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Old 10-03-2014, 07:55 AM   #106
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You can then Lauch at 5,000-8,000 RPM Dumping the clutch.
Or on Transbrake release.
Instead of shity 60 foot times....
You will have 1.3 -1.0 seconds I promise.
Solid Axle Required.

Fuck that IRS For Drag Racing.
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All right this is my last attempt...

Last I checked the race was a 1/4 mile and the winner is decided by the clock, not in how the driver got there... ie a guy who leaves soft and then hauls by you with turbos howling like jet engines still wins yes? You don't get special points for turning tires into smoke or standing on the bumper.

Is that how you launch? Mat the throttle until it bounces of the rev limiter in your MSD box then just side step the clutch? That sounds more like ricer racing then actual skilled launching / pedaling no?

Win on sunday sell on monday does still apply. During the drag racing heydays and NHRA inception, yes a solid axle big engined stripped out straight line bullet would have been just the ticket. However I have news for you... Except those actively participating in drag racing, NOBODY else cares about it. The rest of the country/world uses standing quarter mile times as a single metric among many others to compare vehicle performance. Much like 'merican football vs soccer, the rest of the world consumes rallying and F1 as spectators and participates in amateur rallying / road racing events on a MUCH larger scale then anyone in this country seems to realize. So C7.r GT/Cup car yes, solid axle version no.

Honestly, Nurburgring OEM lap times have replaced your NHRA standings any way. Even media types agree (from wiki):

"According to Popular Science, "beating the 'ring, and making a YouTube video to prove it, is about the best marketing move a sports car company can make, even one that plans to roll only a double-digits'-worth of cars out of its production facility."[5]


You said you don't give a flip about the Ring? There are a number of reasons the Green Hell is frequently used as THE benchmark for comparing road cars. The track is accessible by all manufacturers AND amateurs AND racers. In order to stay out of the wall and post anything close to a respectable time, the car needs to be adept at handling ALL the things a car should do (brake, accelerate, turn, any combination therein) and piloted by a skilled wheel man for a lot longer then 9 seconds. There is a reason the revised Milford track includes replicas of a number of key ring elements.

And really, how are 6-10 special solid axle cars Joe public can't buy and/or doesn't want doing well in some NHRA race going to help sales? No one cares. Corvette competes against other WORLD CLASS road cars, NOT old American muscle cars. People like Ring times because the Ring is the 'ultimate road' and the times are 'as equipped'. AKA run what you brung. Joe Public can go down to the dealership and order that exact car tomorrow. That is the essense of win on sunday sell on monday. Again, if this was 1969 and NHRA was on PRIMETIME television, sure. NASCAR, Indy, F1, GT/Cup and WRC are what's on TV.

Furthermore, if GM held your same sentiment, who knows what our current Vette or CTS would look like. I guarantee it would not be nipping at the heals of or devouring its normal list of world class rivals aka Ferarri/Lambo/Nissan/Porsche/Audi/BMW/Merc etc.

I know you have never seen it but a quick review of the current lap times is quite revealing. See below for part of a chart I started filling in. Note the trend? GM is killing it in the bang for the buck category. This is one quality GM should always maintain IMHO. In fact, when I travel abroad and start getting poked by the indigenous car enthusiasts for my American roots and cars I own, I always have that to fall back on... No our cars are not as nice but are the European offerings really 2x or 5x or in some cases 10x+ the car? Unless money is of no object to you, the Ring and personal experience says not. Furthermore, the ZR1 clocked a 7:20. The current Ring enamorations are the GTR, Viper, LFA and 918. Only 6 seconds separates the LFA, 12 for the GTR and 23 for the 918. You can buy 4 vettes or one LFA, 2 vettes or one Viper, 3 vettes or one GTR and finally 15! vettes or one 918. Alternatively you could spend a fraction of that difference on aftermarket upgrades and in all likely hood beat those times if you had the driving chops and balls to do it. If they give the C7 AWD and another 100hp look out world.

We live in a time where a production car can reasonably be expected to do ALL things a car should do fairly well, not just launch from a dig. GM recently did the COPO Camaro and Ford did the Cobra Jet... Are they what everyone is talking about? No. The Hellcat is fast sure, but its still god awful to actually drive and live with. No, the talk of the town is SUV and truck sales are up, the C7 is worlds better but still a mixed bag and Porsche's 918 is the future.

One more nail in the coffin: how many drag strips are still open and profitable today compared to say 1969? How about road courses?

