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Old 07-01-2005, 11:57 AM   #31
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Doc - I consider myself a pretty good track driver (5 years experience of 30 days/year). I consistently post better times than others with "faster" cars. However, there is no way I would ever be able to drive a Z06 around the Nordschliefe in under 7:40. Almost certainly not even under 7:50 and I'd be lucky to break 8 min. There are MANY who have died trying (around 10 every year since the 1930's). Have you watched many in-car videos from that track? It's insane! Aside from astounding natural ability, good judgment, and lenghty instruction, you need to be absolutely fearless. That is a FAST track (100mph AVERAGE speed) through undulating and blind corners (over 100 corners in all)with uneven surfaces and no runoff areas. Few would survive long enough to learn the track well enough to set those sort of times. It's not called the Green Hell for nothing...
you never know what you are capable of until you try it.
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Old 07-01-2005, 12:07 PM   #32
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you never know what you are capable of until you try it.
I appreciate the benefit of the doubt, but it's unlikely that I'll ever find out. It's illegal to time or videotape yourself there anymore, due to all the lost drivers. If you're ever in Germany though, I highly recommend a few laps. It's maintained as part of their highway system. You just buy a ticket for a set number of laps and off you go.

Something I will definitely do someday (but I won't attempt to break 8 min )
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Doc - I consider myself a pretty good track driver (5 years experience of 30 days/year). I consistently post better times than others with "faster" cars. However, there is no way I would ever be able to drive a Z06 around the Nordschliefe in under 7:40. Almost certainly not even under 7:50 and I'd be lucky to break 8 min. There are MANY who have died trying (around 10 every year since the 1930's). Have you watched many in-car videos from that track? It's insane! Aside from astounding natural ability, good judgment, and lenghty instruction, you need to be absolutely fearless. That is a FAST track (100mph AVERAGE speed) through undulating and blind corners (over 100 corners in all)with uneven surfaces and no runoff areas. Few would survive long enough to learn the track well enough to set those sort of times. It's not called the Green Hell for nothing...
There is a huge difference between a pretty good track driver an someone who has a job with a world leading GT1 car and that team just won the 24 hours of lemans

But more than just(!) 7 minutes 40 seconds, thats not 7:4X.
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If you do not have the balls for riding yourself you can hire the so called Ring Taxi for 50 Dollars one lap.
This is a fleet of M-BMWs - one is driven by nice lady Sabine Reck. But do not spit on the floor.

To get an impression about the Ring load down this video clip (approx 10 MB). Sabine is driving the white BMW.

---> http://carfreaks.b0nk.net/200209_Sabine.WMV

Still haven't found a scanner for the article.

BTW - Walther Röhrl (not Rohl) is a multiple Rallye (off-road) World Champion. Walter von Saurma is the Chief editor of the Magazine "Sport Auto" and a 24 hour driver.
The VLN 24 hours on the Ring starts tomorrow.
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If you do not have the balls for riding yourself you can hire the so called Ring Taxi for 50 Dollars one lap.
This is a fleet of M-BMWs - one is driven by nice lady Sabine Reck. But do not spit on the floor.

To get an impression about the Ring load down this video clip (approx 10 MB). Sabine is driving the white BMW.

---> http://carfreaks.b0nk.net/200209_Sabine.WMV

Still haven't found a scanner for the article.

BTW - Walther Röhrl (not Rohl) is a multiple Rallye (off-road) World Champion. Walter von Saurma is the Chief editor of the Magazine "Sport Auto" and a 24 hour driver.
The VLN 24 hours on the Ring starts tomorrow.
Frank - please scan asap

BTW, it's "Horst" v. Saurma, not Walter, since we're being picky. My keyboard doesn't have an umlaut...
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Thumbs down!

If this track time turns out to be accurate (not doubting the thread starter, but maybe the magazine) it's an incredible time!

A 7:40 N-Ring time not only matches one of the Carrera GT's earlier runs (okay so it was bad weather), but it beats the time (estimated from a video) of a McLaren F1 by 5 seconds!



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Here is some lap time data:

