how to leave AMERICA DEFENSELESS

[Waco]

Originally Posted by grumpyvette

this JERK wants to strip AMERICAS MILITARY, make us easy targets , NEGOTIATE WITH IRANS MULLAS and throw our allies to the wolves

http://msunderestimated.com/2008/03/...ilitary-video/

He wants to end the war, okay.

He wants less nuclear weapons stockpiling, good.

He mentioned nothing about Iran nor "throwing our allies to the wolves."

What's the problem again?

[HardcoreABN]

we have a long tradition of not negotiating with terrorists. the president of iran was, is, and always will be- a terrorist. He was involved and participated in the embassy take over in iran that had us citizens held hostage by iranians for over a year. he was 1 of them. we do not negotiate with terrorists.

russia was a completely different animal. it had a centeralized power base, and little was done that the polit buero did not approve. the islamic fanatics have no such centeralized power. there are many differences, but i dont feel like typing them at the moment, as I have to go get ready to meet and greet more grateful and supportive iraqi citizens.

as for not finding any wmd, did you know that saddam burried an entire AIRFIELD so that he would have an airforce when he returned to power. a us soldier found it by tripping over part of an aircraft. what is to say that a lot of the wmd has and is still burried, considering there are tons of it that the un cannot account for.

[duneripperxx]

Originally Posted by Caged_Bird

THE IRAQI PEOPLE WANT US THERE! They love us and are grateful that we freed them. I'd say that all you need to do is ask one, but you can't, you are too worried about gas prices.

Which half of Iraq?
The Sunnis, or the Shiites?

[duneripperxx]

Originally Posted by vfpreacher

Or it just doesn't get reported. Check out the "declassified" documents.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

were those the mustard gas, or the junk we sold them?

We knew those were there 20 years ago.

[duneripperxx]

Originally Posted by HardcoreABN

we have a long tradition of not negotiating with terrorists. the president of iran was, is, and always will be- a terrorist. He was involved and participated in the embassy take over in iran that had us citizens held hostage by iranians for over a year. he was 1 of them. we do not negotiate with terrorists.

russia was a completely different animal. it had a centeralized power base, and little was done that the polit buero did not approve. the islamic fanatics have no such centeralized power. there are many differences, but i dont feel like typing them at the moment, as I have to go get ready to meet and greet more grateful and supportive iraqi citizens.

as for not finding any wmd, did you know that saddam burried an entire AIRFIELD so that he would have an airforce when he returned to power. a us soldier found it by tripping over part of an aircraft. what is to say that a lot of the wmd has and is still burried, considering there are tons of it that the un cannot account for.

Russia is almost as bad as Iran.
Just in a different way.

[Z0607]

Originally Posted by Caged_Bird

No, we didn't kill 3,000 of their civilians.


BTW, I've said this before but I guess it fell upon liberal ears.

According to the “official” Bush Administration version of the events on 9/11, of the nineteen hijackers, their countries of origin and numbers were as follows: Saudi Arabia (15), United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt (1) and Lebanon (1). Well, the United States is certainly teaching those countries a lesson, huh?

[Caged_Bird]

Originally Posted by Z0607

According to the “official” Bush Administration version of the events on 9/11, of the nineteen hijackers, their countries of origin and numbers were as follows: Saudi Arabia (15), United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt (1) and Lebanon (1). Well, the United States is certainly teaching those countries a lesson, huh?

We aren't in Iraq because of 9/11. The reason I said that is because the liberal machine said that we Americans are terrorists for freeing the people of Iraq.

Basically, Bush wanted a reason to go into Iraq, I don't know why the Bush family has a problem with Iraq but hopefully, now that Saddam was hanged, it's over and that's behind us.

Personally, I never agreed with us going into Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but we went there, and we started something, it is our responsibility and our duty to finish it. We don't want to just pull out and let Iraq become another post-WWI Germany because we all know how that turned out.

I never thought I'd see the day when my wonderful country would be called "terrorist" by one of it's own citizens. It only proves to me that my theory is correct, which is that you should have to EARN your citizenship by serving at least two years in our nations military, but then that would be taking away the freedom of choice which is what made this country so great to begin with.

But I digress, for we have gotten waaaaay off topic, to bring us back on topic I offer this:

Yeah, that's a good idea, let's disarm ourselves so the terrorists can just walk in and take over, good job dumbshit.

I hope and pray with all my heart that you, Obama, NEVER EVER achieve office, it will be the end of this nation if you do.

