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Old 03-22-2008, 08:53 PM   #31
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I am not to about to buy a .50 cal bad ass ..


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Ile just stick with what my thread is about. I got two large dogs , so the slightest creek of the front door / window breaking i should have enough time to whip out a hand gun.
Remember one thing.....Practice, Practice, Practice......and you'll be good to go.

Ok that was 3 things.
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Remember one thing.....Practice, Practice, Practice......and you'll be good to go.

Ok that was 3 things.
Although one of those .50 cal's would be sweet to shoot .. from a mile away


But yeah i plan on taking classes.. dont ever want my kids getting a hold of a gun thinking its a toy.
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Midnight I believe this is the 1st time I'm going to disagree with you. Our dept had Beretta 92FS 9mm pistols. About 10 years ago I was one of the officers assigned to research the ballistic difference between 9mm, .40cal, and .45cal. The .45 was cut out of the equation early because of price for ammo. The 9mm has greater muzzle velocity and terminal velocity than the .40cal, BUT the 9mm loses too much energy compared to the .40. Energy is what you need for subsonic rounds hitting a living target to get the maximum effect desired. We went with the Glock 22 (.40cal) and ditched the Beretta's (which I bought mine cheap )

Did you know that a 9mm FMJ even has a hard time penetrating a car windshield? Yep, tested it myself and only 50% penetrated, while over 75% of the .40cal penetrated. Even the 50% that did penetrate, their deflection was so great that it was very unpredictable where the next one would go.

I recommend anyone using a .40cal for home defense get 180gr JHP rnds.
I understand your argument as I have heard it before from a friend of mine that was an LAPD Detective. He lost some money to me when my Model 39 S&W with IMI Blacktips shot clean holes thru Iron Frying pans while his .357 mag with Military FMJ hot loads would dent and crack the frying pan but would not penetrate cleanly.

If you did not test the Hush Puppy ammo, give it a try in your Beretta. I do not doubt the 40 has a more knockdown and penetration than the 9mm. The unreal expansion of the Hush Puppy bullet in soft tissue makes it an excellent self defense choice. FYI, EBR makes a Hush Puppy subsonic for your .40 as well.

In this case the goal was maximum stopping power with minimum energy after the first penetration. A light round loses more energy after the first hit than a heavy bullet. I think that is the goal here?

I like the .40 but I did not see enough advantage to switch out my handguns. I am sure my tests and experiences were no where near as scientific or thorough as your tests.

My favorite is my old Model 39 Steel Frame S&W because it feels like and extension of my hand, will handle the IMI Blacktip and the thin handle just feels right in my hand. I have newer 9mms from S&W and Glock but the 39 just feels right. I also have a Marlin 9mm Camp Rifle that uses the same magazines as my 59 S&W 9mm. That pair have been my Motorhome set for a long time. I have taken game with the Marlin and the 59. I love the Sigs and H&Ks but they are too expensive for me. The Beretta 92 may be obtained used for a nice price at most local gun shows. My hand cannon is a .44 mag Target Gray Ruger Super Redhawk. A good conversation piece and hunting handgun but not my cup of tea.

As Punk Boy advocates, a Remington Model 1100 12ga sits next to my bed with 5 shots ready to go in house defense. My model 39 hangs from my bedpost in a combat sling ready to back up the Remington. No children in my house so I can have my guns handy. That is not an option for a family man.

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if it's for home defense, 12 ga with bb shot. will take out the perp but not go through the drywall behind it. tested that one out a while back in a field. it would go through the first layer of drywall, but not the second.
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if it's for home defense, 12 ga with bb shot. will take out the perp but not go through the drywall behind it. tested that one out a while back in a field. it would go through the first layer of drywall, but not the second.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

shotguns will penetrate more than you think....
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shotguns will penetrate more than you think....
They have an awful long draw as well...
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Why are you leaning toward a .45?

If you want a good shooting gun for range and home defense, and are set on a handgun then consider a .40. Less recoil, cheaper ammo, less tendency for over penetration, but still has knockdown power.
.40 SW...........(short and weak) get the .45 and learn to make reloads!
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I'm a huge fan of the .40. (ballistics are similar to that of the .45) Although the Glock is not for everyone, I find (personally) that it is a uncompromising no-nonsense weapon with reliability second to non (not to mention the ease of field stripping and cleaning.) All that aside, it's not so much the caliber you choose, it's being efficient with your weapon and being able to hit your target. Proper training and practice are paramount.
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.40 SW...........(short and weak)
Yeah.....OK.....If you say so.
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Yeah.....OK.....If you say so.
short cousin of the 10mm
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short cousin of the 10mm
You must be talking about the .45. If I had to choose between a .45 and a 10mm, I'd take the 10mm anyday. The ballistics are WAY better.
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You must be talking about the .45. If I had to choose between a .45 and a 10mm, I'd take the 10mm anyday. The ballistics are WAY better.
The 40SW is a shortened 10mm and yes the 10mm is powerful.......too much so! I'll stick to the .45acp for daily carry.
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Sawed off DOUBLE BARELL shotgun.
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Sawed off DOUBLE BARELL shotgun.
1. illegal

2. only 2 shots

it's useless
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1. illegal

2. only 2 shots

it's useless
True. If it's for home defense take a flare gun, have a sleeve made for it, pop a shotgun shell in it and you can take out the whole room with that one shot. It's legal, and it works.
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