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ROME -- If Americans think fuel and food prices are high, they should try Europe, where both can nearly double those in the United States -- while salaries here are often lower.

Italians, like most now-broke Southern European countries, are desperate to privatize bloated public-owned utilities. Politicians are trying to curb pensions, and to encourage the private sector to hire workers and buy equipment, as a way of attracting wary foreigner parents to lend such perpetual adolescents more bailout money.

In theory, Italians accept that they are going to have to be a lot more like the Germans, and less like the Irish, Portuguese and Spaniards. In fact, they may end up like the Greeks, who are still striking and occasionally rioting because too few foreigners wish to continue subsidizing their socialist paradise. Red graffiti on Italian streets still echoes socialist solidarity, while Italian politicians talk capitalism to foreign lenders.

The European Union, like the 19th-century Congress of Vienna, can point to one achievement -- a general absence of war in Western Europe for more than 60 years. Otherwise, almost all its socialist promises of an equality of result are imploding before their eyes.

The higher taxes go, the more people cheat on them, the less revenue comes in. There are sometimes two prices in Italy (and often elsewhere in Europe) -- the official price that includes a high value-added tax that the unwary pay, and the negotiated, under-the-table, tax-free discount that the haggling shopper obtains.

Europe is essentially defenseless, as governments further trim defense budgets to keep shrinking spread-the-wealth entitlements alive. The French and British -- the continent's two premier military powers -- have been trying for nearly three months to defeat Muammar Gadhafi's ragtag nation of less than 7 million, itself rent by civil war. The ancestors of Wellington and Napoleon so far seem no match for Gadhafi or the Taliban. Both nations will soon be leaving Afghanistan in frustration.

Subsidized wind and solar power have not led to much of an increase in European electricity supplies, but they helped to make power bills soar. Highly taxed gas runs about $10 a gallon, ensuring tiny cars and dependence on mass transit. Central planners love the resulting state-subsidized, high-density European apartment living without garages, back yards or third bedrooms. Yet the recent Japanese tsunami and accompanying nuclear contamination have reminded European governments that their similarly fragile models of highly urbanized, highly concentrated living make them equally vulnerable to such disasters.

Popular culture may praise the use of the subway and train. But about every minute or two, some government grandee in a motorized entourage rushes through traffic as an escort of horn-blaring police forces traffic off to the side. A European technocratic class in limousines that runs government bureaus and international organizations -- for example, disgraced former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn -- lives like 18th-century aristocrats at Versailles as they mouth socialist platitudes.

Throughout Western Europe, a subordinate class of unassimilated North African, sub-Saharan African and Pakistani immigrants hawk wares and do menial labor -- and are increasingly despised by Europeans as times get rougher. A growing number of the working classes here are getting fed up that the welfare state means sky-high fuel and food costs for the masses, small and expensive apartments, limited disposable income -- and lots of aristocratic perks for the technocrats who oversee the redistributive mess. The notion of a large and esteemed class of self-made, independent-thinking business people and empowered upper-middle-class entrepreneurs is a concept that seems foreign, if not subversive.

An acknowledged despair now seems to permeate Western Europe. A glorious past is equated with tourist dollars, not appreciation of the European Renaissance or the Enlightenment. Majestic churches are more moneymaking museums or tourist stops than honored hallmarks of past culture and current faith. European Christendom often helped to preserve humanity through horrific crises, but you would never learn that from the average cynical European, who appears either indifferent to or apologetic about both his religion and the hallowed European origins of Western Civilization, responsible for much of what is good in the world today.

All this European turmoil raises a paradox. If dispirited Europeans are conceding that something is terribly wrong with their half-century-long experiment with socialism, unassimilated immigrants, cultural apologies, defense cuts and post-nationalism, why in the world is the Obama administration intent on adopting what Europeans are rejecting?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/09/europe_is_warning_us_110141.html
 

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For the life of me there is no answer. Not much for the politics of it but the basic issue at the heart of all problems in this country is groups or association businesses etc. want more than they put in. Since there are far more believing the spin man rather using brain power to draw their own ideas and opinions, the only way to wake up the sheeple is the near or complete destruction of life as we know it to incite change. In other words we are ****ed.
 

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Why, indeed...

why in the world is the Obama administration intent on adopting what Europeans are rejecting?
Because, according to Obama, The Unites Stares is an evil, bigoted, unfair and country. We pillage the poor for the prosperity of a few and the wealth must be re-distributed and this nation taught a lesson in fairness.
 

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I'm open to your perspective, elaborate, please.

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For socialists in Europe, the current financial situation is not due to socialism but to the greedy capitalistic pigs who created the current economical chaos; in particular the money grabbing Americans.

Just recently the German finance minister stated that tax payers money shouldn't be used to bail out Greece. He's looking for ways to make the stinking rich capitalists pay Greek debt.

German officials are demanding that private investors contribute a “substantial” amount toward any new bailout of Greece and warned that the country faces an “unorderly default” within weeks if an agreement is not reached.

