Longtimer
Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyGS View Post
My initial thought is that having a juiced up six-banger might be a deal breaker for me - if that ends up being the case. to me, a Corvette always came with a V8.
Not to worry on that front. The base engine is "near-confirmed" as being a variant of the current LT V8. Historically, the new gen base engine is always higher HP than the prior base and often just under the HP of the prior gen's Z06. I think an LT very close or over 500HP is almost certain.

Of greater concern is that observer lap timing of the C8s at the N'ring says the times are not impressive at this point. Sort of a head-scratcher. Cannot imagine that the base C8 is heavier than the base C7. If it is, seems like they need to re-think the reason. I have been a loud critic of the FT V8 cylinder deactivation feature that caused the largely AL chassis to resonate on the C7 so much that they added 105-200 lbs of anti-resonating parts. All this to get ~.5 to 1 MPG. I cannot help but wonder if the C8 is faced with something similar that is driving another bad decision. I strongly suspect that if we all voted on have the weight or lose the .5 - 1 MPG, we would dump the cyl deactivation, or am I wrong?

The N'ring times could just be reflective of early development. The Michigan Lutzring is not the same as the N'ring or they would take the cars all that way. Setting up the suspension computers algorithms, the impact of getting air on the engine ecm, AND AN ALL NEW DUAL CLUTCH TRANS CONTROL has got to be a challenge. Nothing like the open road testing we have seen in the spy pics.
09-10-2018 02:07 PM
StillCrazy
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Originally Posted by Playmate View Post
Haven't had any of those issues with mine!
congrats your one of the lucky ones.
09-10-2018 01:35 PM
Playmate Haven't had any of those issues with mine!
09-10-2018 12:57 PM
StillCrazy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Playmate View Post
What problems is GM having with the C7?
Problems with the drive line ,torque tube ,rear end noise, and other trans problems.
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