I also submit that despite the relative risk and irresponsibility, there are more freeway rolling start drag races to 160mph every year on our freeways then there are any races from a dig. I mean how many street miles does your invincible 9 second machine actually see? How many 7k rpm clutch drops do you perform smoking tuners on your way to the grocery store? No sir, running on the expressway during rush hour in a street car and matting it for a 2-3 second burst to pass an annoying driver, resulting in mid triple digit speeds and immediately followed by a heavy braking event is infinitely more frequent.



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Pos Make/model Time Speed(kmh) year power/weight base price $/time
3 Porsche 918 Spyder (Weissach-Package) 06:57.0 178 '13 887 / 1634 $845,000 $2,026
4 Nissan GT-R Nismo 07:08.7 173 '15 599 / 1720 $151,585 $354
5 Gumpert Apollo Sport 07:11.6 172 '07 700 / 1200 $650,000 $1,506
6 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 07:12.1 172 '08 608 / 1536 $100,000 $231
7 Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package 07:14.6 171 '12 570 / 1509 $445,000 $1,024
8 Donkervoort D8 RS 07:14.9 171 '05 350 / 600 $112,958 $260
9 Porsche 911 GT2 RS 07:18.0 169 '10 620 / 1370 $250,000 $571
11 Nissan GT-R 07:19.1 169 '12 550 / 1736 $150,000 $342
12 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 07:19.6 169 '08 647 / 1530 $54,995 $125
13 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Z07 Package 07:22.7 168 '11 512 / 1394 $104,650 $236
15 Nissan GT-R 07:24.2 167 '11 530 / 1736 $103,365 $233
17 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport 07:24.7 167 '05 650 / 1230 $1,500,000 $3,373
18 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 07:25.0 167 '11 700 / 1575 $900,000 $2,022
21 Ferrari Enzo 07:25.2 167 '02 660 / 1365 $650,000 $1,460
31 Porsche Carrera GT 07:28.7 165 '03 612 / 1380 $446,000 $994
44 RUF RT12 07:35.0 163 '05 650 / 1573 $580,000 $1,275
45 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 07:37.5 162 '13 507 / 1702 $73,300 $160
46 Porsche 911 Carrera S 07:37.9 162 '11 400 / 1415 $85,910 $188
48 Lexus LFA 07:38.0 162 '10 560 / 1609 $350,000 $764
49 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Superleggera 07:38.0 162 '10 570 / 1430 $235,000 $513
53 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 07:39.3 161 '13 659 / 1750 $54,995 $120
58 Ford GT 07:40.6 161 '04 550 / 1538 $153,345 $333
59 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 07:41.3 161 '12 588 / 1838 $60,000 $130
64 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 07:42.9 160 '05 513 / 1437 $65,800 $142
87 Ford GT 07:52.0 157 '04 550 / 1538 $153,345 $325
99 Ferrari F430 07:55.0 156 '05 489 / 1450 $481,785 $1,014
116 Chevrolet Corvette C6 07:59.0 155 '04 405 / 1470 $43,735 $91
123 Cadillac CTS-V 07:59.3 155 '09 564 / 1980 $53,500 $112
218 Chevrolet Cobalt SS/TC 08:22.9 147 '08 264 / 1352 22,995 $46
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I don't think either one of us are going to change his mind, Panda.

And that's OK, the man is entitled to like what he likes, and based on his past posts, I respect his skills and devotion to seeing the world 1/4-mile at a time. Nothing wrong with that.

I would just like to see him respect the Corvette for what it is, and what it can do . . . not disparage it for what it isn't and criticize it for what it can't. It's a world-class sports car, not a dragster. If he wants to build it into one, go for it - but don"t expect GM to do it.

To each their own. It's often been said that "It takes all kinds". That's not true - it only takes MY kind. Unfortunately there ARE all kinds . . . THAT's the problem!!!
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Fyreline the Z06 is not enough to take on theHellcat in a Drag Race and win straight up.
We are in the USA Not Germany or Europe.
The Hellcat has a stock top end speed of 204 mph.
Does more than 1/4 mile well.
Its stock tune is very mild.
Its a Hemi.
Expect 2,000 Hp sometime next year. Hellcat 1st.
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If you look around on Digital Corvette, there are Drag Racers with Corvettes in every Gen .
Those with IRS ARE STRUGGLING. FAILURES. SCATTERED PARTS.
WALLETS EMPTIED FAST.