Nordschleife exluding GP track 20.6 kms:
7:01 --- 176.152 km/h -- Manthey Porsche GT3 race car, 493 hp (2004), http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:10 --- 173.100 km/h -- BMW M3 GTR, 450 hp/1350 kg, Jörg Müller (practice 24hrs race 2003)
7:12 --- 173.600 km/h – Radical SR3 Turbo race car, 320 hp/500 kgs (test drive 07/2003)
7:12.25 173.500 km/h – Schnitzer BMW M3 GTR, Dirk Müller, 24 hrs practice 2002
7:18.01 169.311 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 hp/670 kg, M. Düchting, sport auto 12/2004, http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13957
7:19 --- 168.929 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/new...iefe/index.php
7:20* -- 168.545 km/h -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, 500hp, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:21 --- 168.163 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 650 PS (Autocar magazine 1997)
7:25 --- 168.651 km/h -- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl,(Autobild July 2004)
7:32.44 163.911 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma (sport auto)
7:32.52 163.882 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 2001) http://www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp, Michelin Sport Cup R , Mattias Ekblom
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche GT3 RS, stock but Pirelli P Zero Corsa, Mattias Ekblom, ams
7:40* -- 161.217 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, *cold and partially wet track (sport auto 12/2003)
7:40 --- 161.217 km/h -- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig (Autobild 07/2004)
7:41 --- 160.868 km/h – Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp (AutoBild 07/2004) http://www.manthey-motors.de/nextsho...pdf.asp?id=217
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Mosler MT900S Photon, Joao Barbosa, 2004 (according to dailysportscar.net)
7:42 --- 160.519 km/h -- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street, 620 hp/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/2002)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Röhrl (MOTOR Magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 2002)
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 580 hp/1820 kg (sport auto 07/2002)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600hp (2000)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 hp/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2001)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/200), http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652hp (sport auto 1999)
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381hp (sport auto 03/2004)
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche GT3, 392hp (AutoBild 2004) http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testbe...rtikel_seite=4
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 hp/1207 kg (sport auto 02/1999)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne 1993 (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL (sport auto 08/2003)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Blitz Supra, 750hp, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 hp/1450 kg (sport auto 06/2002)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h – Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine, http://nurburgring.free.fr/Vids/Bren...x504_1_350.avi
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h – BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp, http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/det...opic_id=731907
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 1995)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (sort auto 12/2003)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (port auto 06/2004)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h – Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582bhp/1678kg, (sport auto 03/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=27415
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 hp/1387 kg (sport auto 02/2004)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 hp/1569 kg (sport auto 06/2000)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600hp/1558 kg (sport auto 05/1998)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Performance”, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59 --- 154.822 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:02 --- 154.338 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Sport”, (Walter Röhrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
8:03 --- 153.540 km/h -- Porsche 911 GT3, 360 hp/1391 kg (sport auto 08/1999)
8:04 --- 153.223 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo GT, 575 hp/1620 kg (sport auto 07/2000)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1, 580 hp/1820 kg (sport auto 12/2002)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM settino “Standard”, Walter Röhrl (WHEELS 06/2004)
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera S, 355hp/1461kg (sport auto 05/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=36440
8:05 --- 152.907 km/h – Ruf CTR, http://www.lad.lv/~martini/porsche/V...rburgring1.wmv
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:07 --- 152.279 km/h – Ferrari 550 Maranello, 485 hp/1724 kg (sport auto 06/1998)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Honda NSX-R, 320 hp/1467 kg (sport auto 08/2002)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Modena , 400 hp/1464 kg (sport auto 10/1999)
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- Lamborghini Diablo SV, 520 hp/1590 kg (sport auto 12/1997)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h – Aston Martin V8 Vantage (Top Gear feb,2005)
8:10 --- 151.114 km/h -- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411 hp/1567 kg (sport auto 10/1997)
8:10 --- 151.347 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 180R, 210 hp/650 kg
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 hp/1651 kg (sport auto 04/2002)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- BMW M5 (E60), 507 hp/1844 kg (sport auto 12/2004), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=13956
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 hp/1324 kg (sport auto 05/1999)
8:13 --- 150.426 km/h -- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 hp (sport auto, 10/2004)
8:14 --- 150.120 km/h – Mercedes SL 65 AMG, 612 hp/2049 kg (sport auto 01/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=23337
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 hp
8:15* -- 149.818 km/h -- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- 149.818 km/h -- Porsche 997 Carrera 2 (Walter Röhrl - WHEELS 06/2004)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36, 350 hp (sport auto 11/1997)
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster, 450 hp/1557kg (sport auto 01/2005) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=18724
8:16 --- 149.516 km/h -- Aston Martin DB9, 457hp (sport auto 11/2004) http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=10114
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Aston Martin V12 Vanquish, 515 hp/1775 kg (sport auto 01/2003)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 911 Carrera (sport auto 06/2001)
8:17 --- 149.215 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 2, 320 hp/1399 kg (sport auto 02/2001)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- BMW Z8, 400hp/1651 kg (sport auto 08/2000)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344hp (sport auto 09/2003)
