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I was raised as a devout Christian and Chevy lover - yes in the same sentence. Pontiacs, buicks, Olds & Cads were distant cousins who had lost their way because they wore no bow tie. The word "Ford" was used as a swear word in my house. My father owned a share of a Chevy dealership for 7 years and my family owned Chevys exclusively for my first 14 years (a bonneville made it into our garage at that time and I almost ran away from home in disgust). I have driven nothing but Chevys and Corvettes as my personal cars and "allowed" the wife to have an Olds and recently a C class MB - oh, the shame.

But, today's chevy dealer is NOT the same "Mecca" that I grew up with. I saw, road in, and was priviliged to "drive around to be washed" a myriad of SS chevys, each inspiring in its own way. However, on a trip to today's Chevy dealer (not looking at or caring about trucks here!) one sees only uninspired FWD econoboxes. Gone are the Novas SS, Camaros SS & Z28s, Chevelle SS396 / SS454, and RWD, big block Impala SS that could make one drool. Granted most of these could not stop or handle with today's tech improvements, but each was a great car on its own that DEMANDED road respect that is wanting in today's chevys.

In the midst of all this FWD econobox cardom is a throne upon which a very out of place Corvette sits. Our beloved Icon has as much in common with the rest of the Chevrolet lineup as Porsche has in common with VW - maybe less these days.

Finally to my points:
1. As we see the Corvette models begin to expand (C6 Coupe & Vert, "more unique Z06" we've been told, and ZL1 super vette), I think it is time our Icon attained the status of being a mark of its own. The Vette should be sold only at GM dealerships that qualify by meeting certain, higher standards of service and sales. Certainly some Chevy dealers could continue to sell the new / old mark, but so could some Cad dealers, for example.
2. With the death of the Camaro, there is no little brother for which those who are slightly less fiscally fortunate to drive until their vette ship comes in. GM is making a mid engine Opel Speedster and will soon make the RWD Solstice for Pontiac. Ether of these platforms could have a nice V6 crammed into the engine bay and with appropriate body mods make a fine entry level vette to be proud of. This would round out a very respectable Corvette Mark, IMO.

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Nothing to really flame about.

As for the Vette being sold only at GM dealerships that qualify by meeting certain, higher standards of service and sales.... I couldn't agree more! But, you might as well just make the Corvette a seperate brand because you won't see "higher standard" chevy dealers anytime soon.

You go to to a Porsche, Jaguar or Land Rover dealer and you are treated wonderfully and like royalty (I know, I have a Land Rover). You go to buy a beautiful C6 Vette from "Bobby Brown's Highwood Chevy" and your experience is robbed from you because of the attitude of the 20 year old sales punk -- and the ugly cavalier on the showroom floor just 10 feet away.

The only cool thing is museum delivery. At least that 20 year old punk isn't handing you the keys.:thumbsup:
 

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Nothing to really flame about.

As for the Vette being sold only at GM dealerships that qualify by meeting certain, higher standards of service and sales.... I couldn't agree more! But, you might as well just make the Corvette a seperate brand because you won't see "higher standard" chevy dealers anytime soon.

You go to to a Porsche, Jaguar or Land Rover dealer and you are treated wonderfully and like royalty (I know, I have a Land Rover). You go to buy a beautiful C6 Vette from "Bobby Brown's Highwood Chevy" and your experience is robbed from you because of the attitude of the 20 year old sales punk -- and the ugly cavalier on the showroom floor just 10 feet away.

The only cool thing is museum delivery. At least that 20 year old punk isn't handing you the keys.:thumbsup:
I hear you Patrick. I have to admit that buying the wife's MB, and getting it serviced, was and is a VERY different (better) experience from any I have had elsewhere.

As for seperate brand - that IS what I am endorsing. Like a GMC truck, the vette could be sold at a Vette exclusive dealer, or a qualifying dealer. I have read of some Chevy dealers in the east (of me anyway) who are vette specialists and service their customers well. Those guys should not be shut out by my suggested changes. I vettes were to be sold exclusively in separate, dedicated dealerships, I fear that overhead would be higher than you and I would want to pay.
 

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I too, wish I could take my car to a dealership and have it pampered. I recently followed a coworker to a local Porsche dealership so he could have his Boxter serviced. These people know how to treat their cars AND there clients. I say clients, rather than customers, because the word suggests there is a relationship that will exist beyond the simple purchase of a vehicle. They understand the reality that those who buy cars such as Porsches, Corvettes, etc. have a appreciation (love) for their car that no Cavalier owner ever will.

All that said, GM will probably never invest the capital necessary to build dealerships just for Corvettes. They just don't sell enough of them to warrant the expense of securing land, building the necessary facilities, etc. for just one marque. However, rumors have circulated in the recent past regarding a combination Corvette (Camaro?)/ Saab, Cadillac facility.

Only time will tell.
 

