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....could you political folks set aside your affiliation bickering :)laughing:)
for a moment, to explain the meanings of like, left wing and
right wing plus the other terminology, I hate politics but I been
trying to read along and understand some of the post here in
the news room I have always side stepped these type of discussions,
never liked it in school, shop and math were my
only good talents....:laughing:

.....just an old guy trying to make sense now.....:D
 

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:laughing: Now days, everything is kind of screwed up.


Right wing:


Libertarian: Limited government, limited taxation, limited social engineering, maximum personal liberty. Live and let live. National defense priority for the limited government.

Conservative: Limited government, ok with taxation to an extent, ok with social engineering as long as it keeps gays from marrying.. :laughing:


Neocon: Almost as dangerous as progressives, for big government, heavy taxation of the middle class, big on military and social engineering is ok, as long as it fits their agenda.


Left Wing:

Liberal: They call the middle left liberals, but they are big on government intervention, big on taxes, and big on social engineering, I don't know how anyone gets liberal from that.. :laughing:

Progressive:
Bent on world tyranny, cradle to grave control by a governing entity with the illusion of democracy. Usually your unions, ultra-poor and power trip types flock to this one..

Revolutionary: Self explanatory.

The middle: The middle is about the least informed, most out of touch, pinheads that will vote like they are watching American Idol. Pretty much worthless, but both sides fight/lie/steal to get their vote.
 

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:laughing: Now days, everything is kind of screwed up.


Right wing:


Libertarian: Limited government, limited taxation, limited social engineering, maximum personal liberty. Live and let live. National defense priority for the limited government.

Conservative: Limited government, ok with taxation to an extent, ok with social engineering as long as it keeps gays from marrying.. :laughing:


Neocon: Almost as dangerous as progressives, for big government, heavy taxation of the middle class, big on military and social engineering is ok, as long as it fits their agenda.


Left Wing:

Liberal: They call the middle left liberals, but they are big on government intervention, big on taxes, and big on social engineering, I don't know how anyone gets liberal from that.. :laughing:

Progressive:
Bent on world tyranny, cradle to grave control by a governing entity with the illusion of democracy. Usually your unions, ultra-poor and power trip types flock to this one..

Revolutionary: Self explanatory.

The middle: The middle is about the least informed, most out of touch, pinheads that will vote like they are watching American Idol. Pretty much worthless, but both sides fight/lie/steal to get their vote.


That pretty much sums it up except left wingers are pretty much "my way or no way when in power, and you should compromise with us when not in power."
 

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I would liken it more to the face of a clock. 12 O clock is the middle. As you get closer to 6 o clock you get more and more radical, until you reach the libertarian side (6 o clock). The libertarian left leaning would be the guys who hate the police and want all drugs legalized and no controls at all over abortion and are completely anti war. The libertarian right leaning guys would want no taxes at all, and no government at all. The closer to 6 O clock the more they are the same.

Sounds kind of simple no??? But wait.

Some people are left leaning in social matters like abortion and gay mariage etc, but are right leaning in fiscal maters, like no budget deficits and no wastefull spending. While some people don't give a **** about spending and deficits but go nuts about gays and abortion.

In the end politics is what we all individualy feel strongly about and neither side has all the answers. Anyone who places another person in one particular group or another doesn't know **** since he cannot truly know how that person feels about every issue. In the end the only place any of this maters is when you go vote and that is a private thing and no one can know what you voted or why but you. Knowing what is going on is important to what you decide because each side will distort the truth to fit thier ideals.
I always found the best way to get to the truth is get involved in government. Go to your local towns meetings, volunteer as a member of one of the towns boards, or even run for office. I did just that. Attended all the township commitee meetings, then when I though they weren't doing a good job, I ran for mayor. I won and served until someone else came along who convinced the voters they had a better way of doing things. I still sit on my townships planning board. I was askd to be on a state constitutional commision for tax reliefe, and that was a real eye opener.

In the end, remember that we are the government in this country. If you think things aren't being done right you have every right to run for office, and do it your way, if you win. That is what makes the US different from other countries, you don't have to be born into power and you cannot take it by force, you have to convince your neighbors that you have a better way, thats all.
 

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...well I certainly appreciate the input folks, thanks for setting
back to square one :)laughing:) now I know I really still hate
political discussion, I guess the only way I'll understand this
stuff is get the Politics for Dummies book on sale for 15cents....:laughing:....2 for 7cents....:D
 

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...well I certainly appreciate the input folks, thanks for setting
back to square one :)laughing:) now I know I really still hate
political discussion, I guess the only way I'll understand this
stuff is get the Politics for Dummies book on sale for 15cents....:laughing:....2 for 7cents....:D
Couldn't AGREE with you more!! :agree:
 

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It's all about control.

Libertarians want to control only themselves and those who affect them personally.

ALL others want to control the masses. Liberals do it by expanding dependence on the government. Conservatives do it by expanding the government's control of others. They each have their mechanisms.
 

