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(CBS) With many polls indicating the Republicans may win back control of the House of Representatives (and possibly the Senate as well) in the upcoming mid-term elections, Jim VandeHei, the executive editor of Politico, told CBS' "Face the Nation" that the Obama administration is in a horrible position.

"Does the White House understand this?" asked guest host Harry Smith. "Do you feel any sense of panic or concern" on the part of the administration?

"They get it. There's panic. There's concern," VandeHei said. "The reality for this administration stinks, politically and practically, when it comes to the economy. You're not going to be able to change that 9.6-percent unemployment figure. You can't get anything from Congress in the next couple of months."

CBS Congressional correspondent Nancy Cordes said the Democrats are distancing themselves from President Obama.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/05/ftn/main6837589.shtml
 

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Reality for any party....


""The reality for this administration stinks, politically and practically, when it comes to the economy. You're not going to be able to change that 9.6-percent unemployment figure. You can't get anything from Congress in the next couple of months."


Sounds about right.

Where's the shocker here?


I see nothing wrong with the pubs controling congress, anymore than I do, an administration that puts goals ahead of vote pandering.

If your not pissing anybody off......Your not doing your job.
There's always two sides to every objective.
That's how Capitalism works.
 

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8 months of Lobbyists with those new young blood pubs and we will see what the end product is.:laughing:
 

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8 months of Lobbyists with those new young blood pubs and we will see what the end product is.:laughing:
The new young blood pubs hate lobbyists, like Obama did. Remember? no lobbyists? But, but, wait, what about the WH staff... never mind...:laughing:
 

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The new young blood pubs hate lobbyists, like Obama did. Remember? no lobbyists? But, but, wait, what about the WH staff... never mind...:laughing:
And thats where the real test is. Obama didn't even act like he had any respect for his own rhetoric.. but the power/money/greed at the top is all corrupting. He straight up lied, people bought it, and he proved to be exactly as I said. Now there are regrets, and the cycle starts over again.
 

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They are two entirley different ideologies... that fact alone, makes them different.
 

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If your not pissing anybody off......Your not doing your job.
There's always two sides to every objective.
That's how Capitalism works.
Wow, someone with left leaning ideologies bordering on socialist is going to offer us the cliff note version of how capitalism works. Every CEO in the country should be knocking on your door any minute for your valuable advice. :rolling:
 

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They are two entirley different ideologies... that fact alone, makes them different.
On paper, yes. In rhetoric, yes. In reality, no.

Both are big government growers.
Both are big borrowers and spenders.
Both feel the need to globetrot policing various causes.
Neither will address the border issue.
Either will implementing liberty limiting policy at the drop of hat.
Both are much more concerned with the too big to fail/jail crowd than the guy who puts them in power.

1 is the lesser of the 2 evils, but only slightly, and it's still evil.

Until their actions match their rhetoric, I have to call em like I see em.. one statist party with 2 factions.
 

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On paper, yes. In rhetoric, yes. In reality, no.

Both are big government growers.
The Tea Party is not.
Both are big borrowers and spenders.
The Tea Party is not.
Both feel the need to globetrot policing various causes.
The Tea Party couldn't care less.
Neither will address the border issue.
The Tea Party will.
Either will implementing liberty limiting policy at the drop of hat.
Both are much more concerned with the too big to fail/jail crowd than the guy who puts them in power.
This is not what the Tea Party is about.
1 is the lesser of the 2 evils, but only slightly, and it's still evil.

Until their actions match their rhetoric, I have to call em like I see em.. one statist party with 2 factions.
Hopefully, the Tea Party, through it's support of candidates, mostly conservative republican and Liberal "Republicans" will start to effect a change.

The days of the pubs lening left to garner votes may be coming to an end. I don't have a crystal ball on the future, and in that sense I have to speculate, as we all do. But a change in direction is needed for sure. Will it happen? It appears so. What remains to be seen is how much effect it will have, how soon it will take effect, how long it will take, and will it be enough?
 

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The Tea Party is not.

The Tea Party is not.

The Tea Party couldn't care less.

The Tea Party will.

This is not what the Tea Party is about.
I don't see the "meat" in the Tea Party. They talk a good game (sound familiar?) they walk like conservatives (sound familiar?) but so far the upper echelon on the main movements are just republican big-government retreads. I think the marriage between the Republicans and the Democrats is too tight of a bond for either one to let the other fall by the wayside. They both set the game up, play it to perfection, and expect the results garnered...

Maybe, after the next 2 election cycles, people will wake up and smell the coffee.. then you might see a real Tea Party.. but as long as it's in bed with the enemy, what can they really accomplish? None of their candidates have said anything ear-perking as far as I am concerned. None of them have given much, if any, lip service to term limits, reduced benefits for congressmen, etc. etc. None of them will do much to repeal the healthcare law, because it will benefit them just as much as it does democrats.

Call me cynical.. but I have watched this game play out over many decades. The "Contract with America" was a good idea, turned into a cheap sales tool. They never had any intentions other than business-as-usual. Should you feel I am wrong, show me what they did to help.
 

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I don't see the "meat" in the Tea Party. They talk a good game (sound familiar?) they walk like conservatives (sound familiar?) but so far the upper echelon on the main movements are just republican big-government retreads. I think the marriage between the Republicans and the Democrats is too tight of a bond for either one to let the other fall by the wayside. They both set the game up, play it to perfection, and expect the results garnered...

