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Old 05-04-2009, 12:53 AM   #91
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Smart cars are not safe nor smart.
But seriously...

What is so smart about it?? It's small and actually pretty damned idiotic...
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So now we're comparing the inadequate riding abilities of some motorcylce operators to the safety or lack there of with a Smart car???? Way to spin.

Smart cars are not safe nor smart.
My point was that if you're looking at it from a pure "survivability" standpoint...SMART cars are safer than motorcycles because they offer more protection.

I don't understand the whole point of this argument about SMART cars NOT BEING SAFE because of their size....it should be pretty obvious that they're not as safe as most vehicles that are larger/heavier (I know there are exceptions).

If no one was ever willing to take the slightest risk in life, we'd all live in a reinforced, germ-free bubble, avoiding all potentially dangerous contact with anyone or anything. Now THAT's LIVING!

Being a pedestrian is potentially life-threatening
Riding a bicycle, skateboard, skis, roller-skates, motorcycle, etc. is potentially life threatening.

People have been killed while driving vehicles of ALL sizes/makes...

so this whole "SMART CARS ARE NOT SAFE" hype is just that....HYPE.

Is the potential for death resulting from collision with a semi or large SUV greater if you're in a SMART car rather than something larger/heavier??? MOST LIKELY....

People are risking their lives every day just by getting on a road/highway with other drivers/vehicles present or not present.

Just sayin'....
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The time will come when all cars have downsized that these cars will be practical. But if you do lots of driving on freeways in a metropolitan area, I just think their size disadvantage make them too risky. If you commute from home to work and never hit a freeway, maybe practical. My wife is a home health nurse and travels all over a 4 million person metro area every day. She has been wanting one of these to save on gas. I keep resisting because of safety and most of her driving is freeway. This thread might help her change her mind.
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My point was that if you're looking at it from a pure "survivability" standpoint...SMART cars are safer than motorcycles because they offer more protection.

I don't understand the whole point of this argument about SMART cars NOT BEING SAFE because of their size....it should be pretty obvious that they're not as safe as most vehicles that are larger/heavier (I know there are exceptions).

If no one was ever willing to take the slightest risk in life, we'd all live in a reinforced, germ-free bubble, avoiding all potentially dangerous contact with anyone or anything. Now THAT's LIVING!

Being a pedestrian is potentially life-threatening
Riding a bicycle, skateboard, skis, roller-skates, motorcycle, etc. is potentially life threatening.

People have been killed while driving vehicles of ALL sizes/makes...

so this whole "SMART CARS ARE NOT SAFE" hype is just that....HYPE.

Is the potential for death resulting from collision with a semi or large SUV greater if you're in a SMART car rather than something larger/heavier??? MOST LIKELY....

People are risking their lives every day just by getting on a road/highway with other drivers/vehicles present or not present.

Just sayin'....
Most reasonable sane argument on this thread. It was interesting .
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My point was that if you're looking at it from a pure "survivability" standpoint...SMART cars are safer than motorcycles because they offer more protection.

I don't understand the whole point of this argument about SMART cars NOT BEING SAFE because of their size....it should be pretty obvious that they're not as safe as most vehicles that are larger/heavier (I know there are exceptions).

If no one was ever willing to take the slightest risk in life, we'd all live in a reinforced, germ-free bubble, avoiding all potentially dangerous contact with anyone or anything. Now THAT's LIVING!

Being a pedestrian is potentially life-threatening
Riding a bicycle, skateboard, skis, roller-skates, motorcycle, etc. is potentially life threatening.

People have been killed while driving vehicles of ALL sizes/makes...

so this whole "SMART CARS ARE NOT SAFE" hype is just that....HYPE.

Is the potential for death resulting from collision with a semi or large SUV greater if you're in a SMART car rather than something larger/heavier??? MOST LIKELY....

People are risking their lives every day just by getting on a road/highway with other drivers/vehicles present or not present.