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All that said, GM will probably never invest the capital necessary to build dealerships just for Corvettes. They just don't sell enough of them to warrant the expense of securing land, building the necessary facilities, etc. for just one marque. However, rumors have circulated in the recent past regarding a combination Corvette (Camaro?)/ Saab, Cadillac facility.

Only time will tell.
I agree, as I indicated above, the overhead for a Vettes only dealer would likely be prohibitive. In the mid-90's one of GM's many reorganization plans called for a "premium group" as you described, and similar to Ford's.

There are many things to consider, however. Existing Saab, and Cad dealers would demand compensation for any changes (facility expansion or elimination). GM also wants to bring Alpha Romeo back to the US and this would be in this group. My suggestion requires the dealership to dedicate higher tier resources to Vette within an existing structure. Overhead costs would not be exorbitant, but we would not have the same guy popping the hubcaps off of a Cavalier and taking our polished rims off our vettes.
 

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I too am a chevy person. I've always found it interesting that the chevy name and logo are barely even represented on a corvette. Just one little tiny bowtie on the corvette logo. Come to think of it, if I'm not mistaken, the chevy name isn't anywhere on the vette. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people out there don't even know a corette is a chevy. I guess it's an attempt to set the vette apart from all the other chevy's that it doesn't really belong with. But, you'd think that chevy would want their name on a car like the vette. I know I'd be proud of it. It's almost as if they don't want to take credit for it.

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Oh, by the way, the vette's little brother is due back in '07! I can't wait!
 

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Agree, Agree,Agree....some dealers around here do cater to Corvette owners , a good case in point is Bob McDorman Chev. in Canal Winchester,Ohio. If your interest is Corvettes then they call the "Corvette Specialist" to wait on you. This dealer has always been a Corvette nut and does a lot for the corvette people. I think there should be something extra at every dealer for the corvette people. just my 2 cents :rolleyes:
 

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Wow. This is an interesting response. Historically I have been flamed heavily for these views. If I haven't offended the chevy lovers, I manage to "threaten" those who don't want the vette "deluted", whatever that means.
 

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Longtimer,

I agree with you 100%. My Chevrolet dealer gives the Corvette owners very special treatment. The owner is a Corvette guy and to some extent I think that makes a difference. When you call to make an appointment they'll ask if you would like the car picked up and delivered. I've never done that but one of my coworkers did and all went well. They always ask if you want them to detail the car while it's in. They do better detailing than you can - hands down. When you go to pick up the car they offer a wide selection of refreshments and actually ask if you are still happy with the vehicle.

As a result I plan to purchase a new 2006 Z06 and it will most definately be with this dealer.

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Holy cow Fenwick, take a sedative. You're shouting. I do agree with you somewhat. There is a market for big V-8 rear drive cars, why do you think SUV's are popular? The baby boomers (currently largest group in U.S.) would happily shell out the bucks for a big V-8 musclecar. They may not be for everyone (me included), but they WOULD sell WELL if done right. I also agree that the Corvette should be moved away from Chevrolet as a stand alone product. I would like to see the Cadillac dealers sell / service them. I think GM has BIG plans for Cadillac's comeback and it will be done right, and service will be a part of that comeback. :buhbye:
 

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Perhaps I misunderstood the comment about Porsche and VW. I believe they share a common ground but different mission statements. Biggest case in point is the Porsche Cayenne and VW Toureg. Both were designed at the same time by the same design team.

I have had very different experiences at 2 different Porsche dealers in the very recent past. The first dealer took my wife and I out to his lot of new Cayennes and after a few questions and comments lead us back inside to touch and feel the one on the showroom floor, my wife was concerned that the tailgate was gonna be a clunky heavy thing. The salesman told us he has other customers out on a demo ride and needed to check on them. he then walked 15 feet away and stood at the mangers desk and talked with him, never came back to us and as we left walking right past him, he never said boo. (maybe if was the Vette parked out front that bothered him).

The next dealer we visited was not quite so crude at first but as our dealings progressed I was sorry I ever walked into the place. We did make a deal at that dealer and that's when the real BS started. i called Porsche and they gave me the name of the general manager and suggested I talk to him. The guy they told me to talk to was no longer there so I left message for the new guy, I called 2 days in a row, and the sales manager called. (he had come from the first dealership along with the ass we made our deal with)

I'll stop now cause my blood pressure is rising again. During my vacation I will be taking all my notes and composing 2 letters and will be mailing upon return home. One to Porsche USA and one to the owner of the dealership.

While I really do not like my MB ML320, I will say that I have had the better dealer experience with MB. (except 1 time they tried to give me a Corolla as a loaner).

rant over, thanks.
 

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2. With the death of the Camaro, there is no little brother for which those who are slightly less fiscally fortunate to drive until their vette ship comes in. GM is making a mid engine Opel Speedster and will soon make the RWD Solstice for Pontiac. Ether of these platforms could have a nice V6 crammed into the engine bay and with appropriate body mods make a fine entry level vette to be proud of. This would round out a very respectable Corvette Mark, IMO.

