We're doing something a little different here. You will see this first post grow and grow. Rather than make you sift through dozens of posts on a dozen threads, we will be placing all we learn about the C8 and any informative links into this post for the next week or so...and there is a LOT, all coming fast. Hope you find this LONG, LONG thread more efficient. If not let me know. Our goal is to keep you informed, quickly, and simply. Like any other thread, please post your comments and questions and let's discuss this new history-making C8.
8/16/19 Another performance bit from GM
The Stingray WITHOUT the Z51 option is capable of 194 MPH. The Z51 option includes a downforce-inducing aero package that improves handling but reduces the car’s aerodynamic efficiency at highest speeds. So the top speed of the Z51 is "only" 184 MPH. The handling improvements due to the aero bits kick in at much lower speeds so the vast majority of Vette drivers will feel and appreciate those Z51 handling improvements more than the extra MPH at top speed.
8/16/19 How does the C8 compare to the super cars costing much more?
Top Speed has not always been a fan of the Corvette, but in the article linked below, they compare the C8 with the sports car elite and they do it fairly.
8/14/19 Early Look at GM pricing out tomorrow
Top speed of the Stingray is 194 MPH and production begins in late 2019
Starting prices include $1095 Destination Charges. See package equipment in GM letter below:
- 1LT = $59,995
- 2LT = $67,295
- 3LT = $71,945
Options not included in the ?LT above:
- Z51 = $5,000 (includes Performance exhaust, more details below)
- Performance Exhaust = $1,095 (included with Z51)
- 2" lift not included with any package above = $1,495 Available only on 2LT and 3LT
I've not seen anyone talk about this, but IMO one of the most important features (it will potentially save big $$$) included in the 2LT package is the front parking camera. Look at the profile of the C8 and check out that front over hang. Now look at an overhead shot looking down on the front of the C8. I sat in one and could not see the tip of the nose over the steering wheel. The front parking camera, coupled with the optional 2" front lift system, could save many a splitter and bumper nose touch up. Parking in parking structures, near buildings, tall sidewalks....parking anywhere daily these will combine to save much heart ache and considerable $$$, IMO. Even if yours will be a garage queen, at some point you will take it out and when you stop somewhere you will need to park it. JMHO
Sorry but GM pricing notice did not provide pricing for the seat options and/or colors/material options. Nor was there any mention of the MRC pricing. The bullet points above are the only prices GM will provide the notice to be shared tomorrow.
8/13/19 Will there be a sister Cadillac 'C8'?
GM explained that Caddy key fob we saw, saying that more than halfway through the development, Management decided that the C8 must use the new 'GM Global B electronic architecture' and the only vehicle using this at the time was the Caddy CT5. So a CT5 key fob was modified to be used for the C8 and some one leaked some of the modification work in process pics. GM also confirmed that the electronic problems publicized as the cause of the delay of the introduction, were caused by challenges of resolving the challenge of adapting and integrating that Global B system into the already developed C8 system. As one might expect, GM programmers and engineers successfully overcame those challenges.
Does this mean there will be no Caddy sister C8 model? Not exactly, it only means that the fob we've seen was NOT for a development sister car. Makes the C8 Caddy not as certain as we once thought. Maybe it will happen, maybe not.
8/13/19 Maintenance on the C8
Ferraris, McLaren's, Lamborghini's; all mid engine sports cars that cost an arm and a leg to maintain. Ferrari oil changes are about $200 and a major service starts North of $5k. A McLaren oil change costs about $8k and annual running costs are about $30k. Why? Because up front engineering didn't focus on anything except performance, parts sales, and Dealer profits. Not a GM car and not GM's idea of performance value. An Oil Change for a C8 might cost a bit more because it uses 9 (typo correction) quarts of oil (down from the C7 Dry Sump 11 Qts) but NOT due to a lack of planning. Below are a couple of pics of the bottom of the C8 and of the oil filter/drain specifically. The full bottom shows some of the panels cutaway. In the upper left quadrant of that pic, the blue item is the oil filter. The bottom pic shows the filter with the panel on. Looks like Jiffy Lube or Garage dude could change the oil. If THIS is the same level of Maintenance engineered into the rest of the car …. and it IS given the desire to sell tens of thousands C8s each year not 499 La Ferraris, then break the molds. C8 = Performance Value at a new high level.
