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is active handling that much different when comparing an 01 a4 coup to an 07 z ? i ask this cuz i was side ways when the 07 stopped.my 01 has 118 k on it so i have some miles on my butt including drag racing and VIR driving school.the 01,s AH would never let it do what the 07 did. it was raining lightly and i,m on a wide road going into a parking lot so no danger,no traffic.i,m gonna let the ass slid out a little on the right hand turn ,speed under 25,in first gear.i induce the drift with a small push on gas ,the ass starts to swing out ,i lift on gas and give a little left turn on wheel.next thing in know the ass is sliding out to the right. so i push every thing in [brake and clutch].when the car stops in 90 degrees to the road. no damage cuz like i said it was wide and no traffic.i dont feel i over corrected on the first feeling of slide and i had no time to unwind for the opposit slide.my 01 a4 would never let me get past the first slide.the z,s system did it,s job for the first slide but [ it snapped it out and into another slide so fast it was amazing]. the 07z has 10 k on it,tires good,psi good,AH/TC on,road wet but not flooded. all my inputs were small ,eg i didnt floor it to induce spin or crank the wheel hard over.i,m not blaming the car either.i drive hard and this isnt the first time ive done something like this.are the systems that much different ? the reason it did this was cuz is was raining and ya can get side ways at slow speed .i should add that sideways wasnt my intent ,just kick the ass out a little.
 

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The active handling on an 07 and an 01 do not react the same the 07 Z is a lot should I say looser. The tires on the 07 Z are very slippery in rain or cold weather. But on a warm track they hold like glue. The 07 Z will let you get in over your head real quick.
 

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let me get over my head ? hell it did it on its own,it should have stopped one slide not put me in another
 

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I don't know ... I would never try to kick the rear out on a wet road.
 

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i,m on a wide road going into a parking lot so no danger,no traffic.i,m gonna let the ass slid out a little on the right hand turn ,speed under 25,in first gear.i induce the drift with a small push on gas ,the ass starts to swing out ,i lift on gas and give a little left turn on wheel.next thing in know the ass is sliding out to the right. so i push every thing in [brake and clutch].when the car stops in 90 degrees to the road. no damage cuz like i said it was wide and no traffic.
You cut the power and stopped the wheels from rolling once you started going sideways?

Worst possible option.
 

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I have not been able to figure out the AH on the C6. It has engaged for me at low speed in situations I did not think necessary but on the track I backed the car into a turn at over 80 and it didn't engage (a good thing) so I had power to drive out of the slide with a correction.:huh:

I have not figured out the engagement logic yet.

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Just turn it off. I have over 19000 miles on my Z. I have driven less than a 100 miles with it on. False sense of security. You see on how crazy the car got with it on. Just think of how many people drive thinking this magical traction control is going to save their ass when the car breaks loose. The car is so out of balance and getting sideways, it's to late. I'm getting new tires next week. I got my money's worth out of these tires. They are as smooth as your kitchen countertop. You can barely see where the tread bars were. It rains non stop in Seattle, the roads are always wet. I would never drive with the system on. The way I got comfortable with my cars is. Go autocrossing. I would go and basically steer with my rear tires. I wasn't interested in getting the best times and winning a little trophy. I wanted to get to know and understand the car when it's sideways or out of balance. I suggest to anyone who has never gotten their car sideways in an empty parking lot is. Do it! Learn and understand the dynamics of your car. Always keep into consideration on how much surface contact your tires have with the street (surface). The more contact your rear tires have with the pavement, wether your coming out of a turn or going over some elevation changes. The more control your going to have, keeping the car balanced and not upsetting it. Surface contact is key!!!
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Based on my experience with the C6 Z06 and the C6 Z51, the AH in the C6 Z51 is much more aggressive. I have not really even seen it kick on while in the Z06, but I have not had a chance to push it sideways yet either…

I can say in similar situations (total G's and speed) the C6-Z51 would have definitely kicked on, when the Z06 didn’t. However it still held the corner without too much slip. Like I said i have not had the Z06 sideways yet... Perhaps this is a wet / cold pavement thing...

We have some concrete paved roundabouts in a new development that are good for testing traction. Now I know what I am going to do tomorrow…. :devil:
 

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Just turn it off. I have over 19000 miles on my Z. I have driven less than a 100 miles with it on. False sense of security. You see on how crazy the car got with it on. Just think of how many people drive thinking this magical traction control is going to save their ass when the car breaks loose. The car is so out of balance and getting sideways, it's to late. I'm getting new tires next week. I got my money's worth out of these tires. They are as smooth as your kitchen countertop. You can barely see where the tread bars were. It rains non stop in Seattle, the roads are always wet. I would never drive with the system on. The way I got comfortable with my cars is. Go autocrossing. I would go and basically steer with my rear tires. I wasn't interested in getting the best times and winning a little trophy. I wanted to get to know and understand the car when it's sideways or out of balance. I suggest to anyone who has never gotten their car sideways in an empty parking lot is. Do it! Learn and understand the dynamics of your car. Always keep into consideration on how much surface contact your tires have with the street (surface). The more contact your rear tires have with the pavement, wether your coming out of a turn or going over some elevation changes. The more control your going to have, keeping the car balanced and not upsetting it. Surface contact is key!!!
Love my car and I love to drive.


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you maybe right but at my old age i aint as quick as i once was so turning AH off may not be for me.ive been in tight turns at 80 mph plus and gone over rough road and got the dic message of AH BUT i didnt feel any radical corrections.the thing is i dont have the guts to try it with AH off.ive 118k on my 01 coup and 15 k on the 07 z,many laps and runs on tracks so i,m not a virgin.i still have faith in AH,this event my have occurred BECAUSE of the low speed,the AH didnt have enuf time to correct the other spin[under 25 mph]. thanks for all the opines
 

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I sometimes go to Comp mode on mine, but after reading how even Pro drivers were no faster AH on or off. I somehow doubt I am as good at correcting the car as I could be!:agree:
 
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