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Old 06-18-2010, 05:31 PM   #106
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yeah that two, but how many women do you know that do that LOL
Hey hey watch it there Chili.

Totally with your previous post. I think you hit the nail on the head.
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We wouldn't be having this conversation if she had just shut the fuck up and taken her citation...
Nailed it, period.
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I support that officer 100%. He used appropriate force. Let that community leader live in an inner city neighborhood where police are not allowed to use force when assulted.
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Well, actually, yes, I completed personal qualification standards for Master At Arms (Military Police) while in the Navy.

But no, I'm not a LEO, however, you got your answer from the LEO you questioned, then you continually posted the same fucking question over and over. Eventually someone HAS to respond in such a manner as all of our other "appropriate" responses garnered no satisfaction from you what-so-ever.

Like my Dad used to say, "I HAVE to yell, when I'm nice you don't listen!"

What the hell is wrong with getting punched in the face anyway? It's JUST a punch to the face...
Actually, if you go back and actually read the thread, I asked the question of thinblue. You chose to respond to it, and answered with your opinion. I never repeated it after that, I responded to blckslvr79, and you again chose to answer, even though I didn't repeat the question. But whatever, if you want to give me crap for you answering questions that were never posed to you, go right ahead.
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Old 06-18-2010, 11:31 PM   #110
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Apparently the situation is boiling down after the news media blew it up so bad.

The 17 year old girl has since apologized to the officer in a private meeting that was held for interfering with his arrest and prosecutors have charged her with 3rd degree assault.

However the Officer is still under investigation for his actions.

I am glad to see that the woman herself has admitted fault. I also never heard anything of the woman trying to press charges against the cop, she probably knew she did wrong, it was the media once again that blew it all out of wack.

Hope this comes to a happy ending for both parties.
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Actually, if you go back and actually read the thread, I asked the question of thinblue. You chose to respond to it, and answered with your opinion. I never repeated it after that, I responded to blckslvr79, and you again chose to answer, even though I didn't repeat the question. But whatever, if you want to give me crap for you answering questions that were never posed to you, go right ahead.
This is a public forum...

They are called Private Messages for a reason.

Don't post it if you don't want an answer...
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How many times do I have to say it-yes, I'm all for using force, such as the tazer. If he had pulled out the baton, the pepper spray or the tazer, not an issue. But he didn't, he punched someone in the face-male or female doesn't matter. The only question I asked was whether or not that is an appropriated response to the situation from a trained LEO.
yes a fist is an appropriate response to an actively resisting person...she attacked him by pushing him (active aggression)...at that point he had a right to defend himself and a close fist is lower on the use of force than the other options you presented....
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yes a fist is an appropriate response to an actively resisting person...she attacked him by pushing him (active aggression)...at that point he had a right to defend himself and a close fist is lower on the use of force than the other options you presented....
Totally my way of thinking. I don't know why anyone would think that a cop cannot throw a hay maker. You are taught hand to hand combat for a reason. Although I would have tased the hell out of her, hay makers were definitely part of my less lethal arsenal.

What pisses me off if the officer's department claiming that he needs more training so quickly, publicly, without doing a thorough investigation first. They did a public satisfying, knee-jerk reaction to appease the disgruntled. I bet he'll turn his head to a lot of stuff from now on, which will totally kill his effectiveness on the street if he goes back to the streets.
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just another example of how ultimate political correctness will lead to our next civil war....
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This is a public forum...

They are called Private Messages for a reason.

Don't post it if you don't want an answer...
Once again, you totally missed the point. You remind me of this joke:

Leaving Minnesota for Colorado, I decide to make a stop at one of those rest areas on the side of the road. I go in the washroom. The first stall was taken so I went in the second stall. I just sat down when I hear a voice from the next stall...

- "Hi there, how is it going?"

Okay, I am not the type to strike conversations with strangers in washrooms on the side of the road. I didn't know what to say so finally I say:

- "Not bad..."

Then the voice says:

- "So, what are you doing?"

I am starting to find that a bit weird, but I say:

- "Well, I'm going back to Colorado..."

Then I hear the person say all flustered:

- "Look I'll call you back, every time I ask you a question this idiot in the next stall keeps answering me."
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Totally my way of thinking. I don't know why anyone would think that a cop cannot throw a hay maker. You are taught hand to hand combat for a reason. Although I would have tased the hell out of her, hay makers were definitely part of my less lethal arsenal.