8/10/19 GM Color and Options Timeline for Initial Orders
Corvette Blogger has published the following:
BG will start with six colors in the first two weeks of production and all of those are upper trim models. We don’t see anything that specifies Z51 so we assume the Performance Package will be orderable from the start. Once a month from September through December, dealers can place orders based on the following criteria while each new month adds to the colors and options offered previously. These orders are for Production for January February and March:
September (Weeks 1-2 production)
October (Weeks 3-5 production)
- Arctic White, Black, Torch Red, Shadow Gray, Sebring Orange, Ceramic Gray
- 2LT/3LT – Base
- 2LT/3LT – w/Magnetic Ride (No Front Lift)
- 2LT/3LT – w/Front Lift and Magnetic Ride
November (Weeks 6-9 production)
- Elkhart Lake Blue, Long Beach Red
- 2LT/3LT – w/Front Lift (No Magnetic Ride)
December (Weeks 10 & beyond production)
- Blade Silver, Zeus Bronze, Accelerate Yellow
- 1LT – w/o Magnetic Ride or Navigation
8/9/19 GM Pricing on all trim levels to be released on 8/15/16
8/8/19 Easy pairing of your phone
- All Colors Available
- 1LT – w/Magnetic Ride (no Nav)
- 1LT – w/Nav (No Magnetic Ride)
- 1LT – wMagnetic Ride and Nav
Sounds a bit too good to be true, so perhaps this feature only works on certain of the newest phones(?). Regardless, we are told that once you select the correct icon on the large center infotainment screen, you need only hold your phone up to the screen and click a button to pair it with the car's system. Touted as "One touch Pairing." As long as we are on the subject of phones, make sure that you notice the wireless smart phone cradle at the bottom of the waterfall. Just drop your smart phone into the secure cradle and it will be charged.
8/7/19 So you are thinking about a C8 but you are concerned about having it serviced by someone with more Malibu experience and knowledge than Corvette. From GM:
Corvette has always been a vehicle that requires advanced training and service tools beyond the requirements of the other vehicles in the Chevrolet portfolio. The process to become a Certified Corvette Dealer has remained the same from the seventh generation...
If the dealer is not a current Corvette dealer it would be “under” $20,000 to buy C8 servicing tools, depending on what the dealer had already. And if a Chevy dealer is already selling Corvettes, then additional tool costs are minimal.
- Opt-in to be a Corvette certified dealer.
- Complete the required web-based online courses and attend in-person training at our Spring Mountain Corvette Spring Driving School. The content of the program combines in-vehicle driving and handling skills, with in-classroom training on customer experience and product knowledge.
- Maintain a Corvette Sales Specialist on staff in their dealership.
- Purchase the necessary tools to service the Corvette.
Translation: The vast majority of Special tools required to work on a C8 are the same as those required for the C7.
NEW Dealer category for 2020
New for the launch of the C8 is that some Chevy stores will be becoming Signature Corvette Dealers, a step "up" from the Certified Corvette Maintenance Dealers. Signature dealers also opt in to send additional sales specialists, managers or advisors through the Spring Mountain training.”
8/2/19 Connell Chevrolet C8 Tour visit (Costa Mesa, Ca)
Just returned from a visit to a C8 Dealer showing about 20 miles from my house. I'd post pics, but none of mine are as good as those already in the post elsewhere. I asked the Rep some questions and made some observations:
1) Most interesting new info; NONE of the cars we have seen, cammoed, reveal cars, touring cars, etc. NONE were built at Bowling Green. Every one of these cars has been assembled manually by humans. AND when the tour is over and BG production begins, EVERYONE of the completed C8s existing today WILL BE CRUSHED AND SCRAPPED.
