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View Poll Results: Who would make the best President for the US?
Barack Obam 14 21.54%
Hillary Clinton 4 6.15%
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Old 03-30-2008, 10:06 PM   #61
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he seems to know whats best for right now, and i think he will be a great leader.

Did he tell us what's best for right now?
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This type of "what's best for us" scares the hell out of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

The biggest clue is either he hasn't a clue about the rest of the world or he is intending to move the U.S. to a position of being unable to defend ourselves.
Hitler signed many agreements. Without having sufficient strength to assure that agreements are followed would put us in the same position as many European nations before WWII. I prefer to play it safe and secure our future even at high cost. Those cost will not nearly be as high as the cost of losing the Republic.
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This type of "what's best for us" scares the hell out of me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

The biggest clue is either he hasn't a clue about the rest of the world or he is intending to move the U.S. to a position of being unable to defend ourselves.
Hitler signed many agreements. Without having sufficient strength to assure that agreements are followed would put us in the same position as many European nations before WWII. I prefer to play it safe and secure our future even at high cost. Those cost will not nearly be as high as the cost of losing the Republic.



"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. "

-Dwight D.Eisenhower

America got by just fine without a huge military for at least 100 years after the revolution, maintaining a empire does not benefit you and me, and today who is going to invade the United states, England, France? Spain? We need a good military thats a fact but we sure don't have a use for the biggest and best in the world.
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...We need a good military thats a fact but we sure don't have a use for the biggest and best in the world.
We ALREADY have the best in the world. How much stronger do we need to be?
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The United States spends over 600 BILLION dollars a year on defense.

THE ENTIRE REMAINDER OF THE WORLD spends 500 Billion. China, Russia and others like France and the UK spend around 50 Billion each.

Maybe it's because the value of the dollar is falling, because our economy has been ignored at the expense of projecting our will on others.

And the biggest excuse for spending all this money? Terrorists. People who are spending almost nothing.

What's wrong with this picture?
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We need a good military thats a fact but we sure don't have a use for the biggest and best in the world.

Where do I begin?


If you think for one second that the balance of power wouldn't be affected in a negative way with a dumbed down US military then you'd never understand the concept of a global military alliance. Think of it this way, some people in this country, for whatever reason, can not take care of themselves and thus rely on the government to provide assistance. Now on the grander scale, some nations in this world can't fully take care of themselves in terms of defense, thus they look to others to provide safety and security on a scale that is mutually benefitial to both parties.

If we don't have a use for the "biggest and the best", then who does? And what would we do if the "biggest and the best" decided they weren't going to play nice in the sandbox?
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Where do I begin?


If you think for one second that the balance of power wouldn't be affected in a negative way with a dumbed down US military then you'd never understand the concept of a global military alliance. Think of it this way, some people in this country, for whatever reason, can not take care of themselves and thus rely on the government to provide assistance. Now on the grander scale, some nations in this world can't fully take care of themselves in terms of defense, thus they look to others to provide safety and security on a scale that is mutually benefitial to both parties.

If we don't have a use for the "biggest and the best", then who does? And what would we do if the "biggest and the best" decided they weren't going to play nice in the sandbox?

Why do I cringe when I see that Ponch has submitted a reply to a thread?

So helping people in our own country who don't have healthcare or can't support themselves is inappropriate, but spending zillions to be the world cop is appropriate?
Maybe some of those countries we're defending should provide us with healthcare.

I'll bet a lot of people around the world now believe that the current "biggest and the best" has become the bully in the sandbox.

I still like Obama.
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Why do I cringe when I see that Ponch has submitted a reply to a thread?
Because you just don't get it.
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Because you just don't get it.



Maybe I need beer to understand, but it's too early to start drinking.

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Where do I begin?


If you think for one second that the balance of power wouldn't be affected in a negative way with a dumbed down US military then you'd never understand the concept of a global military alliance. Think of it this way, some people in this country, for whatever reason, can not take care of themselves and thus rely on the government to provide assistance. Now on the grander scale, some nations in this world can't fully take care of themselves in terms of defense, thus they look to others to provide safety and security on a scale that is mutually beneficial to both parties.

If we don't have a use for the "biggest and the best", then who does? And what would we do if the "biggest and the best" decided they weren't going to play nice in the sandbox?
Well I did some reading, and heres the numbers I found,

We have 73,000 troops in Germany, and they have a strong military

There are 40,000 Troops in Japan and they also have a military.

There are American troops in 132 countries of the world,
heres the list:
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Antigua
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belgium
Belize
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Bulgaria
Burma
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
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Colombia
Congo
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Cuba
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
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Egypt
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Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
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Georgia
Germany
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Greece
Guatemala
Guinea
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Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iraq
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Israel
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Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Latvia
Lebanon
Liberia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Malta
Mexico
Mongolia
Morocco
Mozambique
Nepal
Netherlands
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Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
Uruguay
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe


again we have not always been a super power and we got by just fine, this huge arms race with no one only benefits defense contractors.
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Well I did some reading, and heres the numbers I found,

We have 73,000 troops in Germany, and they have a strong military

There are 40,000 Troops in Japan and they also have a military.

There are American troops in 132 countries of the world,
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again we have not always been a super power and we got by just fine, this huge arms race with no one only benefits defense contractors.

Well that settles it, I call for an immediate 75% slash in military spending.
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I've changed my vote...

Poncherello for President!!
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Well that settles it, I call for an immediate 75% cost adjustment in military spending.
I think that sounds better

but that 337 billion dollars per year could go elsewhere like uh...ours pockets and into the economy and hey we would still have over 120 billion for an army to defend the United states, that sounds sufficient.
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The US has troops in North Korea??? and Switzerland, which is neutral???
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