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WASHINGTON – In a sharp challenge to the Obama administration, House Republicans intend to unveil legislation Wednesday to ban the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act and expect to advance the bill quickly, officials disclosed Tuesday night.

The officials said the bill would nullify all of the steps the EPA has taken to date on the issue, including a threshold finding that greenhouse gases constitute a danger to the public health and welfare.
In addition, it seeks to strip the agency of its authority to use the law in any future attempts to crack down on the emissions from factories, utilities and other stationary sources.

Many scientists say that carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping pollution contribute to global warming, and attempts at regulating them is a major priority for President Barack Obama as well as environmentalists. Critics argue the evidence is thin and that new rules will drive up the cost of business and cause the loss of jobs.

The officials who described the GOP plans did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to pre-empt the release of a draft measure prepared by the Energy and Commerce Committee, chaired by Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan.

The legislation marks yet another arena in which newly empowered House Republicans are moving quickly to challenge the administration.
Sworn into office less than a month ago, the House has already voted to repeal last year's health care law and is advancing toward a series of expected confrontations with Obama over Republican demands for deep spending cuts. In addition, Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, recently announced support for legislation to restrict abortions.

A vote on the greenhouse gases bill would occur first in the Energy and Commerce Committee, and is expected later this winter. The measure would then go to the House floor, where Republicans express confidence they have a strong enough majority to overcome objections by Democrats, many of whom are expected to oppose it on environmental grounds.

Republicans are attempting similar restrictions in the Senate, where the Democrats are in a majority and the political situation is more complicated. Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming has introduced a more sweeping measure than the one House Republicans are drafting. At the same time, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., has proposed a two-year moratorium on EPA attempts to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act, a plan that already has attracted a handful of Democratic supporters.

The Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the EPA has authority to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act, but it wasn't until the Obama administration took office that the effort began.

Initially, the administration's principal focus in the area was on passage of legislation to impose restrictions, but that attempt failed when the Senate balked at a bill Democrats pushed through the House in 2009.

Since the Republican election gains of last fall, Obama has made several moves to accommodate the concerns of business, including an executive order to weed out proposed new regulations that would hurt job growth. Despite the order, there has been no indication to date that the White House intends to stop plans to regulate greenhouse gases through the Clean Air Act.
In a statement posted on its website late last year, the EPA announced it is moving unilaterally to clamp down on power plant and oil refinery greenhouse emissions, announcing plans for developing new standards over the next year.
EPA administrator Lisa Jackson said the aim was to better cope with pollution contributing to climate change.

"We are following through on our commitment to proceed in a measured and careful way to reduce GHG pollution that threatens the health and welfare of Americans," Jackson said in a statement. She said emissions from power plants and oil refineries constitute about 40 percent of the greenhouse gas pollution in this country.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/02...s-regulations/
 

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WASHINGTON – In a sharp challenge to the Obama administration, House Republicans intend to unveil legislation Wednesday to ban the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act and expect to advance the bill quickly, officials disclosed Tuesday night.

The officials said the bill would nullify all of the steps the EPA has taken to date on the issue, including a threshold finding that greenhouse gases constitute a danger to the public health and welfare.
In addition, it seeks to strip the agency of its authority to use the law in any future attempts to crack down on the emissions from factories, utilities and other stationary sources.

Many scientists say that carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping pollution contribute to global warming, and attempts at regulating them is a major priority for President Barack Obama as well as environmentalists. Critics argue the evidence is thin and that new rules will drive up the cost of business and cause the loss of jobs.

The officials who described the GOP plans did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to pre-empt the release of a draft measure prepared by the Energy and Commerce Committee, chaired by Rep. Fred Upton of Michigan.

The legislation marks yet another arena in which newly empowered House Republicans are moving quickly to challenge the administration.
Sworn into office less than a month ago, the House has already voted to repeal last year's health care law and is advancing toward a series of expected confrontations with Obama over Republican demands for deep spending cuts. In addition, Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, recently announced support for legislation to restrict abortions.

A vote on the greenhouse gases bill would occur first in the Energy and Commerce Committee, and is expected later this winter. The measure would then go to the House floor, where Republicans express confidence they have a strong enough majority to overcome objections by Democrats, many of whom are expected to oppose it on environmental grounds.

Republicans are attempting similar restrictions in the Senate, where the Democrats are in a majority and the political situation is more complicated. Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming has introduced a more sweeping measure than the one House Republicans are drafting. At the same time, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., has proposed a two-year moratorium on EPA attempts to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act, a plan that already has attracted a handful of Democratic supporters.

The Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the EPA has authority to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act, but it wasn't until the Obama administration took office that the effort began.