2) My wife and I did get to sit in it and move the seats to a comfortable positions. The driver's view is not quite go-kart like but I suspect that going down the road will be similar, but 'closer,' than Porsche 911s I've ridden in.
3) The seat (GT-2) seems to be weirdly solid considering it is soooo thin. Guess that's the Carbon fiber. Adjustment took time, but I was like the 1000th guy today to sit in it.
4) Asked the GM rep how thick the glass is behind the cockpit ahead of the engine bay. He said he was not positive about the exact thickness but he has seen it as a part and it looks to be about 3/4'. He said, "You will not hear the engine in the cockpit." I asked, "How long will it take to drill a hole in it so I can hear the engine" and he didn't laugh, just said that the exhausts can be heard and are adjustable for each of the driving Modes (tour, sport, etc.)
5) I was surprised that the Sky gray seats still looked very nice in this C8. They are almost white but even if they were cleaned daily, I though they would look more 'used.' This was the 4th display and #3 was at the Petersen Museum so a LOT of weight has moved in and out of those seats. BTW it was the Elkhart Blue Metalic with the 3LT solid sky gray seat and dark gray dash with white? or gray? stitching and is beautiful but certainly not as practical or easy to take care of as black or even that dark red.
6) Getting in and out of the car. Although the C8 is lower than my C6, it felt easier get into and out of - shorter distance between your foot on the ground and the floor of the car(?). Just a casual observation that might be subjective. My wife said she thought it was harder to get out.
7) The doors are massively thick but don't feel heavy.
8) I was completely wrong about the black edge liners of the side scoop. It is hard material, not soft flexible Endura. Carelessly opening the door could hit you in the thigh 'make its point.'
9) I've never been big on too many ground affects because most look like JC Whitney, Mullet tack-ons, but this Z51 had an unpainted soft, grainy "running board" along the bottom of each side that looked like it would prevent some road rash without affecting ingress or egress.
10) The styling. For some strange reason the designers loved that flat "M" on the leading edge of the C7 front splitter, so they not only repeated it on the C8 splitter, but added it again in the front edge of the frunk lid. I don't like it, but because it follows the styling lines, when closed it is subtle. The nose itself is very pointed making the total length....well LONG. Longer than most midengined cars and MUCH longer than my C6. But in person it just looks like it's going 80 MPH sleek, not big.
If I didn't cover something you have a question about, please post your question and if I'll try to answer it.
Bose 14 speaker C8 system - Most speakers and loudest Bose has ever made - see their vid here:
The Stingray will eventually offer a Track Edition Special Package
Corvette Color and Trim Manager, Brett Goliff, accidently let it slip that the GT3 shown at the reveal …. "This version is for our track car, so there is a special track version of the vehicle that you can get that comes essentially as more of a black-out package that then comes in with this entire competition seat with the performance textile fabric. And it’s awesome.”
...OR maybe he was just avoiding saying "Z06" ???
We're still adding links and information daily. Please keep checking back on this post.
SIMCOE MISPOKE - GM has made an official correction to his statement below. Replace the word "year" the phrase first "wave of allocations." This means that almost all of the C8's that will hit dealer floors from January through March or May (exact month unknown at this time) are reserved/sold. That said some of these reserves could either be sold to others, or get deposit refunds. Regardless, the second wave of 2020 C8 production will begin either after March or May and that wave is NOT close to being sold out. Therefore, we have a slightly different demand message than Simcoe's foot in mouth statement below. Makes more sense too. The Vert specifics and order form has not been released yet so how can it be sold out? Today we found out that it isn't and reading into the Official Fall reveal of the vert, it will begin production during the second wave of Bowling Green production & allocations.
“I think the orders have already hit the first year of production numbers,” Michael Simcoe, GM design chief said at the Concours d’Elegance of America on Saturday 7/27/19. Later he spoke directly to Autoblog.com and told them, "It’s nearly sold out. It’s so close that it’s bound to be sold out soon."