Just sayin'....
Even though this accident involved an 18 wheeler, statistically, the odds are that if you are involved in an accident, it will probably be with another car. In that event, you are certainly better off if you are in a vehicle of the same or larger size. At 60 mph on a freeway, I would rather have 3000 lb. vs. 3000 lb than 1500 lb vs 3000 lb.
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Even though this accident involved an 18 wheeler, statistically, the odds are that if you are involved in an accident, it will probably be with another car. In that event, you are certainly better off if you are in a vehicle of the same or larger size. At 60 mph on a freeway, I would rather have 3000 lb. vs. 3000 lb than 1500 lb vs 3000 lb.
I absolutely agree...and the chance of me getting killed on my motorcycle is surely greater than if I'm in a SMART car or other cage...

But I'm not gonna quit riding just cause I'm more likely to get killed on my bike than in a car. I wanna LIVE my life...not worry about statistics...
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And what percentage of accidents are 70mph barrier crashes???? Theses "tests" are a joke. That's only two cars hitting each other at 35 mph! I wouldn't call that a real world comparison!

Let's look at just a couple "real world" situations...




But hell yeah!! This one against a fixed wall is realistic!


And if this imbicel owns one, well then, they must be good!
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I found the link to some of those photos, the guy in the black smart car was ripped in half!
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I don't think I'd fair any better if that semi tractor climbed the front of my Z or ran over my motorcycle.
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I don't think I'd fair any better if that semi tractor climbed the front of my Z or ran over my motorcycle.

You keep copy and pasting the same thing!
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But I'm not gonna quit riding just cause I'm more likely to get killed on my bike than in a car. I wanna LIVE my life...not worry about statistics...
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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But I'm not gonna quit riding just cause I'm more likely to get killed on my bike than in a car. I wanna LIVE my life...not worry about statistics...

Just be careful. We had two motorcycle deaths this weekend in Ft. Worth. Both were experienced middle aged bikers who somehow got in a bind and lost control. Keep alert and wear a helmet.
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You keep copy and pasting the same thing!
Nearly...but not quite.

I just think it's a bit hilarious all the commotion about the SMART cars "lack of safety"...

I can't recall the last time I heard such an outcry over an "unsafe" vehicle...let's see...must have been the Pinto...or maybe the Corvair.

People who buy these cars know what they're getting when they buy them...or they should, if they've done any research at all. If not, they have no one to blame but themselves.

I just don't think everyone's tuning into DC and canceling their orders or purchases of SMART cars because of what they see/read here.

I believe most of them are making adult decisions based on advertised fuel economy. If that's the case, and they're adults...they accept the risks when they take delivery.
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Just be careful. We had two motorcycle deaths this weekend in Ft. Worth. Both were experienced middle aged bikers who somehow got in a bind and lost control. Keep alert and wear a helmet.
Thanks!

I always ride defensively and ALWAYS wear a helmet. I realize (despite my 35+ years of riding experience) mine could be the next death by motorcycle accident. That's the risk I take...there are no guarantees for any of us, despite experience, training, protective equipment, etc.
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They let you split lanes again in CA? They stopped that after I left in 1990. It sure made the commute a lot faster when I did it.



I'm not aware that they ever stopped. If so I've been breaking the law all this time and the cops have been ignoring me. Last time I checked the CA vehicle code (a year or so ago) splitting lanes was not prohibited. It is officer's discretion if he wants to pull over a rider for being unsafe.
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Nearly...but not quite.

I just think it's a bit hilarious all the commotion about the SMART cars "lack of safety"...

I can't recall the last time I heard such an outcry over an "unsafe" vehicle...let's see...must have been the Pinto...or maybe the Corvair.

People who buy these cars know what they're getting when they buy them...or they should, if they've done any research at all. If not, they have no one to blame but themselves.

I just don't think everyone's tuning into DC and canceling their orders or purchases of SMART cars because of what they see/read here.

I believe most of them are making adult decisions based on advertised fuel economy. If that's the case, and they're adults...they accept the risks when they take delivery.
If that's so, then that means that, as an adult, I can make adult decisions that affect my life like, oh, I don't know, choosing to wear my seatbelt or not?

I always do, hell, half the time my seatbelt is on before I crank the engine but I don't like the fact that Sammy says I HAVE to when operating a motor vehicle yet that guy who just passed by on a motorcycle doesn't have to wear one.

I'm an adult, and can make adult decisions that affect my life, or can I?
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