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Old 11-09-2013, 08:43 PM   #1
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When the shit hits the fan.....

.....you got rocks for brains if you think your gonna out gun it....



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Very high power fire aircraft, unfortunately sometimes flown by cowboys who shoot first and then think
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One bad ass flying machine, loved watching them fly overhead at the ranges in Germany. Flip to one side or the other then turn on a dime. Heard a few of them fire the main gun from many miles away. Still very impressive and unforgettable.
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Very high power fire aircraft, unfortunately sometimes flown by cowboys who shoot first and then think

I don't know where you got the idea that there are pilots that "shoot first, and then think". That is absurd!

My son is a pilot in the U.S.Air Force. This is one of many photos he sent me. I can assure you, that no pilot fires indiscriminately, and then thinks about it later. Not one!

These pilots are highly trained professionals, not "cowboys"!


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These pilots are highly trained professionals, not "cowboys"!
Thank you. Fluffy IS French so sometimes you've just got to overlook little misconceptions. And this pic is just a little poking fun right back. No harm intended.



Of course, French pilots are a bit more grounded than we are.



And these Marines were also Cowboys. If not for men like them the French may be speaking German today.

And......today is the Birthday of my Marine Corps. This happened almost a hundred years ago at Belleau Wood to help free the French.

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U.S. forces suffered 9,777 casualties, included 1,811 killed.[1] Many are buried in the nearby Aisne-Marne American Cemetery. There is no clear information on the number of Germans killed, although 1,600 Germans were taken prisoner.[20]

After the battle, the French renamed the wood "Bois de la Brigade de Marine" ("Wood of the Marine Brigade") in honor of the Marines' tenacity. The French government also later awarded the 4th Brigade the Croix de guerre. An official German report classified the Marines as "vigorous, self-confident, and remarkable marksmen..."[21] General Pershing—Commander of the AEF—even said, "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle!"[citation needed] Pershing also said "the Battle of Belleau Wood was for the U.S. the biggest battle since Appomattox and the most considerable engagement American troops had ever had with a foreign enemy
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Sorry, but A-10 pilots have a bad reputation.

This is not a blanket statement for all pilots, on all ships, this is a specific position with regards to the A-10 Thunderbolt/Warthog pilots.

Sorry to offend you, but past historical facts such as the incident 40 clicks north of Basra on 03/28/2003 don't support your statement nor does the incident on 02/26/1991.

To say this isn't true is just being in a state of denial.
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Thank you. Fluffy IS French so sometimes you've just got to overlook little misconceptions...

I hear you, unfortunately I've gotten a little gun shy living in an area loaded with Progressives, and Liberals.

They see a photo of a war plane, and assume the pilot is a war monger, and a child killer.

The American flag is just another piece of cloth, and you're a racist if you so much as question Obama.

However, had I noticed that Mr. Fluffy was from France, and most likely formulates his opinions through the media, I would have ignored his comments. Thanks...
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Sorry to offend you, but past historical facts such as the incident 40 clicks north of Basra on 03/28/2003 don't support your statement or the incident on 02/26/1991.
Yep, that proves your point. Under the high stress environment of aerial combat and tens of thousands of sorties flown, there were two incidents involving those rogue Cowboys. Tanks blow up friendly tanks, B-52's have hit US troops and pretty much "Shit Happens". It's neither optimal nor acceptable but mistakes will always happen, especially during combat.
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Sorry, but A-10 pilots have a bad reputation.

This is not a blanket statement for all pilots, on all ships, this is a specific position with regards to the A-10 Thunderbolt/Warthog pilots.

Sorry to offend you, but past historical facts such as the incident 40 clicks north of Basra on 03/28/2003 don't support your statement nor does the incident on 02/26/1991.

To say this isn't true is just being in a state of denial.

Ya know, I may be new here, but your motives can be seen by a blind man.

Typical French,... we Americans die by the thousands to hand you your country back, not once, but twice, and you use every opportunity to denigrate us. I can only hope that the next time France is occupied, America will look the other way.

The incident of 28, March 2003 was nothing more than an unfortunate case of friendly fire, that resulted in the death of a British soldier.

Friendly fire is an unavoidable unfortunate by-product of any war, at anytime in history. The pilots involved were never found guilty of anything more than that. They were sick over the mistake, and shame on you for implying that they were some kind of "cowboys", playing yahoo with their weapons!
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The 174th TFW out of Syracuse flew A-10s for many years before upgrading to F-16s (and now, sadly, to Reaper drones). It was always fun watching the A-10s line up on semis on the adjacent NYS Thruway just for practice. Kind of disconcerting to see them in your rear view mirror, popping up out of nowhere, spinning around on a wingtip, and doing a "low and slow" right above you. A very capable and rugged aircraft.

And you do have to forgive Fluffy. Comments on the military from the French are . . . Well, comments on the military from the French. That's enough of a joke right there, no punch line necessary. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, but I don't expect anyone to be calling the French for close air support anytime soon.
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... Comments on the military from the French are . . . Well, comments on the military from the French. That's enough of a joke right there, no punch line necessary. He's certainly entitled to his opinion, but I don't expect anyone to be calling the French for close air support anytime soon.



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..just a little FYI, having been my first fire fight being caught
in an ambush during Vietnam, being pinned down for hours
calling in artillery strikes that made little or no difference in the
onslaught of rounds being thrown at us as RPG's are taking
out our vehicles leave you wondering if your going to get out,
until the awe of seeing and hearing Cobra and Huey gunships
coming in a low level paving the ground with red steel being
followed up with F-4 Phantom laying out blankets of Napalm.
There NEVER will be a more awe inspiring time in my life to
witness the bravery of those pilots that took on so much heat,
I will always be thankful and grateful for their service ALWAYS.
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..just a little FYI, having been my first fire fight being caught
in an ambush during Vietnam, being pinned down for hours
calling in artillery strikes that made little or no difference in the
onslaught of rounds being thrown at us as RPG's are taking
out our vehicles leave you wondering if your going to get out,
until the awe of seeing and hearing Cobra and Huey gunships
coming in a low level paving the ground with red steel being
followed up with F-4 Phantom laying out blankets of Napalm.
There NEVER will be a more awe inspiring time in my life to
witness the bravery of those pilots that took on so much heat,
I will always be thankful and grateful for their service ALWAYS.

On behalf of my son, (U.S. Air Force), and myself...AMEN!
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If your son is in the USAF, ask him what the perception of that unit is. Irrespective of the country, all armies have good units and other units have their defects.

Insulting me, or the French Army, won't change the perception of the Warthogs pilot, nor has it had impact to my festivities of the day.

In general, the nice thing about an opinion is that it is like an ass-hole: everyone has one.

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Fluffly....what I see is that War is not a perfect science
nor is it a perfect anything other than a fight between armed
forces with a nominal outcome of death and destruction. It
always has its causalities either intended or collateral. Those
that have crossed those lines of innocent lose of life it is a sad
fact of war. But those same individuals could have saved
countless others in daily military actions and if so "I" would not
judge them as to those other actions. If you ever had to
experience war as defined you would understand those
thoughts that could trigger "anyone" to become as per 'se
rouge pilots. Even as I was fighting back during that ambush
I was scared to death of dying and knew in my heart that no
matter who was firing back at us from the tree line; man,
woman, or child it was going to be dead if I could invoke it, I
was 18 years old then but I knew what ever age you were its
hell and if God chooses to send me back when the time comes,
so be it. I hold the Highest Regards for those that fly no matter
what.
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