Initially, the administration's principal focus in the area was on passage of legislation to impose restrictions, but that attempt failed when the Senate balked at a bill Democrats pushed through the House in 2009.

Since the Republican election gains of last fall, Obama has made several moves to accommodate the concerns of business, including an executive order to weed out proposed new regulations that would hurt job growth. Despite the order, there has been no indication to date that the White House intends to stop plans to regulate greenhouse gases through the Clean Air Act.
In a statement posted on its website late last year, the EPA announced it is moving unilaterally to clamp down on power plant and oil refinery greenhouse emissions, announcing plans for developing new standards over the next year.
EPA administrator Lisa Jackson said the aim was to better cope with pollution contributing to climate change.

"We are following through on our commitment to proceed in a measured and careful way to reduce GHG pollution that threatens the health and welfare of Americans," Jackson said in a statement. She said emissions from power plants and oil refineries constitute about 40 percent of the greenhouse gas pollution in this country.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/02...s-regulations/
ouch...

That'll get a few million more people laid off and **** up things like credit, forclosures, welfare costs, unemployment burden...ect.....MORE....


top notch, thinkin there......
 

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Many scientists say that carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping pollution contribute to global warming, and attempts at regulating them is a major priority for President Barack Obama as well as environmentalists. Critics argue the evidence is thin and that new rules will drive up the cost of business and cause the loss of jobs.

Global Warming:


Now they get to prove it
 

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ouch...

That'll get a few million more people laid off and **** up things like credit, forclosures, welfare costs, unemployment burden...ect....
The EPA did the opposite of all that ? They employ a few million. They kept foreclosures from occurring ? They lowered the cost of welfare ? They keep unemployment costs in check... due to what... ultra low wages they pay to millions... saving their credit ?
 

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The EPA did the opposite of all that ? They employ a few million. They kept foreclosures from occurring ? They lowered the cost of welfare ? They keep unemployment costs in check... due to what... ultra low wages they pay to millions... saving their credit ?


eh?




wha????




huh??????










(squinting and shaking my head...)

where's my tylenol.....:rolleyes:












It's a economic sector, dude....
 

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The only people that need laid off are the ones working for the EPA. They are in the same class as the people working for the IRS. Too much power and not enough control of them.
 

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The only people that need laid off are the ones working for the EPA. They are in the same class as the people working for the IRS. Too much power and not enough control of them.
That's right mann

This will teach them

Dont Mess With Texas :nuts:
 

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Eliminate the EPA!!! let's open up off shore drilling and drilling in Alaska. Lets get the price of gas below $2.00!

On second thought if gas is above $5.00 a gallon in 2012 Obama can then join the ranks of the unemployed.
 

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Eliminate the EPA!!! let's open up off shore drilling and drilling in Alaska. Lets get the price of gas below $2.00!

On second thought if gas is above $5.00 a gallon in 2012 Obama can then join the ranks of the unemployed.
Burn E85 or Blend it with your gasoline

It's a 100% Domestic fuel

And you will help employ a whole lot of Americans,

Then we wont need the Nazis over at EPA

Also you wont be funding some terrorist group abroad

 

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Burn E85 or Blend it with your gasoline

It's a 100% Domestic fuel

And you will help employ a whole lot of Americans,

Then we wont need the Nazis over at EPA

Also you wont be funding some terrorist group abroad

Dude I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you, but if the U.S. used 100% of its farm land to grow corn for E85 it would make less than 10% of the fuel needed to run the cars in the U.S. being driven on the roads today. Drill Here, Drill Now!:D
 

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Dude I hate to be the one to break the bad news to you, but if the U.S. used 100% of its farm land to grow corn for E85 it would make less than 10% of the fuel needed to run the cars in the U.S. being driven on the roads today. Drill Here, Drill Now!:D
False Information

Brazil has 195 M people using Ethanol already

Also Sugar cane is #1 for ethanol production in the world,

Also our current Mix at the pumps already has 10-15% ethanol in it

It's already here dude and spreading like wild fire,

Embrace it

You remind me of some of the Old Dudes that were all pissed off when we changed over to EFI and all them wires,sensors and computers started showing up under the hood
 

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Eliminate the EPA!!! let's open up off shore drilling and drilling in Alaska. Lets get the price of gas below $2.00!


Oil pricing is set by global demand dude.

They dont drill it and pump it and put it in a can with your name on it.
 

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Oil pricing is set by global demand dude.

They dont drill it and pump it and put it in a can with your name on it.
That is the single most lucid, insightful, thoughtful, and CORRECT thing that I've ever seen you post.

Wow!

Steven
 

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It's a economic sector, dude....
It's a regulatory sector that impacts economics... dude. It creates nothing. It impairs everything... from agriculture to manufacturing to energy. Reduce it to the bare essentials needed... double the fines and prison time for unlawful polluting, etc... and we will have growth in every sector due to a lack of deterrence... including housing.
 

