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Old 06-23-2011, 05:24 PM   #76
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Yeah , I think there is room in the market for an exotic Corvette. Something along the lines of that legendary CERV III showcar from 1990.

And I agree with you that they should be developing it now so that the Corvette team wont be playing catch-up when the economy rebounds.

An aside: would Corvette being it's own brand make an exotic Vette an easier "sell" than if it's branded as "just" another Chevy. I think maybe so. It's my feeling that folks across the pond see CORVETTE/GM competing in endurance races, not so much Chevrolet.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Porsche has ever made a loss. Whenever sales are pointing in that direction, they just hike up their prices. I doubt the cost sensitive Corvette buyer will put up with such practices (although it DID work for GM back in the late 70s). Ferrari, I don't know , they just keep raising their prices. An "entry level" Ferrari is what now, $250,000? It's almost as if the more the Ferrari/Porsche clientele pays for their wheels, the more satisfied they are.

Corvette plays in a different league. However, you're right about when it comes to performance: Take No Prisoners.
funny you should mention Porsche because they went broke and had to be saved by VW for something like ten billion
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funny you should mention Porsche because they went broke and had to be saved by VW for something like ten billion

WOW. That's nuts. It's hard for me to follow that VW/Audi/Porsche drama. I thought Porsche had just bought controlling interest in VW (or Audi, i forget which). When did Porsche go broke?
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An aside: would Corvette being it's own brand make an exotic Vette an easier "sell" than if it's branded as "just" another Chevy. I think maybe so. It's my feeling that folks across the pond see CORVETTE/GM competing in endurance races, not so much Chevrolet.
How about across the STREET - or in my house! I have had the absolute worst luck taking my Vette to Chevy dealers. If I weren't certifiable about Corvettes, I'd have moved on many years ago.

As I've said before, it just won't happen because Chevy dealers would sue GM if they pulled it out of Chevy, but Corvette would be MUCH better off if GM would only sell to dealers with dedicated sales and service who are Corvette "division" trained. Rant over ... er ...dormant for now.
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How about across the STREET - or in my house! I have had the absolute worst luck taking my Vette to Chevy dealers. If I weren't certifiable about Corvettes, I'd have moved on many years ago.

As I've said before, it just won't happen because Chevy dealers would sue GM if they pulled it out of Chevy, but Corvette would be MUCH better off if GM would only sell to dealers with dedicated sales and service who are Corvette "division" trained. Rant over ... er ...dormant for now.
There goes Politics , fu(king with our fun AGAIN!
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By the way, you remember the Ford GT - the limited F40 look alike they sold at a loss of $149k each a while back?

Those owners have to take their babies into a Ford dealer for service. It could be worse.
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OMG , I hadn't even thought about that! Now that;s just wrong!!! ha ha.

Yes it could always be worse I guess.
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Well the "Sideswipe" or C7 concept (whatever they call it) is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! If they go with that funky new rear end, then I would call it completely different. If it is it, or close to it...it's gonna have to "grow" on alot of people. I personally like it except for that rear...not sure about that yet.
If they sold that car, not only would Europeans not buy it, but Americans wouldn't buy it either.
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WOW. That's nuts. It's hard for me to follow that VW/Audi/Porsche drama. I thought Porsche had just bought controlling interest in VW (or Audi, i forget which). When did Porsche go broke?
When the economy took a nose dive, every company that was vulnerable really took a hit. GM who spent a ton of money on restructuring just to have the sales collapse on big SUVs and trucks due to high gas prices then the economy started to slow. Sales started to tapper off in 2007 but really took a big hit in 2008, and Porsche who over leveraged themselves so they can buy VW. Economy crashed and in just like 9 months Porsche was insolvent.
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Wow. Thanks for the info. That's news to me. Those finance guys really love their over leveraging don't they.

I actually don't feel bad for GM and the fact that the SUV market went tits up. I thought these guys knew better than to put all their eggs in one basket. They thought the price of fuel would stay low forever? Silly thinking. They should have been focusing on increasing sales in the world market.
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I actually don't feel bad for GM and the fact that the SUV market went tits up. I thought these guys knew better than to put all their eggs in one basket. They thought the price of fuel would stay low forever? Silly thinking. They should have been focusing on increasing sales in the world market.
You mean, they should have ignored what Americans wanted to buy? Hind sight is 20 / 20. If you've forgotten what it was like just before the Global Economic Crisis, just look around next time you're in a traffic jam...in my part of the world anyway.

SUVs of all sizes still dominate the horizon in So Cal.
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You mean, they should have ignored what Americans wanted to buy? Hind sight is 20 / 20. If you've forgotten what it was like just before the Global Economic Crisis, just look around next time you're in a traffic jam...in my part of the world anyway.

SUVs of all sizes still dominate the horizon in So Cal.
suvs are still in large numbers on the road however what is being sold has changed dramatically.

the market that is almost completely gone is the bog sub market which is tiny now. the suv market is dominated by car based suvs also the car/suv mix is in favor of cars now.

the real problem at GM comes down to their business model which was out of date. it was a business model that depended on selling the biggest and most heavily optioned cars to make the bulk of the profits. they should have dumped that business model after the 1973 oil embargo but they didn't.

they really put all of their eggs in one basket and that is always a bad idea.

now they have a much better mix of product so no matter where the market swings in the short or long term they can handle it. instead of just giving the us market to Japanese auto makers which they did for so long.
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17 or 18 months from now the new C7 will be at the local showrooms..

Maybe half of that and we'll get real information on the new corvette.

I for one love my c6 and the dealer network that services my car and I can't wait to have more news hit the net on what this amazing sports car can and will deliver..
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