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When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi let 30 Blue Dog Democrats break ranks to vote against the controversial health care overhaul in March, she probably didn't expect them to go the extra mile and campaign against it in the fall.

But for several of these fiscal conservatives, the bills they didn't vote for have become far more important to their campaign message than the legislation they supported.

Members of the so-called Blue Dog Coalition are railing against the health care bill, and other Democrat-sponsored spending packages, in a bid to highlight their independence from the Washington establishment. In a year when spending is a top voter concern and incumbency can translate to liability, Democrats in moderate-to-conservative districts are using their ads, websites and public appearances to condemn their party's marquee legislative achievement in the closing weeks of the campaign.

"The majority of the American people are against it. I believe that our nation can't afford it. And I didn't vote for it," Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., told Fox News in reference to the health care bill.
Taylor last week went further than any of his Democratic colleagues in speaking out against the law. He joined dozens of congressional Republicans in calling for a repeal of the package, the first Democrat to do so.

These lawmakers surely have seen the polls that show voters persistently skeptical about the health care law benefits. Though the policy won't take any measurable effect until 2013, studies that show health care spending will not decline as a result of the overhaul have fueled criticism; supporters tout the bill's impact in expanding coverage to millions, rather than its effect on cost.

Several other Blue Dogs are citing their votes against the health care legislation, as well as votes against the Wall Street bailout, in their campaign ads from the final leg.

Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pa., released back-to-back ads highlighting his health care opposition -- and resistance to the powers that be in the Democratic Party.

"Too many people in Congress just vote the party line, but Jason Altmire, he's not like that," the first ad said. "You saw when he voted against health care and when Jason opposed the Wall Street bailouts. I like that Jason Altmire's not afraid to stand up to the president - and Nancy Pelosi."

The second ad featured Altmire talking to supposed constituents on the sidelines of a school football game, admitting that Washington isn't "happy with me" over his votes against the bailout and health care package.

Not all of these Blue Dogs are facing tough reelection challenges. Altmire is favored and Taylor is considered safe in November.

But others are drawing attention to their health care law opposition as they face down stiff competition in November.

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, D-S.D., released a similar ad over the summer. She's facing a challenge from state Rep. Kristi Noem, who's also railing against Washington spending in her campaign, and the race is considered a toss-up.

Rep. Glenn Nye, D-Va., released a new ad this month titled "Independence" declaring that he voted against the health care bill because it was "too expensive." He's facing GOP businessman Scott Rigell two months from now in another too-close-to-call contest.

Blue Dog Rep. Bobby Bright, D-Ala., also released an ad under the same name claiming the independence title.

"Bobby Bright is the most independent member of Congress," the narrator said. "Bobby voted against the bailouts, against stimulus spending, against the massive government health care."

He's facing Montgomery Councilwoman Martha Roby, who has criticized Bright for his votes in favor of other Democratic spending packages. And the Roby campaign is criticizing Bright for not going far enough in his opposition to the health care law.

"In his latest television ad Bobby Bright touts his vote against health care, but what he doesn't tell the voters is that he still refuses to support repealing or defunding the job-killing bill," the campaign said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...e-health-care-overhaul-campaign-punching-bag/
 

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It looks like the only ones who care about Affordable Health Care are the Sick or those who don’t have Health Care or both. But one thing we all can bank on, is that sooner or later, we’ll all or someone we really care about, will need affordable Health Care. That’s when it will become important, and hopefully not too late. Because all those politicians who the Right Wingers back, have exactly the type of Health Care they are fighting against.

Makes you wonder who really is getting fooled. :crazy:
 

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These guys are in a bind. They are DINO's because they come from a part of the country where the little working guy still thinks the Democrats represent them. Their Daddy and Granddaddy voted Dem, so they will too. But because they are conservative by nature, they want the same things the Republicans want. So, to get elected in those states, you have to call yourself a Dem and act like a Pub. I think this will gradually change where these will become actual red states.
 