IMO, this means that even those dealers NOT placing a surcharge mark up on the C8, will hold back a few of their allocations (not accept orders for them) by ordering to inventory and once it is official that Year 1 is sold out, we will see some serious dealer mark ups unless GM puts their foot on the dealers' necks. I'm not even certain that GM can legally negatively respond to mark ups. FWIW
Two more related thoughts:
1. We do not know the production capacity of the new BG plant, but it IS the first year so guessing they will start slow and build up to 'best speed.'
2. Whatever the production capacity, part of it will be dedicated to right hand drive production. The Aussies, for one, have been promised production right drive since before the C7. Holden plants are now closed so as far as I know, they are GM V8 starved. Give the excitement here, at least a handful will also be headed to Japan, the UK, Ireland, South Africa, Hong Kong and Singapore. So maybe a couple of hundred at the most in year 1. Also, expect an allocation of mostly left hand drives to go to the EU. First year new gen should sell 2-3,000 in Europe.
GM Official release pics:
The intent of the following pics/vids is to show you what the colors look like out in the world. Showroom settings with florescent lights don't really show the color any better than the reveal LED lights. Some pics might be in the shade, but still outdoors in natural light. Click on the link ABOVE the pic not the pic!
Shadow Gray Metallic
Sorry this one is not outside, but who could not be impressed with this combination?
In the rain, not the Sun, but ….. black so....
Sebring Orange Tintcoat
Torch Red and White (or maybe Sky Gray?)
Blade Silver Metalic or Ceramic Matrix Gray Metallic
We have two different reports of this color. IMO it looks more like a VERY light Gray than a silver.
Elkhart Lake Blue Metallic
Long Beach Red Metallic Tintcoat
Good Sun on this one. Definitely darker than my Monterey Redtint in the shade yet orangy in the direct sunlight compared to mine.
Blade Silver Metalic
Lots More Official Pics
Utility concern? Trunks:
TWO sets of clubs in the trunk in this pic:
Pic & Vid from the Tustin Reveal:
Bronze with tan and blue interior:
The official debut of the Vert AND the C8.R that will compete at LeMans will be this fall. However, we get peaks at both in the GM Video. The hard roof panel will motor fold and slip between the engine and a hard deck much like past Vette Verts...except the rear engine and the hard top of course.
Here's how the roof is broken down into smaller sections:
Vert Prototype caught in the wild with an odd styling feature
Stop this vid at the 40 second mark and look at the strange things sticking up in the back window, approximately aligned with the inside edges of each seat. Some sort of a roll bar or what?
The GM Video including Vert and C8.r:
Stop the vid at 13 seconds to see what I think are the steering wheel controls for the movable wing and stop at 30 seconds to see the slot that enables the wing to be adjusted while racing. Guessing this have a gps programmable adjustment plus the SW over rides capable of optimizing down force when needed and in a more passive position when needed.
495HP OHV V8, 470 lb-ft tq, Z-51 0-60 sub3 seconds, 8-speed dual-clutch automatic with a manual-shift mode (faster shifting than any 3 pedal pro driver), Targa top, Fronk can hold a couple of bags and a larger cargo area at the rear can fit a couple bags of golf clubs, No confirmed price and obviously, I was completely wrong about a frunk vent.
Niceties and Specs:
The Interior Explained by Head Designer
Standard Features on the Sub-$60k C8
Even the C8 brakes are 'Smart'
- There are two keyholds now for mechanical entry. One is very near the driver entrance pad, but on the rear half of the car not the door and the other is BEHIND the screwed on license plate at the rear (I have no idea or guess what the logic is for that second location).
- The battery is located under the frunk, ahead of the passenger, close to the "not-a-firewall-anymore."
- PASSENGER SIDE MEMORY - two settings for the passenger side 18 way power seats.