[mrvette]

I happen to like that Chinese fellow, Sun Tschui (sp?)....Art of War.....

First off, we take the troops outta there, ALL of them from everywhere, we pull out diplomatic types out, and advise the Brits to quietly do the same....

We instantly through the use of computers, BANKRUPT the central banks of ALL islamic countries....by stealing their assets and deposit USA Treasury, this pays off our debt ......the buck immediately heads NORTH on the currency markets.....

we start lobbing bombs from NAVAL forces into their power centers, from platforms they simply can NOT TOUCH in retaliation....take out the....

power plants, transportation, communications, WATER (it's a desert!), we do this to the entire islamic cult at once all over the world.....wipe out any chance of ANY of their major cities to survive, the resulting acts of nature will kill anyone left....riots, fine love it .....we hit those mosques on the BEST most perfectly packed daze of worship...kill as many as we can....then fly over with leaflets the like of which make those european cartoons seem mild.....totally mocking their allah and showing him/them to be totally powerless to put a stop to us/their plight......

as for Bin Laden, one of our demands is his head on a platter along with his top 1000 guys, quite literally along with DNA, only we do not stop then....

we continue to eliminate the islamic cults untill there are NONE left......


before you all condemn me as nutz or something, think of this....the resounding CHEER from EVERY border country along the islamic cult empire would totally drown out the crying from within that empire.....
the whole world could breathe a sign of relief, from SE asia, India, Africa, EUROPE, and YES, even Russia (who has had a thousand year war with islam wether we see it or not)

Lets think positive and progresssive about this for once and forall, quit bellyaching and pandering to the problem, the problem is OBVIOUS, and I dont give a shit how many 'STATE' department folks want to cry the liberal mantra....'why can't we all just get along'.....the answer is obvious....it's written in their damn koran...i'ts a freeking beleif system with them, the very CORE of that beleif system is their 'god' allah and their religious leaders, which need be destroyed from top down.....with total and complete ridicule....


UNTILL we do the above, and we continue to enrich that cult with OUR hard earned money, we are voluntarily enslaving ourselves to stupid people ruling supid people, and tolerating their bullshit, which makes me wonder about OUR collective stupidity....really....

as for the GREENIES and their collective stupidity, THEY are the reason we are having to fight this war in the FIRST place....but that's another post sometime......

[Barney 5]

Originally Posted by Z0607

“Here’s the truth: the Soviet Union had thousands of nuclear weapons and Iran doesn’t have a single one. But when the world was on the brink of nuclear holocaust, Kennedy talked to Khrushchev and he got those missiles out of Cuba. Why shouldn’t we have the same courage and the confidence to talk to our enemies? That’s what strong countries do, that’s what strong presidents do, that’s what I’ll do when I’m president of the United States of America."

.”

I would only hope that someone could please show this idiot the video of Nicholas Berg and then ask him if he still wants to play tiddlywinks have tea with terrorists regimes. The Russians may have been Communists like Obama, but they weren't savages. And Kennedy didn't simply "talk to Khrushchev" he told Khrushchev under no uncertain terms that if he didn't immediately remove his missiles from Cuba and turn his ships around that the shooting would start and we would let the chips would fall where they may. Something that took balls... another thing that Obama is clearly lacking.

[duneripperxx]

Another point on wepons.

Our country has a bad habit of companies developing high tech weapons and selling them to other countires.

IMHO, that should be stopped.
Imagine if our predator rc jet was unknown to the world.
We could have taken out the Iranian leader and nobody would have known for sure who did it.
We sold our spyplanes to china, missle defence systems, our new microwave raygun hummer is up for sale,

We have micromachines under development the size of butterflies that can fly indoors and kill a human.
But we keep showing it off and putting it up for sale.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by duneripperxx

Another point on wepons.

Our country has a bad habit of companies developing high tech weapons and selling them to other countires.

IMHO, that should be stopped.
Imagine if our predator rc jet was unknown to the world.
We could have taken out the Iranian leader and nobody would have known for sure who did it.
We sold our spyplanes to china, missle defence systems, our new microwave raygun hummer is up for sale,

We have micromachines under development the size of butterflies that can fly indoors and kill a human.
But we keep showing it off and putting it up for sale.

You can say thanks for THAT to the one world socialist commie elitists that run the world.....they got a glimpse of the world from outer space, and let it go to their airheads that gee, it's a 'one world afterall' type thing, while it is NOT, and clearly hopefully never WILL be, except unless or course islam cults really DO take over the world.....then we all will die off.....