What pisses me off if the officer's department claiming that he needs more training so quickly, publicly, without doing a thorough investigation first. They did a public satisfying, knee-jerk reaction to appease the disgruntled. I bet he'll turn his head to a lot of stuff from now on, which will totally kill his effectiveness on the street if he goes back to the streets.
Again, let me explain my thinking:

A "haymaker" punch is not something that says "I am in control of this situation." If you watch the video, the entire things screams "I have no control over any of this."

If you want to say he was attempting to "take it easy" on the first girl, then that led to him having to punch the second in the face.

It's not about whether or not an officer can throw a haymaker, it's about whether or not he should have had to in that situation.
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il be the one to call it like it is, this wouldnt even be news if it was a white cop decking some stupified white trash red neck for resisting. The problem is it is a BLACK female, but the problem is that it shouldnt matter because just because someone is weaker than you or a minority is no reason to change escalation of force.

I think the cop acted the best way he could have, and no matter how he handled it it was going to be bad for me just cause its white on black.

For those who think he should of tazed her? havent you seen all the vidios of cops getting hemmed up for tazing people who are un armed and only just a little UNRULY.

Baton? HAHA REALLY BAD IDEA, more cops have been sent to jail for beating black people with batons than shooting them.

and pulling is fire arm? you gotta be kidding. definetly the wrong thing to do in that situation of someone that is clearly un armed. However he made alot of mistakes.

He should have NEVER had his back to that many people, he failed to control the situation, it could of ended extremely bad for him.

Upon stopping the first person for jay waking he should of gotten backup right then. I know i would ask for atleast one squad car to back me up on ANY call or siituation

I also think that cops should never be alone, there should always be two per car.

I am definetly on the cops side here, and it really saddens me that we would not even be having this conversation if she wasnt black
Race has nothing to do with my assertation of this occurrence. I'm black by the way. I also agree that some black people are quick to use the so called race card as you say and white people are just as fast to place the race issue just as you've done here on this post and other posters have done on numerous threads on DC.
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Again, let me explain my thinking:

A "haymaker" punch is not something that says "I am in control of this situation." If you watch the video, the entire things screams "I have no control over any of this."

If you want to say he was attempting to "take it easy" on the first girl, then that led to him having to punch the second in the face.

It's not about whether or not an officer can throw a haymaker, it's about whether or not he should have had to in that situation.
There's nothing wrong with any officer throwing a punch when they need to. It should never had got to this point.
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... It's not about whether or not an officer can throw a haymaker, it's about whether or not he should have had to in that situation.
Here's where your inexperience as a LEO clouds your judgment of what should have been done and what had to be done.

What should have been done can be debated until the cows come home. It is easy to debate the incident after you have had time think about it for days. In the heat of the moment is a totally different scenario. The officer, realizing that he was loosing control of the situation because of someone interfering with him attempting to effect an arrest, needed to neutralize the interference before other individuals jumped in. Since he was dealing with a young, teenage female, he probably didn't want to beat her with a baton (if he had one on him). I cannot tell by the video if he had a taser so I can't speak for that being an option. However, any officer knows that a punch to the nose will stun a suspect and cause their eyes to water and interfere with their ability to see.

In every combative situation there is, taking away the eyes of the opposition is the number one objective that you try an achieve. If the opposition can't see, they cannot effectively fight.


As you saw in the video, this effectively neutralized the interference. This is exactly what mace does, although it is not clear if the officer had mace. A punch to the nose if landed is mace without all the burn.

Thus, a haymaker is an effective and acceptable way to neutralize a combative suspect.

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Race has nothing to do with my assertation of this occurrence. I'm black by the way. I also agree that some black people are quick to use the so called race card as you say and white people are just as fast to place the race issue just as you've done here on this post and other posters have done on numerous threads on DC.
I agree, race has absolutely nothing to do with this incident. Neither party said anything ethnically irresponsible during this whole affair. I haven't followed up on the Seattle minority community "leader's" responses but if anyone plays the race card in this situation, they are totally off base.

Another term that I have heard used is "these people". That is a term that should ALWAYS be avoided as it can be taken the wrong (or right) way. If by "these people" you mean jaywalkers, then say jaywalkers. If by "these people" you mean people who don't respect authority, then say so. If you just leave it at "these people", you can rest assured that someone will look at your post as one that has just played the race card.
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Not only would I have punched her in the face, but I would have knocked her into next year.
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