The demand, conveyed to European and International Monetary Fund officials in a letter this week from German finance minister Wolfgang Schauble, came as negotiations over Greece reach a do-or-die stage.

I'm pretty sure that for Obama socialism is the solution and that the current mess is due to unregulated capitalism. French socialists and communists are advocating increasing the tax on the rich.

This view is shared by socialists in the US, during my stay in NY a couple weeks ago, I had dinner with some colleagues, for many of them socialism is the way to go. It is capitalism that created the current situation; they advocated increasing taxes on the rich and firmly believe it is the appropriate way to go.

Anyway over here, in Europe, many people believe that the fault lies on the capitalist system and not on flaws of socialism or Greek incompetence.

As a reminder, after the fall of U.S.S.R, people were blaming the current hardships in Russia to capitalism and wanted a return of communism.

Just lookup what people in Greek streets say and you will see that for them Socialism is not the issue, it's the fault of greedy capitalistic pigs.
 

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For socialists in Europe, the current financial situation is not due to socialism but to the greedy capitalistic pigs who created the current economical chaos; in particular the money grabbing Americans.

Just recently the German finance minister stated that tax payers money shouldn't be used to bail out Greece. He's looking for ways to make the stinking rich capitalists pay Greek debt.

I'm pretty sure that for Obama socialism is the solution and that the current mess is due to unregulated capitalism. French socialists and communists are advocating increasing the tax on the rich.

This view is shared by socialists in the US, during my stay in NY a couple weeks ago, I had dinner with some colleagues, for many of them socialism is the way to go. It is capitalism that created the current situation; they advocated increasing taxes on the rich and firmly believe it is the appropriate way to go.

Anyway over here, in Europe, many people believe that the fault lies on the capitalist system and not on flaws of socialism or Greek incompetence.

As a reminder, after the fall of U.S.S.R, people were blaming the current hardships in Russia to capitalism and wanted a return of communism.

Just lookup what people in Greek streets say and you will see that for them Socialism is not the issue, it's the fault of greedy capitalistic pigs.
Thanks for the insight. When CEO's make 300 times what the workers make, it's a problem. Governments being controlled by banksters and corps is what got us here. Letting these banks and corps grow unabated into "too big to fail" beasts has been a huge mistake, but people are lazy and good people don't seek public office very often. Seems to be a never ending cycle throughout history. And now the end of the cycle has been reached.

As for Obama & Socialism, forget it. He isn't nothing but another puppet fascist. Good socialist don't like him.. :laughing:
 

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For socialists in Europe, the current financial situation is not due to socialism but to the greedy capitalistic pigs who created the current economical chaos; in particular the money grabbing Americans.

Just recently the German finance minister stated that tax payers money shouldn't be used to bail out Greece. He's looking for ways to make the stinking rich capitalists pay Greek debt.




I'm pretty sure that for Obama socialism is the solution and that the current mess is due to unregulated capitalism. French socialists and communists are advocating increasing the tax on the rich.

This view is shared by socialists in the US, during my stay in NY a couple weeks ago, I had dinner with some colleagues, for many of them socialism is the way to go. It is capitalism that created the current situation; they advocated increasing taxes on the rich and firmly believe it is the appropriate way to go.

Anyway over here, in Europe, many people believe that the fault lies on the capitalist system and not on flaws of socialism or Greek incompetence.

As a reminder, after the fall of U.S.S.R, people were blaming the current hardships in Russia to capitalism and wanted a return of communism.

Just lookup what people in Greek streets say and you will see that for them Socialism is not the issue, it's the fault of greedy capitalistic pigs.
Of course, this isn't my POV of the situation but that of the crowd.
 

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Who are these rich people? Are there really that many of them to offset this growing deficeit? (last I read was on the order of 500,000 per hous hold) How much does a person make before they are considered rich?

So I am guess from what O' bla bla said that if you make more then 250k$ a year (as a couple) you are wealthy?? I would have to disagree strongly against that. Furthure more don't you think that most people with money are smart about their money and know how to side step and manipulate the laws to keep their money?

I would agree though, due to a large amount of greed the American system of capitalism is broken. Personally I have taken steps to avoid the implosion. The debt continues to rise and no one is doing anything about it. It sucks thinking this way about a place that I have served to protect and call home but it is what it is. No one take this personal but I would rather live in an American gutter then anywhere in Europe. Just my .02
 

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For the life of me there is no answer. Not much for the politics of it but the basic issue at the heart of all problems in this country is groups or association businesses etc. want more than they put in. Since there are far more believing the spin man rather using brain power to draw their own ideas and opinions, the only way to wake up the sheeple is the near or complete destruction of life as we know it to incite change. In other words we are ****ed.
How poetic :laughing:

But true


We are also suffering from Extremely bad leadership

the Vote chasers seeking the presidentcy like Obama

Could careless about the country and its people, they only seek to be elected into office

We need to cut all those turds *:nuts:

And find us some true patriots with some business sense and Love of country to vote into our Government in Washington

The Obamanation of America is a Tragic Mistake

He needs to be removed from office and soon

The man child is only playing preident

We need a real man in office that keeps his word and has served this country
 
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