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These guys are in a bind. They are DINO's because they come from a part of the country where the little working guy still thinks the Democrats represent them. Their Daddy and Granddaddy voted Dem, so they will too. But because they are conservative by nature, they want the same things the Republicans want. So, to get elected in those states, you have to call yourself a Dem and act like a Pub. I think this will gradually change where these will become actual red states.
Or act like a Wing-Nut ... I can see it's a Difficult Choice. ;)
 

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Or act like a Wing-Nut ... I can see it's a Difficult Choice. ;)
Wing nut being anything that doesn't look like you... right? Very broad minded of you, Chas. :thumbsup:
 

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Wing nut being anything that doesn't look like you... right? Very broad minded of you, Chas. :thumbsup:
You can’t use that one … it’s currently Patent Pending :laughing:
 

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It looks like the only ones who care about Affordable Health Care are the Sick or those who don’t have Health Care or both. But one thing we all can bank on, is that sooner or later, we’ll all or someone we really care about, will need affordable Health Care. That’s when it will become important, and hopefully not too late. Because all those politicians who the Right Wingers back, have exactly the type of Health Care they are fighting against.

Makes you wonder who really is getting fooled. :crazy:
You got fooled into thinking Obamacare fixed anything.. it fixed nothing and it don't even resemble the plan he spoke of during the campaign. Obamacare don't do **** except raise taxes and give the gov more control over it's subjects.

I was all for healthcare reform, even single payer, but this clusterfuck called Obamacare is too big of a mess to help ANYTHING.

Yes, I am racist/bigot/nazi/etc, I have no problem with your pathetic labels.. :laughing:
 

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You got fooled into thinking Obamacare fixed anything.. it fixed nothing and it don't even resemble the plan he spoke of during the campaign. Obamacare don't do **** except raise taxes and give the gov more control over it's subjects.

I was all for healthcare reform, even single payer, but this clusterfuck called Obamacare is too big of a mess to help ANYTHING.

Yes, I am racist/bigot/nazi/etc, I have no problem with your pathetic labels.. :laughing:


That’s what you get when you try to get bi-partisan support. Americans what Affordable Health Care for All Americans … Selfish Ass Holes don’t want any type of Equality … Period; even if it means Voting NO for everything for the past two years and the next two years.

Enjoy … these are the people you’re backing to do nothing for you or your so called fellow Americans.

God Bless American and your American neighbors Affordable Health Care, I hope you or no one you care about ever need it.

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That’s what you get when you try to get bi-partisan support. Americans what Affordable Health Care for All Americans … Selfish Ass Holes don’t want any type of Equality … Period; even if it means Voting NO for everything for the past two years and the next two years.
The dims had full reign on the Obamacare issue.. full majority in both houses.. and the reps weren't stupid enough to get sucked into that mess with 65% of the country hating it. And what is equal about me paying for your healthcare? There is nothing equal about your version of equality...

Enjoy … these are the people you’re backing to do nothing for you or your so called fellow Americans.
I don't care if they do nothing for me.. I need nothing from them except to be left alone. And I am in the majority of people who feel that way.

God Bless American and your American neighbors Affordable Health Care, I hope you or no one you care about ever need it. :cheers:
Me too, because by the time I pay the taxes and fines for Obamacare, I won't be able to afford decent healthcare, and the availability of decent healthcare will disappear under Obamacare.
 

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That’s what you get when you try to get bi-partisan support. Americans what Affordable Health Care for All Americans … Selfish Ass Holes don’t want any type of Equality … Period; even if it means Voting NO for everything for the past two years and the next two years.

Enjoy … these are the people you’re backing to do nothing for you or your so called fellow Americans.

God Bless American and your American neighbors Affordable Health Care, I hope you or no one you care about ever need it.