8:18 --- 149.916 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380 hp/1350 kg (sport auto 06/1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 hp/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/2001)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- BMW M3 E36, 321 hp (Autocar magazine 1997)
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h – Porche 993 GT3, Walter Röhrl (Car magazine 10/1999)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M3 E46, 343 hp/1584 kg (sport auto 12/2000)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- BMW M Coupe, 321 hp/1445 kg (sport auto 10/1998)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7 GT, 442 hp/1833 kg (sport auto 07/2003)
8:23 --- 147.435 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 4, 300 hp/1466 kg (sport auto 01/2002)
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h – Mercedes SLK 55 AMG, 360hp/1566kg (sport auto 04/2005), http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?v...ID=2&tID=31462
8:24 --- 147.143 km/h -- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (company test driver in 2004)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Audi RS4, 375 hp/1675 kg (sport auto 10/2000)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Corvette Callaway C12, 400 hp/1564 kg (sport auto 04/1999)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI, 300 hp/1466 kg (sport auto 11/1999)
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h – Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG, 354 hp/1480 kg (sport auto 05/2001)
8:26 --- 146.561 km/h -- Nissan 350Z, 280 hp/1526 kg (sport auto 10/2003)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- BMW M5, 400hp/1833 kg (sport auto 03/1999)
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277hp
8:28 --- 145.984 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera 2,285 hp/1452 kg (sport auto 01/1998)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG, 347 hp/1593 kg (sport auto 05/2000)
8:29 --- 145.697 km/h -- Audi S4 4.2 Avant, 344 hp/1826 kg (sport auto 11/2003)
8:30 --- 145.412 km/h -- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa, 320 hp/1593 kg (sport auto 10/2002)
8:31.--- 145.130 km/h -- 2006 CADILLAC STS-V, 440hp/1948 kg, http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=101519
8:31.42 145.008 km/h -- Ferrari F355, 380hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 192hp
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW M Roadster, 321 hp/1410 kg (sport auto 09/1997)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG, 231 hp/1396 kg (sport auto 05/2003)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Porsche Boxster S, 252 hp/1386 kg (sport auto 12/1999)
8:32 --- 144.844 km/h -- Volkswagen Golf R32, 250hp
8:33.80 144.336 km/h -- Honda NSX (6-speed) Coupe, 276hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- Acura NSX, 276hp
8:34 --- 144.280 km/h -- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 hp/1350 kg (sport auto 04/2001)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- BMW M3 SMG E36, 321 hp/1515 kg (sport auto 03/1997)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé, 426 hp/1635 kg (sport auto 02/2002)
8:35 --- 144.000 km/h -- Opel Speedster Turbo, 220hp
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321hp
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (sport auto 07/1999)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Jaguar XKR Performance Kit, 363 hp/1703 kg (sport auto 09/2000)
8:36 --- 143.585 km/h – Porsche Boxster ´03, 228 hp/1370 kg (sport auto 02/2003)
8:36.42 143.604 km/h -- BMW M3 EVO, 321hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Maserati 3200GT, 370 hp/1614 kg (sport auto 09/2002)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/2001)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo, 218 hp/1290 kg (sport auto 03/2000)
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.0 (sport auto 07/1991)
8:37.10 143.415 km/h -- Nissan GTR V, 350hp (Top Gear maagzine)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8, 400 hp/1592 kg (sport auto 12/1998)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Honda NSX 3.2, 280 hp/1386 kg (sport auto 08/1997)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL500, 306 hp/1852 kg (sport auto 12/2001)
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h – Renault Megane Sport Trophy “sport auto” edition, 225hp/1371 kg (sport auto 6/2005), >>> http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=40016
8:38 --- 143.166 km/h -- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296hp
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Honda S2000, 240 hp/1275 kg (sport auto 01/2000)
8:39 --- 142.890 km/h -- Morgan Aero 8, 286 hp/1193 kg (sport auto 04/2003)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- 142.615 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic, 344 hp/1505 kg (sport auto 07/1997)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Aston Martin DB7, 420 hp/1847 kg (sport auto 01/1999)
8:41 --- 142.342 km/h -- Audi S3, 210 hp/1489 kg (sport auto 06/1999)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi S4, 265 hp/1592 kg (sport auto 08/1998)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8 quattro w. ESP, 225 hp/1461 kg, (sport auto 07/2001)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h – BMW Alpina B3 3.3, 280 hp/1495 kg (sport auto 07/1999)
8:42 --- 142.069 km/h -- Lotus Exige, 179 hp/796 kg, (sport auto 11/2000)
8:43 --- 141.797 km/h -- Honda Integra Type R (sport auto 12/2000)
8:44 --- 141.527 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:44.83 141.303 km/h -- ChevroletCorvette Coupe, 339hp automatic (Top Gear maagzine)
8:46 --- 140.989 km/h -- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285hp
8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 hp/1246 kg (sport auto 11/2001)
8:48.25 140.388 km/h -- Porsche 911 CarrerA, 285hp (Top Gear magazine)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Jaguar XKR Coupe, 363 hp/1703 kg (sport auto 07/1998)
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Renault Clio Sport V6, 226 hp/1381 kg (sport auto 07/2001
8:49 --- 140.189 km/h -- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 hp/1461 kg (sport auto 11/1998)
8:50 --- 139.925 km/h -- BMW Alpina B10 3.2, 260 hp/1600 kg (sport auto 04/1998)
8:50* -- 139.925 km/h -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (sport auto ??/2000)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h – Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, 231 hp/1350 kg (sport auto 05/2002)
8:51 --- 139.661 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG, 306 hp/1571 kg (sport auto 12/2001)
8:52 --- 139.398 km/h -- Mercedes Benz CLK 430, 279 hp/1564 kg (sport auto 09/2001)
8:54 --- 138.897 km/h – Porsche Boxster, 204 hp/1325 kg (sport auto 01/1997)
8:54 --- 138.932 km/h – VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary, 180 hp, 1320 kg (sport auto 01/2002)
8:55 --- 134.579 km/h – Dodge Viper SRT-10, 500b hp (sport auto 10/2004)
8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/2004)
8:58 --- 133.829 km/h -- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (sport auto 07/1997)
9:07 --- 135.576 km/h -- Mercedes SLK 230, 195 hp/1356 kg (sport auto 05/2001)
9:09 --- 135.802 km/h --Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion, 204 hp/1455 kg (sport auto 01/2004)

