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Hmmmm, must consult 'The Goralcle' :laughing:
 

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Last I heard, he was interviewing for a job with Sham-Wow.. :lookinup:
:rolling::rolling: "They make good stuff in Germany"

The Goracle is fast becomeing The Al a Goracle. :laughing:
 

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I see your article and raise you this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101206/ap_on_sc/climate_disappearing_nations

By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent Charles J. Hanley, Ap Special Correspondent – Mon Dec 6, 2:27 pm ET
CANCUN, Mexico – Encroaching seas in the far Pacific are raising the salt level in the wells of the Marshall Islands. Waves threaten to cut one sliver of an island in two. "It's getting worse," says Kaminaga Kaminaga, the tiny nation's climate change coordinator.

The rising ocean raises questions, too: What happens if the 61,000 Marshallese must abandon their low-lying atolls? Would they still be a nation? With a U.N. seat? With control of their old fisheries and their undersea minerals? Where would they live, and how would they make a living? Who, precisely, would they and their children become?

For years global negotiations to act on climate change have dragged on, with little to show. Parties to the 193-nation U.N. climate treaty are meeting again in this Caribbean resort, but no one expects decisive action to roll back the industrial, agricultural and transport emissions blamed for global warming — and consequently for swelling seas.

From 7,000 miles (11,000 kilometers) away, the people of the Marshalls — and of Kiribati, Tuvalu and other atoll nations beyond — can only wonder how many more years they'll be able to cope.

"People who built their homes close to shore, all they can do is get more rocks to rebuild the seawall in front day by day," said Kaminaga, who is in Cancun with the Marshallese delegation to the U.N. talks.

The Marshallese government is looking beyond today, however, to those ultimate questions of nationhood, displacement and rights.

"We're facing a set of issues unique in the history of the system of nation-states," Dean Bialek, a New York-based adviser to the Republic of the Marshall Islands who is also in Cancun, told The Associated Press. "We're confronting existential issues associated with climate impacts that are not adequately addressed in the international legal framework."

[Related: Island’s wild horses face uncertain future]

The Marshallese government took a first step to confront these issues by asking for advice from the Center for Climate Change Law at New York's Columbia University. The center's director, Michael B. Gerrard, in turn has asked legal scholars worldwide to assemble at Columbia next May to begin to piece together answers.

Nations have faded into history through secession — recently with the breakup of the former Yugoslavia, for example — or through conquest or ceding their territory to other countries.

But "no country has ever physically disappeared, and it's a real void in the law," Gerrard said during an interview in New York.

The U.N. network of climate scientists projects that seas, expanding from heat and from the runoff of melting land ice, may rise by up to 1.94 feet (0.59 meters) by 2100, swamping much of the scarce land of coral atolls.

But the islands may become uninhabitable long before waves wash over them, because of the saline contamination of water supplies and ruining of crops, and because warming is expected to produce more threatening tropical storms.

[Related: Island considers resettling population]

"If a country like Tuvalu or Kiribati were to become uninhabitable, would the people be stateless? What's their position in international law?" asked Australian legal scholar Jane McAdam. "The short answer is, it depends. It's complicated."

McAdam, of the University of New South Wales, has traveled in the atoll nations and studied the legal history.

As far as islanders keeping their citizenship and sovereignty if they abandon their homelands, she said by telephone from Sydney, "it's unclear when a state would end because of climate change. It would come down to what the international community was prepared to tolerate" — that is, whether the U.N. General Assembly would move to take a seat away from a displaced people.

The 1951 global treaty on refugees, mandating that nations shelter those fleeing because of persecution, does not cover the looming situation of those displaced by climate change. Some advocate negotiating a new international pact obliging similar treatment for environmental refugees.

In the case of the Marshallese, the picture is murkier. Under a compact with Washington, citizens of the former U.S. trusteeship territory have the right to freely enter the U.S. for study or work, but their right to permanent residency must be clarified, government advisers say.

The islanders worry, too, about their long-term economic rights. The wide scattering of the Marshalls' 29 atolls, 2,300 miles (3,700 kilometers) southwest of Hawaii, give them an exclusive economic zone of 800,000 square miles (2 million square kilometers) of ocean, an area the size of Mexico.

The tuna coursing through those waters are the Marshalls' chief resource, exploited by selling licenses to foreign fishing fleets. "If their islands go underwater, what becomes of their fishing rights?" Gerrard asked. Potentially just as important: revenues from magnesium and other sea-floor minerals that geologists have been exploring in recent years.