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Your sympathy is touching....but in my book you buy what you can afford and WE cannot afford this simple

I know I am no rocket scientist like yourself but I would look at the F'up regulations that makes heathcare expensive instead of just taking tax payer money and just say it is what it is:crazy:

The plan for heathcare affordability needs baby steps at lowering cost and it should never be supplied by our government., that not what a govrnment is for. If the government says I can afford to pay say $9,000 a year (out of my taxes) to pay for heathcare for everyone, I should be able to take that money and put it towards MY OWN heathcare plan:smack For the person who just wants to get by in life just barely (working for minimum wage) forever than I gues their heathcare plan will not be as good as mine, thats how LIFE works. You work for what you want and you have it simple:D

BTW if you now longer work at Mcdonalds, and moved out of your mother basement and now and you have stated you are the "boss" what motivated you to not except just getting by? and if you feel that you should help out all the less fortunate why don't you (to set an example for the rest of us) donate 2/3 of you income to Barry and tell him to use it for heathcare for the poor? your room in the basement might still be avaliable. I work hard for MY money to provide for My family the rest of you should be doing the same.

Government has already proven it cannot save for your retirement why in the hell should they run heathcare:crazy:
 

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Your sympathy is touching....but in my book you buy what you can afford and WE cannot afford this simple

I know I am no rocket scientist like yourself but I would look at the F'up regulations that makes heathcare expensive instead of just taking tax payer money and just say it is what it is:crazy:

The plan for heathcare affordability needs baby steps at lowering cost and it should never be supplied by our government., that not what a govrnment is for. If the government says I can afford to pay say $9,000 a year (out of my taxes) to pay for heathcare for everyone, I should be able to take that money and put it towards MY OWN heathcare plan:smack For the person who just wants to get by in life just barely (working for minimum wage) forever than I gues their heathcare plan will not be as good as mine, thats how LIFE works. You work for what you want and you have it simple:D

BTW if you now longer work at Mcdonalds, and moved out of your mother basement and now and you have stated you are the "boss" what motivated you to not except just getting by? and if you feel that you should help out all the less fortunate why don't you (to set an example for the rest of us) donate 2/3 of you income to Barry and tell him to use it for heathcare for the poor? your room in the basement might still be avaliable. I work hard for MY money to provide for My family the rest of you should be doing the same.

Government has already proven it cannot save for your retirement why in the hell should they run heathcare:crazy:

Wrong … your swallowing way too much of the Party Crap. This is the same crap they said about MediCare.

This ain’t rocket science … America can support its own people.

Why, because we’re America! :cheers:
 

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The Health Care Reform Act is a sham. The American people know it, and they don't want it. No matter how much Obama comes out and poses for it.

Personally, I've seen my rates go up 7% with a rate hike of up to 15% next year.

What Obama and the Dems have done to fool those who like the idea into thinking it is a good plan is because they are calling it The Health Care Reform Act, when in fact what it is is sweeping insurance regulation and reform, and they are putting the doctors and health care PROVIDERS in the middle.

So, the dims (the uninformed, or wishful thinkers) expect this 'reform' to enable those that don't have health care INSURANCE to obtain it. Either by purchasing it themselves OR buy entitlement from the government. It doesn't fix the inherent problems with Health Care PROVISION. In fact due to it's onerous implications it is causing health care provision to go up faster than it was before the bill was passed and not much of the bill has even been implemented.

Example. 2 years ago my wife went for a PET scan. she went there for 3 hrs. the procedure took 45 minutes. 2 20 minute scans with a 5 minute break in between. The bill was $13,000!
There were scheduled 10 other scans for that day. Total billed cost if my wife's was the mean would be $230k in one day! Now, even if that machine cost $10 million dollars and you take into account there was a doctor and radiologist there along with a few nurses and a receptionist, and other expenses, this is a gold mine! I can only surmise that they can charge $13k for a scan because the insurance companies have to pay it and there is no competition, so they're charging the most they can get away with. I'm sure this is an example that goes across the board and why there are more specialists than gp's.

Why hasn't this bill taken into account this type of public fleecing? Because lawyers wrote the bill and they want the doctors and those that run these places to keep charging what they do so they can continue to get huge settlements from tort.

If the D-Bags were interested in helping America they would have written the reform act to benefit Americans and would have had widespread partisan support. Instead, they saw it as an opportunity to take control of the largest industry in the country for none other than to empower the government over that part of Americans lives. All that so they could give more welfare to those that would rather smoke a joint and contemplate their bellybutton than contribute to society.

If you want to be equal, make yourself equal.
 

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That’s what you get when you try to get bi-partisan support. Americans what Affordable Health Care for All Americans … Selfish Ass Holes don’t want any type of Equality … Period; even if it means Voting NO for everything for the past two years and the next two years.

Enjoy … these are the people you’re backing to do nothing for you or your so called fellow Americans.

God Bless American and your American neighbors Affordable Health Care, I hope you or no one you care about ever need it.

:cheers:
Chas, the only places on earth where there is equality is where everyone is equally in poverty. If you want "fairness", then effort has to be factored into the equation. It's not "fair" for everyone to get the same benefits in life if 25% are not willing to even get up in the morning and do anything to take care of themselves. These statements can be labelled hard-hearted, but fairness goes both ways. You need to consider those who DO work hard starting at a young age and working all of their lives for what they get. Is it "fair" to take 40% of the fruits of their labor and give it to those who got pregnant at 14 (or got someone pregnant) followed by a lifetime of living off of the government, drinking, doing drugs, living a life of crime? I'm not saying there are lots of people doing all of these things. But these are the things that cause millions to be an anchor on society rather than fuel. And their actions are not some accident of nature like being born without legs, they are the result of choices made starting at an early age. Is it "fair" to take the cream of the earnings from the 75% who tried to do the right thing and, in the name of equality, hand it over to those who could have tried but wouldn't? Sorry, I think not. The Dems know better than this, too. But 25% of the country equals a lot of votes.
 

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Wrong … your swallowing way too much of the Party Crap. This is the same crap they said about MediCare.

This ain’t rocket science … America can support its own people.

Why, because we’re America! :cheers:
Unfortunately yo don't understand that part of truely supporting people is that you have to make the able bodied provide for themselves. It is not supportive to give people things just because they breath air. A prime example is Paris Hilton.

But what do you care of the charater and justice of our populace as long as you get your free s**t, right?
 

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Unfortunately yo don't understand that part of truely supporting people is that you have to make the able bodied provide for themselves. It is not supportive to give people things just because they breath air. A prime example is Paris Hilton.

But what do you care of the charater and justice of our populace as long as you get your free s**t, right?


Wrong again … sport … Saving American Lives is American.

Where are you on Saving Lives for Sick Americans?

At what point are Saving American Men, Women and Children too expensive for you?
 

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Wrong again … sport … Saving American Lives is American.

Where are you on Saving Lives for Sick Americans?

At what point are Saving American Men, Women and Children too expensive for you?
What you are talking about is not for sick Americans its subsidized healthcare across the board. No motivation on any able individual to go out and produce in this economy to beable to support themselves or their family.

I guess to be fair in you world we should all be assigned equal apartments serviced by public transportation to our assigned jobs to produce for the State so we can get our food ration books, apartments, healthcare and transportation voutures. Every one with equal outcome. Sounds fun doesn't it.

Maybe, I do sound jaded but I got my ass out found a job with good benefits and work 55 hrs plus a week to keep those benefits rolling. Why should I be expected to work hard to get the same benefits as those who don't wish to do the same?
 

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What you are talking about is not for sick Americans its subsidized healthcare across the board. No motivation on any able individual to go out and produce in this economy to beable to support themselves or their family.

I guess to be fair in you world we should all be assigned equal apartments serviced by public transportation to our assigned jobs to produce for the State so we can get our food ration books, apartments, healthcare and transportation voutures. Every one with equal outcome. Sounds fun doesn't it.

Maybe, I do sound jaded but I got my ass out found a job with good benefits and work 55 hrs plus a week to keep those benefits rolling. Why should I be expected to work hard to get the same benefits as those who don't wish to do the same?
Well I tried to hang with you on the first paragraph … but then you went all Tea-Bagger on me with the other two.

I think you and I fundamentally go in different directions on Health Care.

Where as I know personally, individuals who benefit NOW from this Bill, you believe this Bill is a bad thing for all of America.

Therefore you should Vote your conscience and I’ll do the same … welcome to Democracy … get use to it.


Wife is calling and I'm a coming ... :buhbye: Good night and stay healthy ... you'll need to. ;)
 
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