References:
Horst von Saurma, sport auto magazine
Motor Commodore magazine, 25th anniversary edition,* = times estimated
Autocar 12/97 same-day test, driver Stephen Sutcliffe,
EVO magzine 07/2000, same day, different drivers
>>> http://www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/misc/print.php
Top Gear Magazine 10/97 same-day test, 2 professional drivers (best times listed:
>>> http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Media/ma...s/magazine.htm
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Old 07-01-2005, 03:18 PM   #38
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Most likely this is not the 'official' time as released by Chevrolet, but rather a spy report by somene hanging out trackside with a stopwatch and camera.

EDIT: Its been corroborated by more than one person who was present. Looks like 7:40 is it.
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Most likely this is not the 'official' time as released by Chevrolet, but rather a spy report by somene hanging out trackside with a stopwatch and camera.
Exactly, which lends credence to the possiblility that it could be the Blue Devil being timed, since they look so similar from the Autoweek photo....
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7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)
This always cracsk me up.. I am sure glad Dave Hill isn't our "company test driver".. hehe
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Very few, but if you were given let say 100 laps to learn that track Im sure that you would learn the track. Unless ofcorse your IQ is 70 or lower then no you wouldnt be able to learn the track.

I agree that there is skill involved with these lap times but Im sure that many if given the time on this track can get near enough to 7:40 and some just might break it.

That makes me laugh,,, you make it sound like its easy! The thing about the north loop is that its one of the scariest tracks around,,, virtually no runoff room and the track is very narrow... Sure if the track was hugely wide and the runoff was huge then more people could get close to the ultimate time.
For this very reason, I don't really like all the emphasis on ring times.... It places a higher emphasis on the drivers limits than the cars.
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That makes me laugh,,, you make it sound like its easy! The thing about the north loop is that its one of the scariest tracks around,,, virtually no runoff room and the track is very narrow... Sure if the track was hugely wide and the runoff was huge then more people could get close to the ultimate time.
For this very reason, I don't really like all the emphasis on ring times.... It places a higher emphasis on the drivers limits than the cars.
Then again, maybe that's what makes the 'Ring time so important - that the car must be so exceptional that it allows drivers with the skill to extract all they can from the track - and a lesser car would fail in the hands of such skilled drivers.

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Exactly, which lends credence to the possiblility that it could be the Blue Devil being timed, since they look so similar from the Autoweek photo....
There is little reason to believe that the autoweek photo is the "blue devil." The only evidence they cite for this claim is what an observer called a "supercharger whine" and the fact that it was running "faster than Z06 times." Being as there are Z06s there right now, testing, I find it far more likely that the car Autoweek saw (along with this car) is just a regular, plain ole Z06.
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"7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (company test driver Dave Hill)"


Never mind finding out if the C6 Z did 7:40, we don't really know if the C6 ever had an official time. At first Dave Hill said the C6's time "wouldn't be as good" as the C5 Z. Now, not only is it the same time as the C5 Z (7:56) but here it says Dave Hill actually drove the car (unless he's just being quoted).
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Thanks, GrantG. So these times are more or less ran for ( a street legal manufacturer's "bragger's rights") more than anything else, I guess. Or is there more to a Nurburgring run?
The Ring is an accepted standard by which cars are judged. It is a very long course that has a good combination of hills, straights, and curves. A good, and consistant, run on the Ring can be compared against cars throughout recent history since the course is so long and is well maintained.

The point of giving Ring times is this: if the Enzo does X and you can get close to X, and those results are repeatable, then the car is said to be as fast as the Enzo on a road course. In this case, the Z06 is showing times that beat incredibly expensive exotic cars.

In essence, yes, this is purely for bragging rights.
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