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Old 01-25-2007, 04:46 AM   #16
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Sounds like you have been listening to Bush to much
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:46 AM   #17
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It's the styling and "made in America" I'm interested in, so if all the vettes were mid engine thats fine, so long as I can still get my hands on the spark plugs without great difficulty. My old 96 z28 was a PITA to get to the plugs and exhaust manifolds, and half the engine was under the windshield. To me, if they bury the engine in the vette, I wouldn't be a very happy puppy....
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:33 AM   #18
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I'm thinking a mid engine corvette will no longer be an affordable vehicle for many folks.

Ponch, if we're talking about the $100k Blue Devil. Limited affordability is a given, along with limited availability and future collectability. This model will not neccessarily have anything to with the vette that you and I drive, or will drive in the future - unless you intend to cough up 100 large - I don't.

I think this rumor is mis-founded. The Blue Devil has been rumored to be labeled a "C7", but NOT the next gen Mid-level Corvette (yours and mine today).

It all comes down to what kind of statement GM wants to make with the top dog vette. Pure performance using the Enzo model would result in a nice, but not opulent interior in a street legal C6R with lots of Z06 under a slightly more radical skin (this expectation seems to be popular with the car magazines).

If the XLR is going to be allowed to fade into the sunset (seems like the path chosen by the consumer) and Cad leaves the sports car market, the $100k Vette could follow the 5xx(Maranello) series package formula and take performance and content up to a world level with all new skin, yet more posh than an Enzo modeled offering.

I don't think they have the resources, the time, or the BOD commitment to do either of the above, so it will likely be a compromise car (sort of an Enzo/Viper-type package) that will be, essentially, a Z06 tuner that will look even more like the C6R. Popular appeal (those of us who can't afford it) will be great = Bragging Rights. It will be produced in very limited numbers assuring a customer demand greater than the limited supply.

Also, I look for this one to be built on the XLR assembly line. Either along side the XLR to better utilize the capacity calability of that line, or alone if the XLR is cancelled - very possible. If the XLR IS cancelled, look for more unique models (maybe not all vettes) to follow to try to fill up that section of BG. JMHO
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Old 01-25-2007, 05:06 PM   #19
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This is from a very respectable auto journalist.


Calling him respectable is like calling his story true. Neither are correct.
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Old 01-26-2007, 12:37 AM   #20
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Where is moore rb? He posted this rumor before the C6 was out. I'd love to see this car happen,keep the base and Z06 front mid-engine for the masses,then make the SS rear mid. I read GM still has plans to build the Cien and a version of the Sixteen. So you fade out the XLR,and build a (shared platformed) Mid engine SS Corvette,and a Cien on the XLR's assembly line.
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Where is moore rb? He posted this rumor before the C6 was out. I'd love to see this car happen,keep the base and Z06 front mid-engine for the masses,then make the SS rear mid. I read GM still has plans to build the Cien and a version of the Sixteen. So you fade out the XLR,and build a (shared platformed) Mid engine SS Corvette,and a Cien on the XLR's assembly line.
What the heck are these other cars that you're mentioning?
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:19 AM   #22
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What the heck are these other cars that you're mentioning?
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CIEN SIXTEEN I'm saying the top one (XLR) shares platforms and is built along side the C6. GM is rumored to have future plans for the bottom two (Cien,Sixteen).If they fade out the XLR they will have a open assembly line at the Bowling Green plant. They could build the Cien on that line and share it's mid engine platform with the Corvette SS.
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One word about the Cien: WOW. I've seen the XLR, I just didn't know the name. I thought the XLR was cool untill I saw the Cien. Now I agree with you,-scrap the XLR and start building the Cien and the rear/mid engine 'Vette.
I think they should try to come up with a better name for the caddy though.
Any word on what the engine will be?
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Old 01-26-2007, 03:14 AM   #24
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I think they should try to come up with a better name for the caddy though.
Any word on what the engine will be?
Cien is Spanish for 100,it was made to celebrate Caddy's 100th Anniversary. The engine is a 750hp Northstar V12,but I don't know what if will have if it's produced.
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The middle one is from the movie island. I didn't think GM loans out cars for movies, so my guess is it was made FOR the movie.
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Only to people who've never driven a real mid-engine-behind-the-driver car hard.

If they can bring it in at something close to current Vette prices, I'm all for it.
Or to someone that has attempted to drive a mid-engine-behind-the-driver car in inclimate weather or someone who has been rear ended in a mid-engine-behind-the-driver car, or someone who has had a medium to high speed frontal crash in a mid-engine-behind-the-driver car or someone who has ridden in the noisy cockpit of a mid-engine-behind-the-driver car.

Sorry owned a couple of mid-engine-behind-the-driver cars. For the avarage Corvette customer, the advantages of a mid engined car are dwarfed by the the long list of disadvantages of a mid-engine-behind-the-driver design.

Never happen IMO. GM will not risk losing most of their current customer base.

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Calling him respectable is like calling his story true. Neither are correct.
What are you talking about, this guy is one of the better known auto journalists in Detroit.
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As far as the blurb, they are talking about a rear mid engine in small quantities just to tell other manufacturer's FU and the rest being front mid.
There are other rumors suggesting that all of the C7s will be rear-mid, which makes a lot more sense business-wise. The obvious leap from there is that the XLR will be replaced by something like the Cien, and it's possible that that's a key driver for the business case. I don't see GM in its current state being able to sell the Board (or even Lutz) on two separate premium sports car platforms, even if one is handbuilt in tiny volumes. I see this as an up-or-down thing -- either all of the C7s and the next Cadillac sports car will be rear-mid, or they won't, period.

DeLorenzo gets most of his "insider" tidbits off of message boards, FYI, same as the rest of us. Allpar busts him on it all the time.
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The middle one is from the movie island. I didn't think GM loans out cars for movies, so my guess is it was made FOR the movie.
The Cien concept was out years before The Island... I think it debuted in the year 2001 or so, and the movie came out in 2005.
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The Cien concept was out years before The Island... I think it debuted in the year 2001 or so, and the movie came out in 2005.
OK, in that case put me on the list for the 700hp version from the movie!!!
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