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Lot of you Know I built a new motor for my 86 about a year ago.

I has ben a pain In you know what.

But after working most of the bugs out of it I still fighting transmission problems.
I have a new trans on the way so I started to pull the trans out getting everything ready for it I also still have a oil leak that I thought was comming from the rear of the motor.

I also found out when pulling the trans the converter they said they put in the car is not the one I paid for thats a whole diffrent story.

The oil leak from the timing cover just spreading to the rear of the motor.

So as long as I have to pull the front of the motor apart I am going to put a hotter cam in it the one in there now is a Howards 214/214 .447 /.477 lift at 290/290 Duration with 111 CL.

I also have 195 Trick flow heads and 24# injectors with 9.75 to 1 compression.
307 rear end.

Edelbrock Hi Flow intake and SPL runners.

I was thinking to go with a LPE 219/219 Cam I read with a good tune It should pass smog.

Or is there a better choice fo a new cam if so what I need to pass CA smog laws.
I looked at the LT4 and the ZZ9 I just dont want to make anouther mistake get this combo right.

I also just order a new set of 1.6 CC full roller rockers Steel I want to get rid of my 1.5 CMH brand rockers.

I know I have to change springs for the extra lift of a hotter cam do the swap from flat tappet to a roller cam at least I dont have to worry about using Zinc in my oil with a roller cam.

Ater the motor rebuild I felt the motor was weak off the bottem I know the trans did not have enough stall to it the guy told me I had a 2200 stall but I think more like a 1600 what still is the best with a 219/219 cam is 2500 stall enough.

and will the 219/219 be a good working combo for me it a DD for now.
 

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the cam you select will also effect the stall speed on the converter you'll needed to match it, ....with a 3.07 rear gear Id go with the milder 214 duration as about maximum, and even thats pushing things on a California smog/emission checked engine,a 2500 rpm stall converter will work well with that, the stock stall converter won,t be near ideal.. you can go with the 219 dur bot your not likely to get the full benefits without a 3.54-3.73:1 rear gear and a 2500-2700rpm stall converter

you mentioned that the current converters "NOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR" and "youve got oil leaks"
well, Im sorry to say this but theres more than a few shops that do that kind of charge and switch B.S. and less than quality work, everyplace makes some mistakes but if you didn,t get the parts you paid for you obviously got cheated and Ive seen more than one guy fighting what he was 100% sure was cam or tuning issues that were 100% caused by some shyster thief installing the wrong, cheaper ,or his original parts and charging for new parts that were never installed
thats one reason Ive always stressed learning to do your own work and INSISTING on getting all my old parts back.

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=1718&p=11956&hilit=rear+seal#p11956

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=321&p=3007#p3007
 

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So what your saying keep the Cam I have now get a 2500 Stall conveter and see how things work out.

And the POS trans I order a Performa trans stage 2 they say it good for 600 H/P.

So going from a flat tappet to a roller cam not worth the time and money.

A shot of Nos would be cheeper but I dont want the bottle showing.

the cam you select will also effect the stall speed on the converter you'll needed to match it, ....with a 3.07 rear gear Id go with the milder 214 duration as about maximum, and even thats pushing things on a California smog/emission checked engine,a 2500 rpm stall converter will work well with that, the stock stall converter won,t be near ideal.. you can go with the 219 dur bot your not likely to get the full benefits without a 3.54-3.73:1 rear gear and a 2500-2700rpm stall converter

you mentioned that the current converters "NOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR" and "youve got oil leaks"
well, Im sorry to say this but theres more than a few shops that do that kind of charge and switch B.S. and less than quality work, everyplace makes some mistakes but if you didn,t get the parts you paid for you obviously got cheated and Ive seen more than one guy fighting what he was 100% sure was cam or tuning issues that were 100% caused by some shyster thief installing the wrong, cheaper ,or his original parts and charging for new parts that were never installed
thats one reason Ive always stressed learning to do your own work and INSISTING on getting all my old parts back.

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=1718&p=11956&hilit=rear+seal#p11956

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=321&p=3007#p3007
 

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in your case ID install the new converter and trans and see how things work at that point as a first step.

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=2400&p=6331&hilit=converter+install#p6331


yes a roller cam is superior to a flat tappet but its also going to cost you about $700 more on average to go that route, Id concentrate on getting the current combo running correctly before stepping up on the valve train components, as thats best done after replacing the heads and cam at the same time to insure proper clearances and geometry

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=181

I wish you were local, we could sit down and take the time to carefully discuss options and goals and budget limitations, doing the works not difficult, but you need to have a GOAL, and not just a random desire to make the car (FASTER) and a checking balance that bleeds cash as random components get installed, in an almost random order, then tested, and your seldom happy with the results, because each change requires other changes to function so the only way you get what you want is thru PLANING the complete combo and working to that goal in logical steps
 

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I also have a High performace Chio Not a Custom chip This could be anouther issue but the guy want $450.00 for a custom made chip I was thinking If I going to pay that much might as well get a hotter cam at the same time I hate to buy 2 $450.00 chips if I still dont like it with the same cam I have in it now with a custom made chip.

I wish I knew where to get a better deal on well tuned chip I still think $450.00 is high in cost for a chip.

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in your case ID install the new converter and trans and see how things work at that point as a first step.

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=2400&p=6331&hilit=converter+install#p6331


yes a roller cam is superior to a flat tappet but its also going to cost you about $700 more on average to go that route, Id concentrate on getting the current combo running correctly before stepping up on the valve train components, as thats best done after replacing the heads and cam at the same time to insure proper clearances and geometry

http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=181

I wish you were local, we could sit down and take the time to carefully discuss options and goals and budget limitations, doing the works not difficult, but you need to have a GOAL, and not just a random desire to make the car (FASTER) and a checking balance that bleeds cash as random components get installed, in an almost random order, then tested, and your seldom happy with the results, because each change requires other changes to function so the only way you get what you want is thru PLANING the complete combo and working to that goal in logical steps
 

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I ordered a Lunati 60101 It anouther flat tappet for the money I stay with a flat tappet.

I can reuse the push rods LOL.

And I will be able to use the chip it for now I hope.

It makes a little more power not alot more but I has the mean sound to it and it works with in my RPM range where I what the motor to be running at.

It not a race car but a DD for now.

I had to go the next size up Valve springs extra $70.00

So it cost me for now $270.00 to get where I want it instead of $1300.00.

Heres a U tube video what sold me on the sound alone Plus I think I shouild pass smog with a good tune.

 
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