I GAVE THE SOLUTION.
ACCEPT OR DENY DEFY.YOUR LOSING AGAINST THAT HELLCAT OTHERWISE.
LEAVE THE VETTE IN THE GARAGE.
ITS DRAG RACE TIME.
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As I said, we're not going to change his mind.
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As I said, we're not going to change his mind.
How many IRS Cars do expect to compete at The Byron World Outlaw Wheelie Contest this Sunday ?
Any C7 ZO6'S ?

SHOULD I ASK OTHERS THERE WHY NOT ?

Sooner later the Hellcat will blow your C7 doors off.
What then ?
Still going to rely upon Numberg stats to say you Won.?
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And once again, we're going nowhere here. Listen, we get it that drag racing, for you, is the only thing that matters. Just be aware that to the rest of the world, it's only a very small part of a very big picture. There is a LOT more to automotive performance than drag racing. Heck, I'll line up my '62 with a top fuel dragster at Watkins Glen. He'll be in the weeds at Turn 1. I'll take a 1000-mile road trip for a week in my C6, you take the Hellcat. You won't get there faster, and you'll probably be pissing blood when you finally do.

See what I'm saying? You seem to keep taking everyone's comments as a personal attack. They aren't. Drag racing is great, I've done it and enjoyed it. I just suggest you broaden your horizons a bit and find out just how good of a car the Corvette really is. If all you care about is the quarter mile, that's fine. It just isn't as important to most people. That doesn't make you wrong.

It just means you're missing a lot.
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And once again, we're going nowhere here. Listen, we get it that drag racing, for you, is the only thing that matters. Just be aware that to the rest of the world, it's only a very small part of a very big picture. There is a LOT more to automotive performance than drag racing. Heck, I'll line up my '62 with a top fuel dragster at Watkins Glen. He'll be in the weeds at Turn 1. I'll take a 1000-mile road trip for a week in my C6, you take the Hellcat. You won't get there faster, and you'll probably be pissing blood when you finally do.

See what I'm saying? You seem to keep taking everyone's comments as a personal attack. They aren't. Drag racing is great, I've done it and enjoyed it. I just suggest you broaden your horizons a bit and find out just how good of a car the Corvette really is. If all you care about is the quarter mile, that's fine. It just isn't as important to most people. That doesn't make you wrong.

It just means you're missing a lot.
Are Corvette sales going up next year in 2015 ?
Or are they going down ?

Are Hellcat sales going up or will just 1 be sold you think ?


Just because you have Watkins Glenn in your backyard does not mran the rest of the USA Does too.

When the Top Fuel Dragster leaves it will blow the windows right out of your Corvette(s).
You will Bitch & Wine it.
He will be long gone.
Catch him if you can you will not.
Be laughing his Ass Off.
Me too.
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No bitching and whining here. I enjoy my cars on many different roads under many different conditions . . . Including those irritating things called "turns". Enjoy your drag cars.
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I am not entirely sure why it is that you seem fit to post in this thread which is talking about a mid engine Corvette?.

I have a 3 step process that will help you get over this thread and make your life much much better.

Step 1: stop posting in this thread about the Hellcat.

Step 2: go buy a Hellcat.

Step 3: be happy.

See should be great no?.
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Yes, meanwhile, back at the real thread . . . I do tend to think that if Ford "ups the ante" with a new Ford GT, it may in fact prompt a mid-engine response from GM. This reverses my original position that such a car wouldn't be forthcoming from GM for many years, if at all, because it makes no business sense to build it. Too expensive, not enough potential market.

However, the General has a nasty habit of reactionary product planning. In the final analysis, if a new Ford GT is what prompts GM to finally build a mid-engined Corvette, and further, if Ford intends another assault on LeMans . . . It could get very interesting.

And it's a great time to be a Corvette enthusiast.
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I am not entirely sure why it is that you seem fit to post in this thread which is talking about a mid engine Corvette?.

I have a 3 step process that will help you get over this thread and make your life much much better.

Step 1: stop posting in this thread about the Hellcat.

Step 2: go buy a Hellcat.

Step 3: be happy.

See should be great no?.
I don't see any Mid Engined Vettes. Just the pictured artists inception thoughts drawn out in color.
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Absolutely true. This is how it started all those other times a mid-engined Corvette was "just around the corner". Lots of speculation and lots of pretty (and some not so pretty) drawings, but zero hardware. Will this time be any different?
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No bitching and whining here. I enjoy my cars on many different roads under many different conditions . . . Including those irritating things called "turns". Enjoy your drag cars.
New C7 Corvette sales are not on a rebound in 2015 ?
Why Not ?????


H E L L C A T ?
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