- Roof mounted rearview camera sending image to the inside rearview mirror PLUS a 'normal' backup camera above the license plate sending image to the large dash display.
- Backup sensors with proximity warnings.
- Tidbit: The hatch window is NOT sealed at the bottom. It does overlap about 3+inches of panel, but you could spray water up onto the engine with a hose (more venting of heat).
- Tidbit: The vertical glass between the cockpit and the engine bay is ~ 1" thick. This should reduce noise in the cockpit and be an added a safety factor.
- Stingray tires:Michelin’s Pilot Sport ALS 3+ compound Pilot Sport All Season 4. Chevrolet and Michelin developed the new all-season tire over a five-year period specifically for the 2020 Corvette. The tire helps the C8 generate “nearly 1G” while still being all season. “This tire doesn’t make the compromise that a summer tire will make when the temperature drops below 40 or 50 degrees, especially if it’s wet,” said Michelin
This is NOT the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S – a summer-only max-performance compound that’s unsuitable in cold conditions that comes on the C8 Z51 and help it attain 1.05 G. Stickiness comes at a price. My C6 Z51 had a compound so soft that with zero track time, they only lasted a bit over 10k miles.
- Dry weight = 3366 Lbs
- Cargo = 12.6 Cu Ft
- Fuel capacity = 18.5 Gal
- Automatic folding side mirrors.
- 2" front lift for folks like me with a steep driveway that ALWAYS scrapes the bottom of my front 'spoiler.' It is tied to 1 of 1000 available GPS coordinates that you can select to automatically raise the front when your get [home/to work entrance/grocery store speed bump/etc.]. This appears to be either an option or part of an optional package.
- 12 colors;
Long Beach Red Metallic Tintcoat - Additional charge - premium tintcoat color
Sebring Orange Tintcoat - premium tintcoat color
Accelerate Yellow Metallic - premium color
Rapid Blue - premium color
Ceramic Matrix Gray Metallic
Blade Silver Metallic
Shadow Gray Metallic
Elkhart Lake Blue Metallic
Zeus Bronze Metallic
- Body Color accents Option allows you to specify body color for the side scoop edge, mirrors and/or spoiler.
- An assortment of stripes, aero parts, Carbon Fiber options, Engine bay dress up, and even a Wing (6-7 inches above the rear fascia).
- 3 different seats, 13 different seat color/combinations, PLUS optional Alcantara suede. Black, Sky Cool Gray, Natural and Natural dipped are all available on EVERY color. See page 25 of the Order Guide (link provided elsewhere on this post) to see the schedule showing which other interiors are available with which exterior colors. There is also an override option for pre-sold orders but the cost of the option is not known at this time.
- Natural Dipped interior is full color interior (instrument panel, doors and carpet). This interior features light color carpeting so extra care may be required to avoid soiling. Think Ferrari interior look.
- The Temperature of each tire (based on TPS sensors) is fed to the handling program for control of suspension AND the electronic differential.
- 4th Gen Mag Ride Control applied to coilover/struts at each corner. The fiberglass leaf springs are gone.
- Two custom, owner preference suspension settings, Z mode and My mode. The Z button toggles them. (Boy was I ever wrong about that button)
- 1080P PDR that can be set to come on automatically when you start your car. Great for Track and Valet insurance.
- The only carry over part from the C7 is the door latch. Not the interior switch. Not the entry pad. Not even the mechanism. The latch itself. One part.
The C8 features eBoost brakes. What are they and why? Almost every car on the market today has accelerator by wire and many have drive by wire - meaning that your accelerator pedal and maybe your steering wheel are sort of like rheostats controlling the lights in your house - but of course, they are hooked up to motors/actuators performing the functions because they are lighter and drain less horse power from the engine which yields better MPG.
The eBoost module combines the functions of the old hydraulic master calendar, the vacuum power boost unit, the vacuum pump, and the electronic control module into a single device which saves weight and saves space that can be used for a nice big Frunk.