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That pretty much sums it up except left wingers are pretty much "my way or no way when in power, and you should compromise with us when not in power."
umm....


yeah.....





just like....."Stay The Course"
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...well I certainly appreciate the input folks, thanks for setting
back to square one :)laughing:) now I know I really still hate
political discussion, I guess the only way I'll understand this
stuff is get the Politics for Dummies book on sale for 15cents....:laughing:....2 for 7cents....:D
Simplified... One ideology believes in equality, while the other believes in Liberty. To mess things up... some believe in both. It is the group that believes in both Liberty and equality... that cause such angst within our political system, as they tend to change ideologies based upon the mood of the people. This causes those we have elected, based upon the promises made, to change some small position to entice those that follow the mood of the people. Which would be no big deal... if it weren't for every one of our elected officials doing this to for the singular purpose of re-election.
 

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Simplified... One ideology believes in equality, while the other believes in Liberty. To mess things up... some believe in both.
Liberty IS equality. Equal at birth. Equal after death. Everything in between is equal opportunity and the liberty to reach it.

Poloticians keep trying to legislate equality thruout life, in some form or another. Some are better at hiding it, but they all do it.
 

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Brother... just drink your meed. You have no clue of what you speak.


Simplified... One ideology believes in equality, while the other believes in Liberty. To mess things up... some believe in both. It is the group that believes in both Liberty and equality... that cause such angst within our political system, as they tend to change ideologies based upon the mood of the people. This causes those we have elected, based upon the promises made, to change some small position to entice those that follow the mood of the people. Which would be no big deal... if it weren't for every one of our elected officials doing this to for the singular purpose of re-election.
 

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Brother... just drink your meed. You have no clue of what you speak.
Repeating yourself (with all appropriate narcicism) does not make it any more true.
 

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92Roadster asked for the meaning of the terms "left-wing" and "right-wing". Well it all started back in the late 1700's in France. Inside the French National Assembly, the people who sat in the left-wing were liberals, and the people who sat in the right-wing were conservatives. There is a little more to it than that but basically its that simple.:thumbsup:
 

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Repeating yourself (with all appropriate narcicism) does not make it any more true.
Ok, bro... lets prove you incorrect, once again. I will show you Liberty... you show me an equal definition, that equates to equality. Chose any reference of validity you wish. Any one.

Liberty is the concept of ideological and political philosophy that identifies the condition to which an individual has the right to behave according to one's own personal responsibility and free will. The conception of liberty is influenced by ideals concerning the social contract as well as arguments that are concerned with the state of nature.

Individualist and classical liberal conceptions of liberty relate to the freedom of the individual from outside compulsion or coercion and this is defined as negative liberty. Social liberal conceptions of liberty relate freedom to social structure and agency and this is defined as positive liberty. In feudal times, a liberty was an area of allodial land in which regalian rights had been waived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty

Now show me equality...
 

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People who don't want to control others don't run for office. Period. Every one of them ****ers in any legislative body has designs to make their domain better in their eyes. That cannot be done without controlling others.

It is just a matter of 'how.'
 

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Simplified... One ideology believes in equality, while the other believes in Liberty. To mess things up... some believe in both. It is the group that believes in both Liberty and equality... that cause such angst within our political system, as they tend to change ideologies based upon the mood of the people. This causes those we have elected, based upon the promises made, to change some small position to entice those that follow the mood of the people. Which would be no big deal... if it weren't for every one of our elected officials doing this to for the singular purpose of re-election.
Ok, bro... lets prove you incorrect, once again. I will show you Liberty... you show me an equal definition, that equates to equality. Chose any reference of validity you wish. Any one.

Liberty is the concept of ideological and political philosophy that identifies the condition to which an individual has the right to behave according to one's own personal responsibility and free will. The conception of liberty is influenced by ideals concerning the social contract as well as arguments that are concerned with the state of nature.

Individualist and classical liberal conceptions of liberty relate to the freedom of the individual from outside compulsion or coercion and this is defined as negative liberty. Social liberal conceptions of liberty relate freedom to social structure and agency and this is defined as positive liberty. In feudal times, a liberty was an area of allodial land in which regalian rights had been waived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty

Now show me equality...
People who don't want to control others don't run for office. Period. Every one of them ****ers in any legislative body has designs to make their domain better in their eyes. That cannot be done without controlling others.

It is just a matter of 'how.'
Came to a realization, did you ?

Roadster... this is who I speak of when I say "there are those that believe in both". There is nothing inherently wrong with his having both views. Some simply are built this way. They see value in both ideologies. But, they are the problem within our political system, as there are just enough of them that they are able to sway elections... and therefor, must be playacted.

This, is the reason for our political mayhem... or genius (depending on how you look at it). No one ideology is given the time to flourish. Both will work independently of the other. One will give you a socialistic style of governance in which the government grants your freedoms based upon the needs of the people... the other attempts to grant you your God given freedoms to earn... based upon your own ability.
 

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OK... Here's the difference between the two... and those that sway back and forth between the two, in the most simple form I can imagine. Pick the one you like best according to their qualities... and vote

...Eqaulity

...Liberty

...Noncommittal





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VFP,

I do not know what scares me more. That you think the Pubs are any more about liberty than the Dems, or that you think there even IS a difference between them.

Serious. :thud:
 
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