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The imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said on Wednesday night that if he had known how much strife would arise over his plan for a Muslim community center and mosque two blocks from the World Trade Center, he would not have proposed it.

“If I knew that this would happen, that this would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn’t have done it,” the imam told Soledad O’Brien on “Larry King Live” on CNN in his first extensive televised remarks since the controversy ballooned after the city approved the project last month. “My life has been devoted to peacemaking.”

But the imam said he could not withdraw the plan because that would embolden radicals of all faiths and create national security risks for the United States and Americans abroad.

“If we move from that location, the story will be that the radicals have taken over the discourse,” he said. “The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack. And I’m less concerned about the radicals in America than I am about the radicals in the Muslim world.”

The NY Times down played his remarks... -in fact, they lied -as far as I am concerned. Rauf insinuated that the terrorists would view this as a DEFEAT -as an attack on Islam. It is a matter of national security that it be built. What is the opposite of defeat ? Is this not the very point we have been making the entire time that we were being called anti-Muslim and unconstitutional ? They view the MOSQUES erection as a symbol of conquest...

Pressed on whether the center would be built on the proposed site, Mr. Abdul Rauf said he hoped to create a center with prayer spaces for Muslims, Jews, Christians and others that would “build relationships between Muslims and non-Muslims.”

Most of the imam’s remarks echoed points he had made in an op-ed article published on Wednesday in The New York Times.

But Mr. Abdul Rauf also addressed two past remarks that had drawn criticism. Revisiting a “60 Minutes” interview in the weeks after 9/11 in which he called American policies “an accessory” to the attacks, he said he had been trying to note that the United States had empowered Islamist militants like Osama bin Laden in their fight against the Soviet Union, and that like a marriage counselor, his job was to tell unpleasant truths to the United States and its Muslim critics.

But he added, “Looking back, I realize it was not a very compassionate thing to say, and I regret having said those words.”

Asked about a recent radio interview in which he declined to call Hamas, the Palestinian group that pioneered suicide bombings in Israel, a terrorist group, he said, “I condemn everyone and anyone who commits acts of terrorism, and Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.”

The imam said his goal was to speak directly to the majority of Americans who disapprove of the center’s location and to introduce himself and his record. He closed by wishing his Jewish friends a happy Rosh Hashana.
 

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This is exactly what the muslims want- They want America to live in FEAR of them. All this muslim imam is doing is trying to blackmail America- Screw him and send him back home to spread his tolerance and peace loving ideas there.

To think that America would have to make decisions based on how a group of violence minded people would react, is limiting our freedom and needs to be stopped.


Here's a good article about the issue: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38916


"In 2009 the U.N. Human Rights Council passed a resolution (without a vote), submitted by the Obama administration, which would subordinate U.S. free speech rights to U.N. oversight standards. These standards mirror the OIC’s 10-Year Plan objectives. "
 

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This is exactly what the muslims want- They want America to live in FEAR of them. All this muslim imam is doing is trying to blackmail America- Screw him and send him back home to spread his tolerance and peace loving ideas there.

To think that America would have to make decisions based on how a group of violence minded people would react, is limiting our freedom and needs to be stopped.


Here's a good article about the issue: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38916


"In 2009 the U.N. Human Rights Council passed a resolution (without a vote), submitted by the Obama administration, which would subordinate U.S. free speech rights to U.N. oversight standards. These standards mirror the OIC’s 10-Year Plan objectives. "
FEAR ~ False Event Appearing Real ? ... where here, it's Obama's fault and not anyone else's from the N.Y. Port Authority to Silverstein who collected billions and billions and then doubled when he took out Double Indemnity insurance (against terrorist attacks) on the Twin Towers just before 9/11 ...
 

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Sneezing the wrong why Emboldens Radicals … who cares what’s Emboldens Radicals.

What’s IMPROTANT is NOT making a Bad situation Worse for American Troops …. Period and End of Story.

Get American Troops home alive and don’t do ANYTHING STUPID that will KILL them … That’s the GOAL!

We need to FOCUS on what’s Important and American Troops Lives are Important.

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Sneezing the wrong why Emboldens Radicals … who cares what’s Emboldens Radicals.

What’s IMPROTANT is NOT making a Bad situation Worse for American Troops …. Period and End of Story.
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Get American Troops home alive and don’t do ANYTHING STUPID that will KILL them … That’s the GOAL!

We need to FOCUS on what’s Important and American Troops Lives are Important.
As far as Ameican Troops are concerned, why are we waging politeness against those waging war with us? Take the gloves off the troops, untie thier arms so they can hold a gun and let them do what they do best. It's the tactics we employ against these radicals that embolden them in the first place. We ought to be cutting the heads off the ones we kill and using those heads as hood ornaments on humvees, and using bullets soaked in pigs blood.

How about using swine flu as a biological weapon? It wouldn't do more than give them a cold, but the psychological effect would go a long way. :thumbsup:

How about we wait for the Haaj, then send a nuclear missle about 20 miles from Mecca and detonate it in the sand dunes and make a couple hundred tons of glass. Then tell tell them oops, we missed, next one's got Mecca in it's sights, keep it up and your big black cabinets are ash.

That's NOT being an Islamophobe. The Islamophobes are the ones worrying we might offend them in some way. There are many more Americans in this country that are offended by thier behavior and are NOT Islamophobes.

I always hear from 'these people', "the muslim world, the muslim world...insert stupid compliance issue here". The muslim world can do 2 things as far as I'm concerned. You want to come to our country, fine, just obey our laws and our sovereinty. OR, you can crap in your hat and punch it.

Not coming down on you ChasC5, just started a vent and went with it, but I believe the points are strong and support your contention about our troops.
 

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As far as Ameican Troops are concerned, why are we waging politeness against those waging war with us? Take the gloves off the troops, untie thier arms so they can hold a gun and let them do what they do best. It's the tactics we employ against these radicals that embolden them in the first place. We ought to be cutting the heads off the ones we kill and using those heads as hood ornaments on humvees, and using bullets soaked in pigs blood.

How about using swine flu as a biological weapon? It wouldn't do more than give them a cold, but the psychological effect would go a long way. :thumbsup:

How about we wait for the Haaj, then send a nuclear missle about 20 miles from Mecca and detonate it in the sand dunes and make a couple hundred tons of glass. Then tell tell them oops, we missed, next one's got Mecca in it's sights, keep it up and your big black cabinets are ash.

That's NOT being an Islamophobe. The Islamophobes are the ones worrying we might offend them in some way. There are many more Americans in this country that are offended by thier behavior and are NOT Islamophobes.

I always hear from 'these people', "the muslim world, the muslim world...insert stupid compliance issue here". The muslim world can do 2 things as far as I'm concerned. You want to come to our country, fine, just obey our laws and our sovereinty. OR, you can crap in your hat and punch it.

Not coming down on you ChasC5, just started a vent and went with it, but I believe the points are strong and support your contention about our troops.
We can’t control protest in their their streets … but out streets we can.

This Preacher and the Imam needs to show common since … period.
 

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There stupid ass religion tells them to create situations like this to keep one rilled up. Part of them will do some thing so the rest of them has a reason to kill people.

Two examples going on right now are the mosque in NY, and the burning of the flag on 9-11.

They are radicals, all of them. They are not a religion by are definition, There so called Holy Book can be changed at any time and the new part supersedes the old part, so they can still refer to it if it is to there benefit.

It is not a holy book it is a plan to take over the world, They suppress people just like communism.

And that is one old mans opinion...
 

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There stupid ass religion tells them to create situations like this to keep one rilled up. Part of them will do some thing so the rest of them has a reason to kill people.

Two examples going on right now are the mosque in NY, and the burning of the flag on 9-11.

They are radicals, all of them. They are not a religion by are definition, There so called Holy Book can be changed at any time and the new part supersedes the old part, so they can still refer to it if it is to there benefit.

It is not a holy book it is a plan to take over the world, They suppress people just like communism.

And that is one old mans opinion...


Are we talking about Rev Wright? :D
 

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Speaking on my own behalf as an American soldier.. There is no constitutional right for that center to be located anywhere. it is up to the governing authority of that location (I believe NYC). If the governing authority and legal population of that location so chooses to not allow the center a license for that location.. that is their choice. If another country’s religious base gets upset because a legally defined entity in our country makes a sovereign choice… **** ‘em…

That is what I signed up to defend.. Do not worry about putting the military in harm’s way… we’d gladly fight for the right to choose.. not some of this other crap we’ve been doing.
 

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We can’t control protest in their their streets … but out streets we can.
I have to disagree with you there. We have, as part of our Bill Of Rights, the right to peacefully assermble to protest our concerns.
This Preacher and the Imam needs to show common sense … period.
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And tolerance, and sensativity.
 

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The Imam continually states that this is a culture center and not a mosque. Fine... church and state does not apply... block the culture center.

There is nothing the Imam stated as reason for allowing them to open a center at that site... that could not be accomplished from his Mosque, 10 blocks away.

This Imam should go and speak some sense to the Koran burning preacher. Is this not what he claims his sole purpose is to do... bridge differences and offer better understanding ? It's not as though the preachers congregation is going to remove his head if he approaches and tries to talk some sense in to these drama queens.
 

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I have to disagree with you there. We have, as part of our Bill Of Rights, the right to peacefully assermble to protest our concerns.

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And tolerance, and sensativity.
But tolerance, and sensativity is something you can't control ... something we've (America) learned over centries of intolerance, and insensitivity to our own people.

So who are we to Preach?
 

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But tolerance, and sensativity is something you can't control ... something we've (America) learned over centries of intolerance, and insensitivity to our own people.

So who are we to Preach?
Coom-Bye-Ya my Lord Coom-Bye-Ya :lookinup:
 

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The people putting our troops in harms way, is not this koran burning preacher--- It's the stupid politicians in our own government that don't have the balls to let the military do what it needs to do and get out. Don't put blame on the preacher, put it where it belongs- On this politically controlled "war" and the muslims who are involved. Remember? These terrorists follow islam-- not extremist islam. just plain ol' islam.

But tolerance, and sensativity is something you can't control ... something we've (America) learned over centries of intolerance, and insensitivity to our own people.

So who are we to Preach?
There you go again, apologizing for America-- why don't you talk about all the great things America has done, you guys never talk about that... wonder why.
 

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But tolerance, and sensativity is something you can't control ... something we've (America) learned over centries of intolerance, and insensitivity to our own people.

So who are we to Preach?
Tolerance and sensitivity are code words for your ideology -of equality. Do you tolerate Beck or Limbaugh or Bush? -for that matter -do you tolerate and award sensitivity to anyone with a view that opposes your own ? So you are the decider that dictates who deserves tolerance and deserves sensitivity ? Who are you to preach ?

something we've (America) learned over centries of intolerance, and insensitivity to our own people.
Do you see how you had to create a victim to give meaning to your espousal ? -Completely negating the fact that this country is the freest and safest place in the world for a Muslim -practicing or otherwise ?
 

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Mrs. Coulter covered this pretty well in her latest write up.



Bonfire of the Insanities
by Ann Coulter

09/08/2010



In response to Gen David Petraeus' denunciation of Florida pastor Terry Jones' right to engage in a symbolic protest of the 9/11 attacks by burning copies of the Quran this Sept. 11, President Obama said: "Let me be clear: As a citizen, and as president, I believe that members of the Dove World Outreach Center have the same right to freedom of speech and religion as anyone else in this country."

Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida lauded Obama's remarks, saying America is "a place where you're supposed to be able to practice your religion without the government telling you you can't."

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg called Obama's words a "clarion defense of the freedom of religion" -- and also claimed that he had recently run into a filthy jihadist who actually supported the Quran-burning!

Keith Olbermann read the poem "First they came ..." on air in defense of the Quran-burners, nearly bringing himself to tears at his own profundity.

No wait, my mistake. This is what liberals said about the ground zero mosque only five minutes ago when they were posing as First Amendment absolutists. Suddenly, they've developed amnesia when it comes to the free-speech right to burn a Quran.

Weirdly, conservatives who opposed building the mosque at ground zero are also against the Quran burning. (Except in my case. It turns out I'm for it, but mostly because burning Qurans will contribute to global warming.)

Liberals couldn't care less about the First Amendment. To the contrary, censoring speech and religion is the left's specialty! (Any religion other than Islam.)

They promote speech codes, hate crimes, free speech zones (known as "America" off college campuses), and go around the country yanking every reference to God from the public square via endless lawsuits by the ACLU.

Whenever you see a liberal choking up over our precious constitutional rights, you can be sure we're talking about the rights of Muslims at ground zero, "God Hates ****" funeral protesters, strippers, The New York Times publishing classified documents, pornographers, child molesters, murderers, traitors, saboteurs, terrorists, flag-burners (but not Quran-burners!) or women living on National Endowment of the Arts grants by stuffing yams into their orifices on stage.

Speaking of lying dwarfs, last week on "The Daily Show" Bloomberg claimed he was having a hamburger with his "girlfriend" when a man came up to him and said of the ground zero mosque: "I just got back from two tours fighting overseas for America. This is what we were all fighting for. You go and keep at it."

We're fighting for the right of Muslims to build mosques at ground zero? I thought we were trying to keep Muslims AWAY from our skyscrapers. (What an embarrassing misunderstanding.) PLEASE PULL THE TROOPS OUT IMMEDIATELY.

But back to the main issue: Was Bloomberg having a $150 Burger Double Truffle at DB Bistro Moderne or a more sensible $30 burger at the 21 Club when he bumped into his imaginary veteran? With the pint-sized mayor shrieking at the sight of a saltshaker, I assume he wasn't having a Hardee's No. 4 Combo Meal.

Adding an element of realism to his little vignette, Bloomberg said: "I got a hamburger and a pickle and a potato chip or something."

A potato chip? Translation: "I don't know what I was eating, because I'm making this whole story up -- I wouldn't be caught dead eating 'a potato chip' or any other picaresque garnish favored by the peasants." At least Bloomberg didn't claim the man who walked up to him took credit for setting the Times Square bomb because he was a tea partier upset about ObamaCare -- as Sherlock Bloomberg had so presciently speculated at the time.

Gen. Petraeus objected to the Quran-burning protest on the grounds that it could be used by radical jihadists to recruit Muslims to attack Americans.

This is what liberals say whenever we do anything displeasing to the enemy -- invade Iraq, hold captured terrorists in Guantanamo, interrogate captured jihadists or publish Muhammad cartoons. Is there a website somewhere listing everything that encourages terrorist recruiting?

If the general's main objective is to hamper jihadist recruiting, may I respectfully suggest unconditional surrender? Because on his theory, you know what would really kill the terrorists' recruiting ability? If we adopted Sharia law!

But wait -- weren't we assured by Fire Island's head of national security, Andrew Sullivan, that if America elected a "brown-skinned man whose father was an African, who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii, who attended a majority-Muslim school as a boy," the terrorists would look like a bunch of lunkheads and be unable to recruit?

It didn't work out that way. There have been more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil by these allegedly calmed Muslims in Obama's first 18 months in office than in the six years under Bush after he invaded Iraq.

Also, as I recall, there was no Guantanamo, no Afghanistan war and no Iraq war on Sept. 10, 2001. And yet, somehow, Osama bin Ladin had no trouble recruiting back then. Can we retire the "it will help them recruit" argument yet?

The reason not to burn Qurans is that it's unkind -- not to jihadists, but to Muslims who mean us no harm. The same goes for building a mosque at ground zero -- in both cases, it's not a question of anyone's "rights," it's just a nasty thing to do.

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Tolerance and sensitivity are code words for your ideology -of equality. Do you tolerate Beck or Limbaugh or Bush? -for that matter -do you tolerate and award sensitivity to anyone with a view that opposes your own ? So you are the decider that dictates who deserves tolerance and deserves sensitivity ? Who are you to preach ?



Do you see how you had to create a victim to give meaning to your espousal ? -Completely negating the fact that this country is the freest and safest place in the world for a Muslim -practicing or otherwise ?


However you want to read it is fine with me.

History is, what history is … Facts are, what facts are … you can re-write it or deny it all you want.

But it won’t change either the History or the Facts.

Enjoy your trip :thumbsup:
 

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However you want to read it is fine with me.

History is, what history is … Facts are, what facts are … you can re-write it or deny it all you want.

But it won’t change either the History or the Facts.

Enjoy your trip :thumbsup:
And the history of islam and it's warlord leader has always been about violence and submission/opression. It's a joke to think people believe that a religion that was made up by a warlord would be anything close to peaceful-- People need to face the FACT that islam is violent and opressive.
 

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And the history of islam and it's warlord leader has always been about violence and submission/opression. It's a joke to think people believe that a religion that was made up by a warlord would be anything close to peaceful-- People need to face the FACT that islam is violent and opressive.
Saddam Hussein is gone and Bin Laden is … where … we have two Wars for a decade and you have a Bill.

We are now part of their History ... there’s your bank for the buck
 
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