[midnite902]

Originally Posted by HardcoreABN

we have a long tradition of not negotiating with terrorists.

A more accurate statement would be "We have a long tradition of not negotiating with terrorists we don't like."

We supported Ngo Dinh Diem in his undermining of free elections in Vietnam in 1955 in favor supporting the formation of a Republic without elections. We ignore the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, China, and others while holding other countries feet to the fire for similar violations. We supported the Shaw of Iran and ignored the human rights violations there. Same with Egypt.

We ignore domestic problems but give millions to nations to address similar problems.

IMO, we need to focus on our problems, our border security and improvements to our country and stop trying to be the World's babysitter.

[HardcoreABN]

well, sometimes you have to choose the lesser of 2 evils. we had supported the mujhadeen against russia, because they were more of a threat to us. there is no real black and white when dealing with such affairs.

if you look at how long and what went on during the occupation of japan and germany, you will find they are very similar to that of iraq. it takes, on average, 9-12 years to win an insurgency war.

it is the shiites that are happy, they are the majority in the country and were oppressed by the few sunnni's in power. people say we went there for oil. if that was the case why didnt we take over the oil facilities and claim them as ours?

[the machine]

Originally Posted by Caged_Bird

We aren't in Iraq because of 9/11. The reason I said that is because the liberal machine said that we Americans are terrorists for freeing the people of Iraq.

Basically, Bush wanted a reason to go into Iraq, I don't know why the Bush family has a problem with Iraq but hopefully, now that Saddam was hanged, it's over and that's behind us.

Personally, I never agreed with us going into Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but we went there, and we started something, it is our responsibility and our duty to finish it. We don't want to just pull out and let Iraq become another post-WWI Germany because we all know how that turned out.

I never thought I'd see the day when my wonderful country would be called "terrorist" by one of it's own citizens. It only proves to me that my theory is correct, which is that you should have to EARN your citizenship by serving at least two years in our nations military, but then that would be taking away the freedom of choice which is what made this country so great to begin with.

This is probobly the most rediculas post I have ever read. Caged bird seems to be on the verge of a break down.

I never said we were terrorists...I asked if Grumpyvette was saying that we were.

But now you say "Basically, Bush wanted a reason to go into Iraq, I don't know why the Bush family has a problem with Iraq but hopefully, now that Saddam was hanged, it's over and that's behind us."

I have to ask...in your mind does invading a country just because one of our families has a problem with that country, sound like the USA that we and the world has loved for centuries? Bush has done great harm to the standing of our country in the eyes of the rest of the world. He is a war criminal, by the standards that you just gave. No different than the terrorists that we condemn, no different than any other dictator that has invaded any other soveriegn country for personal gain.

While we are on the topic of the word terrorist...which you find so horrible that the mear implication of the US being labeled one sends you over the edge...you may want to keep in mind that this tactic of war (yes it is a tactic of war) has been used by many countries in the past. In our revolutionary war, we used tactics that were completely against the rules of war at the time, and would have been equaly as appauling then as we find terrorism today. We targeted officers (unheard of at the time). We hid and ambushed the enemy (far from the proper way of meeting on the battlefield face to face). We planted bombs on british ships. We shot and hung loyalist supporters.
In modern times we dropped two atomic bombs...the only country to ever do so...on mostly civilian populations. We had to do this, it saved millions of lives, but was non the less horrible.

War sucks, and if you want it conducted by rules then you better find another occupation. I for one would blow up the women and children of any nation who occupied my country and killed my wife and children. If all I could do was strap on a bomb and hug the nearest guy in that army...you know I would to avenge my family and end the suffering of missing them. If I had lost my wife and children on 911...there would be a large hole in the ground somewhere were Osama Bin Laden had been standing or I would have been shot dead trying.

Rules of war are set by the last victors of war to keep them the victors...unfortunatly history has shown time and time again that those rules are constantly rewritten by the people who come under the thumb of those victors.

[duneripperxx]

Originally Posted by midnite902

A more accurate statement would be "We have a long tradition of not negotiating with terrorists we don't like."

We supported Ngo Dinh Diem in his undermining of free elections in Vietnam in 1955 in favor supporting the formation of a Republic without elections. We ignore the human rights violations in Saudi Arabia, China, and others while holding other countries feet to the fire for similar violations. We supported the Shaw of Iran and ignored the human rights violations there. Same with Egypt.

We ignore domestic problems but give millions to nations to address similar problems.

IMO, we need to focus on our problems, our border security and improvements to our country and stop trying to be the World's babysitter.

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