While lawyers at next May's New York conference begin to sort out the puzzle of disappeared nations, the Marshallese will grapple with the growing problems.

The "top priority," Kaminaga said, is to save the isthmus linking the Marshalls' Jaluit island to its airport, a link now swept by high tides.

Meantime, a lingering drought this year led islanders to tap deeper into their wells, finding salty water requiring them to deploy emergency desalination units. And "parts of the islands are eroding away," Kaminaga said, as undermined lines of coconut palms topple into the sea.

This week in Cancun and in the months to come, the Marshalls' representatives will seek international aid for climate adaptation. They envision such projects as a Jaluit causeway, replanting of protective vegetation on shorelines, and a 3-mile-long (5-kilometer-long) seawall protecting their capital, Majuro, from the Pacific's rising tides.

Islanders' hopes are fading, however, for quick, decisive action to slash global emissions and save their remote spits of land for the next century.

"If all these financial and diplomatic tools don't work, I think some countries are looking at some kind of legal measures," said Dessima Williams, Grenada's U.N. ambassador and chair of a group of small island-nations. Those measures might include appeals to the International Court of Justice or other forums for compensation, a difficult route at best.

In the end, islanders wonder, too, what will happen to their culture, their history, their identity with a homeland — even to their ancestors — if they must leave.

"Cemeteries along the coastline are being eroded. Gravesites are falling into the sea," Kaminaga said. "Even in death we're affected."
 

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I see your article and raise you this.
What does sinking islands have to do with man-made climate change scam? :huh:

Are you implying that if we surrender all our wealth, turn off all our technology, starve half the population of the earth, that suddenly the Marshall Islands will quit sinking? **** that, if it's me or them, they are screwed.. :laughing:
 

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There are 61,000 Marshallese to consider. But look at Haiti. There are 7 million that might as well be without a country. It has been scrubbed to the ground and there is no functioning government. I'm not sure why two disasters are looked at differently. You basically do whatever you have to do. If the place becomes uninhabitable, they will have to be moved. With the developing world moving into their industrial ages, greenhouse gasses are going to increase no matter what the developed world does. There is no chance of stopping rising seas if they are related to greenhouse gas production.
 

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Global warming is responsible for all things bad including Severe heat, severe cold, drought, floods, enormous snowfall, and my shitty attitude. Goes to Bush/Cheney/Neocons .....Sad
 

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I see your article and raise you this.
The article says nothing about plate tectonics. The Marshall Islands are part of the pacific rift. Thier sinking is part of the normal plate oscillation. The climate commisioner on the Marshall Islands may have a different opinion, but most real geologists support the plate tectonic scenario.

Marine Biology News
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reefs where Darwin got it exactly right and these are known as atolls. Atolls are ring-shaped groups of islands with
fringing coral reefs (e.g., Enewetak atoll in the Marshall Islands of the central Pacific). These reefs sit atop an
extinct volcano which has subsided for millions of years. As the sea floor moves laterally, in a phenomenon
known as sea floor spreading, the volcano moves into a region of geologically cooler conditions and the crust
subsides and the volcano sinks. Coral grows on the fringe of the volcanic rock above the surface at first, but as the
volcano sinks, the coral reef grows upward, leaving a very tall cylinder of coral rock on top of the sunken volcano. The geophyscist J. Tuzo Wilson realized that plate tectonics might be behind such sinking, but also occasional uplifts of oceanic volcanos. Drowned reefs atop sunken volcanoes are common throughout the Pacific Ocean. The truth of Darwin’s sinking hypothesis was tested once and for all by Harry Ladd and colleagues in the 1950s. They drilled into Enewetak atoll
and found that they had to drill some 4000 feet before encountering volcanic rock, over 40 million years old.
From Natural History Magazine

Not until 1950—while attempting to destroy Eniwetok, an atoll in the Marshall Islands, near the equator in the Pacific Ocean—did science find definitive answers. Preparatory to testing a hydrogen bomb there, the U.S. Government sent geophysicists to drill test cores of the coral deeper than anyone had previously done. Dobbs relates that finally, at 4,200 feet, the drills hit “a greenish basalt, the volcanic mountain on which the reef had originated.”

Dating of the tiny fossils in the bottommost layer of coral showed that the reef had gotten its start in the Eocene. For more than thirty million years this reef had been growing—an inch every millennium—on a sinking volcano, thickening as the lava beneath it subsided.
Full Read here.

There's more, but you get the picture. No climate change there, as much as you'd like it to be.
 
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