Correct Pedal feel is programmed in for the various driving modes. Refining this programming has been one of the goals of all of the development drives (public spy shots we've seen). GM has even programmed 'weather feel' into the brakes for slick wet and icy conditions.
I'm starting to understand why the GM Remote Control Module updates via Wi-Fi are needed. This system should also lend itself more readily to hybrid and/or full electric powered requirements down the road.
Math Nerd uses C7 ZR1 Numbers to detail extrapolate C8 Performance Potential
I've been a numbers guy for a long time (Accounting/Finance) but I know some of you will not want to watch this whole thing. The Nerd is good, his logic is good, looks like his formulas are probably good, so the conclusions should be in the ball park, IMO.
"How The 2020 Corvette Achieves Its Fastest 0-60 Ever"
Cell vid of a Dealer show room sit in C8
So what makes the LT2 different than the LT1?
Car and Driver has provided a nice deep dive into the LT2 in the following link:
Link to a C8 Order sheet - NO PRICES
Video Link to GM's Reveal:
Notice the unique shape of the upper A Arm! Engineering with a twist.
There’s a dedicated heat exchanger behind the passenger’s side large side vent on the Z51
GM tells us how they kept the midengined C8 price below $60k
Official GM C8 Site
Lots of bits there, pics and vids. You can even configure YOUR own C8 Stingray. A great way to see all of the options currently planned:
Here is a link to "Corvette Academy," 23 short (most under 2 minutes) vids on all things C8
Presented by Tadge and the Corvette team. THIS is a WEALTH of C8 details. If you don't have time for 23 vids, I've posted direct links for several vids.:
Some direct links to "Corvette Academy" subjects:
The Z51 option:
Chassis and engine overlay (click on link NOT THE PIC):
Track testing (click link NOT PIC):
The dry sump LT2 (click link NOT PIC):
The electronic shifter:
Video link to close up and inside of Blue and the White C8's:
Think you have placed an order?
7/25/19: If you've given a dealer $$$$ and filled out an order form, you need to understand that at this point, you are in line and have placed a deposit with the dealer while telling him exactly what you want - no more. GM is currently NOT accepting C8 orders. No pricing has been set as of today, so there is no Order System.
One Dealer/Salesman is claiming that "Quick Orders" are now being accepted, but some options might not be available. He gave the example of the optional engine covers that are not available. He was speaking in present tense as if the C8 production cars are being built now(?). Either not clear, or just doesn't seem right. They do have a historical pattern of producing and stockpiling new generation vettes ahead of shipping to the dealer, but this is JULY!!! Regardless, you guys are smart and I'm sure you will make certain to milk your sales guy for everything he KNOWS about the order then build process.
Some of the past rumors answered
1. When the size of the Bowling Green Corvette plant was almost doubled, it caused/causes a LOT of speculation about for what the new space was to be used. Speculation included the possibility that the C7 would continue selling along side the C8 for a year and then the assembly line would be repurposed for another model of some kind (I was in this group).
False - Per Mark Reuss, GM President that was NEVER a consideration. So one question answered but drives 10 more questions - all centered on what exactly will fill all that space.
Does this mean a sister Cadillac, or a 4 door Corvette, or an SUV?
2. The production of a right hand drive C8 was highly speculated/rumored. We knew that GM has gone to considerable legal expense to copyright the names Zora and eRay along with the trademark Corvette flags with the fleur de lis in Australia and some other countries.
True - the right hand will be produced at BG.
So Year 1 Production is almost sold out. What's NEXT?
Short answer: The Fall debut of the Vert and the C8.r that will win LeMans next year, but beyond that the Z06 is NEXT. Obviously, there is an abundance of room between the engine and the hatch, but if the leaked CAD drawing is real, it won't be filled with a Supercharger. Expect an outboard TT DOHC 5.5L V8:
BTW, DO NOT believe anyone who says the C8 will be getting the 4.2L Blackwing. Completely different. Here is the INBOARD TT: