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Global Warmers - Making it up as they go along: From the Orange county Register

"You may have heard the fascinating explanation for the cold weather sweeping the globe. Yeah, some say that global warming is making the earth cold. There’s, of course, better explanations, but don’t expect to hear them from the global warming alarmists.
We’ll provide some comments on this canard for you on the warmists’ inability to have predicted, let alone explain, the cold snap, though:
“You can make up any analogy you want, but the fact is that computer models don’t show that change,” Pat Michaels, a climatologist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute told The Daily Caller. It is, said Michaels, the “core problem of climatology:” “It is attempting to explain everything even when everything becomes contradictory.”
And this:
“They make this stuff up as they go along,” said Myron Ebell, director of the Center of Energy and Environment at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
And this:
“This failure to skillfully predict any of the extreme weather patterns we have seen in the past should be a wake-up call to policymakers and the public that the climate science community is overselling the prediction skill that is possible,”
writes Roger Pielke Sr. “Unfortunately, they also continue to miss the significance that it is the regional circulations that matter much more, not a global average anomaly, as I discussed on my post:
An Example of Why Regional Weather Patterns Are More Important Than A Global-Average Temperature Anomaly
“… Moreover, until and unless they can skillfully predict observationally documented CHANGES in the statistics (probabilities) of the different major circulation patterns, their explanations are necessarily flawed. There is no evidence that the global climate model multi-decadal predictions (and even shorter term runs on a year or less into the future) have the needed skill.”
But what the heck, why not implement a bunch of costly rules and regulations and taxes and penalties to curb greenhouse gas emissions by microscopic margins even though they probably have nothing to do with temperature increases and even if temperature increases aren’t threatening?
What’s the worst that can happen? Wreck the economy?

Link: http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2...-explanations-made-up-as-they-go-along/39160/
 

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It's never been about climate change, it's always been about redistribution of wealth.

Anyone who says "man made climate change", is a %$&##$! idiot.. :laughing:
 

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This is all about getting you to downsize,

Our government is trying to turn this into a European like culture.

Free health care, And they want to put you on the train, Bicycle, or on a Bus

How I know they are full'o crap

Is because they can't predict the weather,

So how are you going to predit Global weather patterns :laughing:

Look at all the cover-up that has already happend amongst the "Global Warming" Crowd
 

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It's never been about climate change, it's always been about redistribution of wealth.

Anyone who says "man made climate change", is a %$&##$! idiot.. :laughing:
Blah, blah, blah....



:buhbye:

Cant you shiznbits post up more threads here instead of hanging out at vettebarn?


:spanked:


New fookin job I gots at military aerospace company with my own pc, on demand hs internet, wifi, big bennies, free hc... and goodies, and you
turkeys all gone all the time.....:D


Pick up the pace, man.:D
 

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Blah, blah, blah....



:buhbye:

Cant you shiznbits post up more threads here instead of hanging out at vettebarn?


:spanked:


New fookin job I gots at military aerospace company with my own pc, on demand hs internet, wifi, big bennies, free hc... and goodies, and you
turkeys all gone all the time.....:D


Pick up the pace, man.:D
Sidestep.
 

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It's never been about climate change, it's always been about redistribution of wealth.

Anyone who says "man made climate change", is a %$&##$! idiot.. :laughing:
That's only a small part of it. The 'greenies' know that the entity that controls energy controls the world. After the Obama administration has made energy so expensive under the gusie of keeping to a green agenda and it becomes the most valuable commodity, they will have engineered the biggest coup in modern history. Their cronies will be in control of energy production. And they will control every aspect of our lives as they manipulate it's production and distribution. They will become the new oligarchs.

The green douchebag sheeple don't realize they are being used to popularize the agenda. They're like lemmings marching off the cliff of moderate prosperity to drop into a morass of poverty controlled by a new world order of oligarchs controlling every aspect of thier lives by doling out snippets of whatever energy they deem fit for the masses to assimilate.
 

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I want roast beef for supper tomorrow. I think I'll put one in the freezer so it can cook.

The last several weeks it's been 10-15 degrees below normal where I live. My home town just set a record low temperature. This kind of weather makes it hard for me to believe the earth is warming. No matter how loud you scream, or how many references you post, or what kind of scientist you are, if it's COLDER in my world I'm not gonna buy what you're selling.
 

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Global Warmers - Making it up as they go along: From the Orange county Register

"You may have heard the fascinating explanation for the cold weather sweeping the globe. Yeah, some say that global warming is making the earth cold. There’s, of course, better explanations, but don’t expect to hear them from the global warming alarmists.
We’ll provide some comments on this canard for you on the warmists’ inability to have predicted, let alone explain, the cold snap, though:
“You can make up any analogy you want, but the fact is that computer models don’t show that change,” Pat Michaels, a climatologist and senior fellow at the Cato Institute told The Daily Caller. It is, said Michaels, the “core problem of climatology:” “It is attempting to explain everything even when everything becomes contradictory.”
And this:
“They make this stuff up as they go along,” said Myron Ebell, director of the Center of Energy and Environment at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
And this:
“This failure to skillfully predict any of the extreme weather patterns we have seen in the past should be a wake-up call to policymakers and the public that the climate science community is overselling the prediction skill that is possible,”
writes Roger Pielke Sr. “Unfortunately, they also continue to miss the significance that it is the regional circulations that matter much more, not a global average anomaly, as I discussed on my post:
An Example of Why Regional Weather Patterns Are More Important Than A Global-Average Temperature Anomaly
“… Moreover, until and unless they can skillfully predict observationally documented CHANGES in the statistics (probabilities) of the different major circulation patterns, their explanations are necessarily flawed. There is no evidence that the global climate model multi-decadal predictions (and even shorter term runs on a year or less into the future) have the needed skill.”
But what the heck, why not implement a bunch of costly rules and regulations and taxes and penalties to curb greenhouse gas emissions by microscopic margins even though they probably have nothing to do with temperature increases and even if temperature increases aren’t threatening?
What’s the worst that can happen? Wreck the economy?

Link: http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2...-explanations-made-up-as-they-go-along/39160/

russian drought


Ozz drought


Beijing drought



Worst in decades for all of them.

Ozz has been or the last 12 years
 

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Let me go out on a limb here and take Dune seriously.

Global warming could be good for these drought stricken areas.

A warmer globe means warmer oceans with means more evaportaion of water. That means more water in the air to make precipitaion. Man made pollution means more particles to become precipitaion nucli and that makes for increased chances of forming precipitaion.

Also one of the biggest flaws of the global warming models is that none of them take into account cloud cover or precipitaion. Direct sunlight it a major factor in the heating of the earth's surface.
 

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Let me go out on a limb here and take Dune seriously.

Global warming could be good for these drought stricken areas.

A warmer globe means warmer oceans with means more evaportaion of water. That means more water in the air to make precipitaion. Man made pollution means more particles to become precipitaion nucli and that makes for increased chances of forming precipitaion.

Also one of the biggest flaws of the global warming models is that none of them take into account cloud cover or precipitaion. Direct sunlight it a major factor in the heating of the earth's surface.
:agree:

In the referenced article the meteorologist interviewed states that the top 30 meteres of the ocean contains as much heat as the entire atmosphere, and that it has been cooling. The warmers haven't taken this into account, either out of ignorance or choice, but until they incorporate that data into thier assumptions they aren't constructing accurate and complete models.
 

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And what exactly would relieving the US of more wealth, help? Even if the fairy tale was real, man isn't going to conquer nature, and the sooner you noodle brains figure that out, the better.
It will help the elites become the oligarch's in the new world order.

Dune wants this...along with the other warmers...socialized energy.

The irony of it all is, even if they get what they want, the production and use of oil will not change one iota, and they will think they've 'won'.
 

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Its a fact that sea levels are 15-20" higher than they were 2500 years ago. How could this have happened? Some of the ice shelves has melted since then. Surely medieval man caused this by burning all that wood to do stuff like cook and stay warm. How horrible of them. Think of all the habitat of the polar bears they ruined by doing this!!!!
 

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lol, perfect timing. Someone must have read this thread...

A new year is around the corner, and some climate scientists and environmental activists say that means we're one step closer to a climate Armageddon. But are we really?

Predicting the weather -- especially a decade or more in advance -- is unbelievably challenging. What's the track record of those most worried about global warming? Decades ago, what did prominent scientists think the environment would be like in 2010? FoxNews.com has compiled eight of the most egregiously mistaken predictions, and asked the predictors to reflect on what really happened.

1. Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.

Ten years later, in December 2009, London was hit by the heaviest snowfall seen in 20 years. And just last week, a snowstorm forced Heathrow airport to shut down, stranding thousands of Christmas travelers.

A spokesman for the government-funded British Council, where Viner now works as the lead climate change expert, told FoxNews.com that climate science had improved since the prediction was made.

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Herbert also pointed to another prediction from Viner in the same article, in which Viner predicted that "heavy snow would return occasionally" and that it would "probably cause chaos in 20 years time." Other scientists said "a few years" was simply too short a time frame for kids to forget what snow was.

"I'd say at some point, say 50 years from now, it might be right. If he said a few years, that was an unwise prediction," said Michael Oppenheimer, director of Princeton University's Program in Science, Technology and Environmental Policy.

Of course, Oppenheimer himself is known for controversial global warming scenarios.

2. "[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.

Oppenheimer told FoxNews.com that he was trying to illustrate one possible outcome of failing to curb emissions, not making a specific prediction. He added that the gist of his story had in fact come true, even if the events had not occurred in the U.S.

"On the whole I would stand by these predictions -- not predictions, sorry, scenarios -- as having at least in a general way actually come true," he said. "There's been extensive drought, devastating drought, in significant parts of the world. The fraction of the world that's in drought has increased over that period."

That may be in doubt, however. Data from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center shows that precipitation -- rain and snow -- has increased slightly over the century.

3. "Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.

Ice coverage has fallen, though as of last month, the Arctic Ocean had 3.82 million square miles of ice cover -- an area larger than the continental United States -- according to The National Snow and Ice Data Center.

4. "Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." Associated Press, May 15, 1989.

Status of prediction: According to NASA, global temperature has increased by about 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1989. And U.S. temperature has increased even less over the same period.

The group that did the study, Atmospheric and Environmental Research Inc., said it could not comment in time for this story due to the holidays.

But Oppenheimer said that the difference between an increase of nearly one degree and an increase of two degrees was "definitely within the margin of error... I would think the scientists themselves would be happy with that prediction."

Many scientists, especially in the 1970s, made an error in the other direction by predicting global freezing:

5. "By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." Life magazine, January 1970.

Life Magazine also noted that some people disagree, "but scientists have solid experimental and historical evidence to support each of the following predictions."

Air quality has actually improved since 1970. Studies find that sunlight reaching the Earth fell by somewhere between 3 and 5 percent over the period in question.

6. "If present trends continue, the world will be ... eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Kenneth E.F. Watt, in "Earth Day," 1970.

According to NASA, global temperature has increased by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1970.

How could scientists have made such off-base claims? Dr. Paul Ehrlich, author of "The Population Bomb" and president of Stanford University's Center for Conservation Biology, told FoxNews.com that ideas about climate science changed a great deal in the the '70s and '80s.

"Present trends didn't continue," Ehrlich said of Watt's prediction. "There was considerable debate in the climatological community in the '60s about whether there would be cooling or warming … Discoveries in the '70s and '80s showed that the warming was going to be the overwhelming force."

Ehrlich told FoxNews.com that the consequences of future warming could be dire.

The proverbial excrement is "a lot closer to the fan than it was in 1968," he said. "And every single colleague I have agrees with that."

He added, "Scientists don't live by the opinion of Rush Limbaugh and Palin and George W. They live by the support of their colleagues, and I've had full support of my colleagues continuously."

But Ehrlich admits that several of his own past environmental predictions have not come true:

7. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

Ehrlich's prediction was taken seriously when he made it, and New Scientist magazine underscored his speech in an editorial titled "In Praise of Prophets."

"When you predict the future, you get things wrong," Ehrlich admitted, but "how wrong is another question. I would have lost if I had had taken the bet. However, if you look closely at England, what can I tell you? They're having all kinds of problems, just like everybody else."

8. "In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

"Certainly the first part of that was very largely true -- only off in time," Ehrlich told FoxNews.com. "The second part is, well -- the fish haven't washed up, but there are very large dead zones around the world, and they frequently produce considerable stench."

"Again, not totally accurate, but I never claimed to predict the future with full accuracy," he said.
Origonal Link here. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/30/botched-environmental-forecasts/#
 

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It's never been about climate change, it's always been about redistribution of wealth.

Anyone who says "man made climate change", is a %$&##$! idiot..
:agree:

And, the usual and expected idiots will continue to wear their ignorance like a badge of honor. You just can't fix stupid.
 
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