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Can't remember where, but I read a bad rumor that the Solstice may be renamed Firebird when it hits production. Pardon me, but that would just plain suck sh*t. Slap a Pontiac grill on a Miata and call it a Firebird? Please. You couldn't get any closer to a 'Vette than its cousin the 4th Gen Firebird (and for 17k-20k less...?) Oh, why did it have to die?

The Opel Speedster's a pretty nifty car, but isn't it strictly for the European market?

A good rumor I've read is that the Camaro may be resurrected. IMO it should. All it needs, IMO, is a styling change (plenty of great concepts on the net) and a little less weight.

Looking forward to owning a Sweet C6, but still grieving the Fbod's passing. And the GTO does little to ease the pain. :(
 

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Hi, my name is Wim and i'm from the Netherlands.
I find this discussion remarkable because in the Netherlands Gm lost the dealership of the Corvette and Cadillac to Kroymans.
Untill now Kroymans is dealer for Ferrari, so if you buy a Corvette in the Netherlands, the only yhing that you have to accept is the sight of a Ferrari next to the Vette :cool:

Oh and btw I own a 1976 Corvette. You van find pictures at:

http://www.janpeters.nl/corvette/corvette.html

 

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Glad you could join us........why did they lose the dealership?, service or what?
 

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I really don't know why yhey lost it. I only know that Kroymans bought the exclusive rights to import Cadillac en Corvettes in Europe.
Most corvette owners here want to know how this will develope in the future. This because the Corvette scene in the Netherlands is 'a little' different than the Ferrari scene ;)
 

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Welcome to the forum. Nice car. :)
 

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Re: Re: Corvette, not Chevy Corvette ...

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Can't remember where, but I read a bad rumor that the Solstice may be renamed Firebird when it hits production. Pardon me, but that would just plain suck sh*t. Slap a Pontiac grill on a Miata and call it a Firebird? Please. You couldn't get any closer to a 'Vette than its cousin the 4th Gen Firebird (and for 17k-20k less...?) Oh, why did it have to die?


The popularity of high performance 4 door sedans has significantly reduced the demand for high perf coupes. The Firbird and Camaro were competing against each other in a very deminished market. Analagous to the Oldsmobile and Buick. Result: Firbird and Olds are gone. If the bird returns, it will never be a pony car again, so you may as well accept that. The GTO will be filling the high perf roll at pontiac.

The Opel Speedster's a pretty nifty car, but isn't it strictly for the European market?
Vauxhall also makes a version of the speedster in England. Yes, both are built for the European market - just as the Catera was really an Opel Omega in Europe and the GTO is a Holden in Austrailia. Certainly the GTO demonstrates that GM can do a good job today of adapting an international car to US market, and offer it at a reasonble price. Yes, the styling is a bit bland, but the chassis is scheduled for replacement in about 18 -20 months so they were trying to keep the price down.

A good rumor I've read is that the Camaro may be resurrected. IMO it should. All it needs, IMO, is a styling change (plenty of great concepts on the net) and a little less weight.
This has been all but confirmed (I've read 06 or 07). I agree that there is way too much good will in the Camaro name for it to be away from the market as long as it has been. The problem, as you stated is weight & cost. The Cad Sigma platform (CTS, SRX, upcoming STS) is too expensive and really too heavy IMO. Only other RWD platform available right now is the Trailblazer / Envoy / SSR (GM code excapes me right now). That chassis is waaaaaay tooo heavy and would need completely different geometry for a Camaro.

Looking forward to owning a Sweet C6, but still grieving the Fbod's passing. And the GTO does little to ease the pain. :(
Look for the new RWD chassis that will be under the next gen GTO to be used for several new cars, IMO. At least a Camaro and a 4 door "something" that will follow the styling of the SS Concept will ride atop that new chassis. At the last car show I went to I spoke at length to a Chevy rep who said that he was getting more positive feed back on that SS Concept than they received on the SSR, which as you know, went into production.

We have some posts here that demonstrate, IMO, the kind of relationship vette owners deserve to have with their dealers. Maybe this is common in the Mid West, but not out here. I've been driving vettes here in So Cal for over 28 years. I have probably delt with a dozen different dealers here in that time. I am not exagerating when I say that there is only one service department that I would trust a third time and I must pass two other Chevy dealers to get to it. Any dealer who wants to sell vettes should be made to adhere to a qualifying program that would include direct feedback to GM about service issues with dealers. Mercedes does that. In fact, if you don't check "Excellent' in all boxes, the rep will call you and ask what was done - or not done - at the dealer that prevented a "Excellent" rating.
The only place we've ever serviced a car that my wife didn't bitch about - in fact she goes in just for a free wash every couple of weeks - they give her a sandwich while she waits.
 
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