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It's a regulatory sector that impacts economics... dude. It creates nothing. It impairs everything... from agriculture to manufacturing to energy. Reduce it to the bare essentials needed... double the fines and prison time for unlawful polluting, etc... and we will have growth in every sector due to a lack of deterrence... including housing.
Wrong.





:rolleyes:




here...

replace the word life with jobs...


mmmmmm



and replace the words destruction with regulation....







"Priest Vito Cornelius: I try to serve life. But you only...seem to want to destroy it.

Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg: Oh, Father, you're so wrong. Let me explain. [closes office door, places an empty glass on desk] Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos. Take this empty glass. Here it is, peaceful, serene and boring. But if it is. [Pushes glass off table and crashed.] Destroyed! [robot cleaners move to clean broken glass] Look at all these little things. So busy now. Notice how each one is useful. What a lovely ballet ensues, so full of form and color. Now, think about all those people that created them. Technicians, engineers, hundreds of people who'll be able to feed their children tonight so those children can grow up big and strong and have little teeny weeny children of their own, and so on and so forth. Thus, adding to the great chain... of life. [Desk prepares a glass of water and a bowl of fruit] You see, Father, by creating a little destruction, I'm actually encouraging life. In reality, you and I are in the same business. Cheers"










Need equipment to reduce smoke stack pollutants..

Hire green indusrty/sub industry/service industry consultants, call sales/marketing green industry/sub industry/service industry vendors, buy products created from green industry/sub industry/design industry/engineering industry, built with materials from the manufacutring/supply industry/green indusrty/sub industry/, assembled in the manufacturing/green industry/sub industry/, inspected by the engineering/green industry/sub industry/ materials inspected by the engineering/green industry/sub industry/, and created by the engineering/prototype/applications/green industry/sub industry, controlled by the electrical component/controller/ green industry/sub industry/,installed by the construction/green industry/sub industry, the electrical/building/green industry/sub industry, inspected by the local civil engineering/green industry/sub industry, who ate lunch with the construction workers at the resturant/service/sub industry, which is driven by more civil codes of operation/regulation from the local food safety civil industry, and get their food from the agri industry.....who have their own....ect...

Reboot to line one of the paragraph....

but it's not a wash rinse repeat.....it's a sub tier of the beginning of the first tier....as are many of the other industries affected.......and so on, and so on.....ect...


trickle down.....



Your paint can does NOT represent the jobs of only the manufacturing comppany that produces that paint can.


Dig?
 

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Wow, man.

You want to build a barn. There are two scenarios.

Build a barn with no rules... using labor and materials of your choice, on land of your choosing. Barn gets built... everybody wins.

Build a barn with regulations in each sector. You must use a licensed contractor. This reduces the pool of employment. You may only build it from specified materials. This reduces the employment of those not on that list... which reduces the availability of funds for those not on the list. You may only build on land that is deemed suitable by the regulation. Land on those sites are far more expensive due to the regulation... and have now made the entire build out of the price range of the builder. The building does not get built due to the regulations... everybody looses... due to the regulation needing to create new regulations in order to pay for the people it has to hire to form and police the regulation.

Everybody looses. The more regulation there is... the higher the cost. The higher the cost... the less gets built. The less gets built the fewer employees are needed. The fewer employees needed... the less manufacturing has a call for raw materials. The less the need for raw materials... well, I'm sure you understand by now.
 

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Eliminate the EPA!!! let's open up off shore drilling and drilling in Alaska. Lets get the price of gas below $2.00!

On second thought if gas is above $5.00 a gallon in 2012 Obama can then join the ranks of the unemployed.
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Wow, man.

You want to build a barn. There are two scenarios.
no.....:rolleyes:


this is not a union thread....:rolleyes:


And your analogy is flawed.

There needs to be a new spending cycle and sector completely removed from one of your two scenarios.
 

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Oh... OK bro. We'll just leave it at the EPA creates millions of jobs and reducing their regulatory power would cause these jobs to go away and put further strain on the economy. :thumbsup:
 

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Oh... OK bro. We'll just leave it at the EPA creates millions of jobs and reducing their regulatory power would cause these jobs to go away and put further strain on the economy. :thumbsup:
no...






I'm not praising the EPA as a golden goose here...

It's got it's overreaching issues.
But dont throw out the baby with the bathwater.


We are behind other countries in green tech.
That's a problem.




Let's try this:

Show me a city that had smog problems and implemented emissions changes to clean up the air.....
But pushed all the local economies into bankruptcy and created ghost towns.

:D:huh:
 
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