Maybe, after the next 2 election cycles, people will wake up and smell the coffee.. then you might see a real Tea Party.. but as long as it's in bed with the enemy, what can they really accomplish? None of their candidates have said anything ear-perking as far as I am concerned. None of them have given much, if any, lip service to term limits, reduced benefits for congressmen, etc. etc. None of them will do much to repeal the healthcare law, because it will benefit them just as much as it does democrats.

Call me cynical.. but I have watched this game play out over many decades. The "Contract with America" was a good idea, turned into a cheap sales tool. They never had any intentions other than business-as-usual. Should you feel I am wrong, show me what they did to help.
The contract with America never got going because it got too watered down with the progressive takeover of Congress before it had any chance of sucess.

I can give you the name of 2 candidates that have that very agenda as the center of thier platform. Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio. FWIW.

The best part of the constitution may have run down the leg of Congress as they raped it, but when you start something it starts with the laying of the 1st brick.

This will be the first election cycle for the Tea party... I'm waiting to see happens, after I cast my vote.
 

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This will be the first election cycle for the Tea party... I'm waiting to see happens, after I cast my vote.
:laughing: I wish you luck. :cheers: I still think Apathy rules.. and the "too big too fail/jail" guys think so too.

In the mean time, guns/ammo/gold. :devil:
 

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:laughing: I wish you luck. :cheers: I still think Apathy rules.. and the "too big too fail/jail" guys think so too.

In the mean time, guns/ammo/gold. :devil:
You may be right. But I still have a vote, watered down from Acorn and such. So since it's all I really have, I'm throwing it in there and seeing what comes out.

Not sure about apathy. There's been an awakening.
The too big to fail/jail guys are what worry me.

Guns goona be outlawed soon. Ammo, (lead based) is being made illegal by the EPA. Gold may be the only recourse, but that won't go the distance either.

We're fooked. Time for the 'Hail Mary'...
 

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I don't see the "meat" in the Tea Party. They talk a good game (sound familiar?) they walk like conservatives (sound familiar?) but so far the upper echelon on the main movements are just republican big-government retreads. I think the marriage between the Republicans and the Democrats is too tight of a bond for either one to let the other fall by the wayside. They both set the game up, play it to perfection, and expect the results garnered...

Maybe, after the next 2 election cycles, people will wake up and smell the coffee.. then you might see a real Tea Party.. but as long as it's in bed with the enemy, what can they really accomplish? None of their candidates have said anything ear-perking as far as I am concerned. None of them have given much, if any, lip service to term limits, reduced benefits for congressmen, etc. etc. None of them will do much to repeal the healthcare law, because it will benefit them just as much as it does democrats.

Call me cynical.. but I have watched this game play out over many decades. The "Contract with America" was a good idea, turned into a cheap sales tool. They never had any intentions other than business-as-usual. Should you feel I am wrong, show me what they did to help.
Wow........:thud:
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I don't see the "meat" in the Tea Party.
Dude... you're just ****ing killing me with this talk. Look who you have agreeing with you ! That's gotta tell you how incorrect you are... and have been for awhile. The patrons of the Tea Party (voters) are not the "intertwined" and are not voting for the statuesque. They/we are the very reason for the ruffled feathers... on both sides. You can go ahead and persist with your claims of sameness of our "elected" (wrongly) but sure as ****... you can not say this about the Tea Party. You can giggle all you want, at the unrefined and unpolished vessel of real change in government rule over the people (Sarah Palin) -but what you can not do is accuse her/them of collaboration with either side -or the statuesque. She/they are the antithesis of every message you have put forth about what is wrong with government... and are inline with every message you put forth of what needs to happen to upright the republic... with near verbatim. She/they have everyone of them, on both-sides of the political spectrum... running scared or on alert... due to her/their message -that is in perfect alignment with those that still respect God, Country, Family and Honor.

That's the way it is... and there is no arguing these points.
 

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Dude... you're just ****ing killing me with this talk. Look who you have agreeing with you ! That's gotta tell you how incorrect you are... and have been for awhile. The patrons of the Tea Party (voters) are not the "intertwined" and are not voting for the statuesque. They/we are the very reason for the ruffled feathers... on both sides. You can go ahead and persist with your claims of sameness of our "elected" (wrongly) but sure as ****... you can not say this about the Tea Party. You can giggle all you want, at the unrefined and unpolished vessel of real change in government rule over the people (Sarah Palin) -but what you can not do is accuse her/them of collaboration with either side -or the statuesque. She/they are the antithesis of ever message you have put forth about what is wrong with government... and are inline with every message you put forth of what needs to happen to upright the republic... with near verbatim. She/they have everyone of them, on both-sides of the political spectrum... running scared or on alert... due to her/their message -that is in perfect alignment with those that still respect God, Country, Family and Honor.

That's the way it is... and there is no arguing these points.
I know I am driving you crazy VFP.. but when Dick Armey started the process of cleaning up Palwenty as the Tea Party 2012 candidate, the red flags flew!! Palwenty is to the Tea Party what Satan is to Christ..and my idea of taking the country back, is not getting all giddy about another Reagen or Nixon.. You want your country back, you better look more at the Ron Paul types. :thumbsup:

I know who/what Dick Armey is about, and we can't continue picking the lesser of the evils and hope for "change".
 
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