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Forget all the political commentary over the last three weeks: the fact is the killing of Osama bin Laden helped Obama.

Not as much as the White House would like, nor as little as Republicans would like to think. Meanwhile, the economy is stuck still in neutral, leaving voters in funk. All of which translates into the following: while President Obama is in a better place politically than he was 30 days ago he is far from a sure bet to be re-elected in 2012.

The president’s bold gamble to take out bin Laden was a massive success and a very good thing for this country. The political impact was important but not for the reasons you might think. Our sense is that the poll bump from the bin laden killing was going to be single digits and short term and it has been borne out so far.

These types of events almost never lead to lasting gains in the headline approval rating. However, they can contribute to a more substantive shift in opinion. So while Gallup and others have shown the president’s approval rating returning to pre-bin Laden levels, the data suggests that there has been a meaningful drop in Obama’s disapproval rating. This is important because it means that some swing voters (independents and soft partisans) are reconsidering the president.

More importantly, the bin Laden decision and take down suggest to voters that Obama is a decisive leader and this was an area of great weakness for the president. In March, a Gallup poll found that only 52% of voters thought Obama was a strong and decisive leader. This was down 10 points in the last year and more than 20 points since he took office.

There is a segment of independent and soft Republican male voters who have long felt that Obama is not a decisive, strong leader; they see his intelligence and often professorial demeanor as being unsuited for the presidency. By taking out America’s public enemy number one in a raid on foreign soil, Obama has provided a clear instance of bold leadership that undercuts that criticism. In politics winning is often about sending clear “signals” and this is as good as it gets on that front.

So, yes, the president got a bump and, yes, it was short lived. We suspect that in the end, the impact will be approximately a 3-5 percent bump in approval and corresponding drop in disapproval that puts him somewhere around 50-51 percent approval rating and 43-45 percent disapproval. In addition, perceptions of the president’s handling of foreign policy and Afghanistan have gone up considerably. All in all, a good few weeks for the president.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/18/l...e-bet-to-be-re-elected-in-2012/#ixzz1Ml8d27h4
 

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As I have been saying...stop talking about how Obama doesn't deserve credit for taking out Bin laden. It sounds like sour grapes and simply extends his bump in the polls. The issue has to again become the economy, but if congress does not extend the debt cieling and the economy takes a dump it could be the republicans that take the heat. Pass the debt cieling increase as it should be. Work openly and hard to reduce the deficits while not making the cut decisions based on social issues and the pubs could possibly take back the white house. Continue on the path they are currently marching down and they may well lose the house again too.
 

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As I have been saying...stop talking about how Obama doesn't deserve credit for taking out Bin laden. It sounds like sour grapes and simply extends his bump in the polls. The issue has to again become the economy, but if congress does not extend the debt cieling and the economy takes a dump it could be the republicans that take the heat. Pass the debt cieling increase as it should be. Work openly and hard to reduce the deficits while not making the cut decisions based on social issues and the pubs could possibly take back the white house. Continue on the path they are currently marching down and they may well lose the house again too.
99.9% of voters don't understand or give a **** about the debt ceiling. :crazy: Your argument is absurd. :laughing:

If gas prices remain above $4/gallon and unemployment remains above 9% and the housing market stays as bad as it is, Obama is ****ed. ;)
 

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Depends on who the republican party throws up against him.

So far, I've seen no one that excites me, or has the credits that would prevent me from having to hold my nose to vote for him.

A West/Bachman ticket might work for me, though, I doubt we'll see it in 2012.

One thought that is silently making it way in the conservative underground is to let Obama have the election in 2012 by nominating a rino. After BHO has finished destroying our economy and has defaulted on our nations debt, then will be the time for a strong conservative to emerge and lead to rebuild the nation. A scenario such as this might destroy liberalism for decades in America.

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Keep the house and concentrate the GOP's resourses to re-take the Senate. This would rendure BHO a lame duck for an additional 4 years. Of course, if such happened, any good the the Republicans were able to accomplish, the dick in charge would take the credit for...........

and the sissy republicans would let him without so much as a thank you, sir.
 

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Depends on who the republican party throws up against him.

So far, I've seen no one that excites me, or has the credits that would prevent me from having to hold my nose to vote for him.

A West/Bachman ticket might work for me, though, I doubt we'll see it in 2012.

One thought that is silently making it way in the conservative underground is to let Obama have the election in 2012 by nominating a rino. After BHO has finished destroying our economy and has defaulted on our nations debt, then will be the time for a strong conservative to emerge and lead to rebuild the nation. A scenario such as this might destroy liberalism for decades in America.



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Keep the house and concentrate the GOP's resourses to re-take the Senate. This would rendure BHO a lame duck for an additional 4 years. Of course, if such happened, any good the the Republicans were able to accomplish, the dick in charge would take the credit for...........

and the sissy republicans would let him without so much as a thank you, sir.
I doubt your first thought of running a Rhino is a plan by the conservative underground, more likely so an excuse in case they lose.

In all reality, if the Pubs ran a nobody with no experience or even a liberal Rhino, would you actually think twice about voting "against" the current POTUS? Or would you vote for the Rhino anyway? Does it really matter who runs? :huh:


This election will be all about ANTI OBAMA. The same as the last election was ANTI BUSH. Doesn't matter who the empty suit is. :cheers:
 

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I doubt your first thought of running a Rhino is a plan by the conservative underground, more likely so an excuse in case they lose.

In all reality, if the Pubs ran a nobody with no experience or even a liberal Rhino, would you actually think twice about voting "against" the current POTUS? Or would you vote for the Rhino anyway? Does it really matter who runs? :huh:


This election will be all about ANTI OBAMA. The same as the last election was ANTI BUSH. Doesn't matter who the empty suit is. :cheers:
Yes, it matters very much who runs. Now that Huckabee is out, I currently do not see anyone I would vote for. I would rather not vote than vote for obama, newt, or romney. Idealogy does matter to me- substance over style.

The state of the country is making me think a little more about not retiring from the Army and instead getting out and running for office myself to do my best to fix things.
 

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Yes, it matters very much who runs. Now that Huckabee is out, I currently do not see anyone I would vote for. I would rather not vote than vote for obama, newt, or romney. Idealogy does matter to me- substance over style.

The state of the country is making me think a little more about not retiring from the Army and instead getting out and running for office myself to do my best to fix things.
Now that is a sentiment I can applaud. Bravo sir. For once someone willing to stand up and do something rather than just sit here and bitch. :cheers:
 

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99.9% of voters don't understand or give a **** about the debt ceiling. :crazy: Your argument is absurd. :laughing:

If gas prices remain above $4/gallon and unemployment remains above 9% and the housing market stays as bad as it is, Obama is ****ed. ;)
Well then let me expalin it to you sonny boy. The debt cieling isn't the budget, it is paying for what you said you would pay for. If you don't pay what you say you will pay for you are a dead beat. Your credit rating then reflects that status. If our credit rating goes down the tubes anybody who is president will simply be ****ed and so will we. Nobdy has ever let the debt ceiling destroy our credit rating, and if the pubs do they will be ****ed for a very long time.
 

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Well then let me expalin it to you sonny boy. The debt cieling isn't the budget, it is paying for what you said you would pay for. If you don't pay what you say you will pay for you are a dead beat. Your credit rating then reflects that status. If our credit rating goes down the tubes anybody who is president will simply be ****ed and so will we. Nobdy has ever let the debt ceiling destroy our credit rating, and if the pubs do they will be ****ed for a very long time.

Gee. Now, let's see? Who ran the national dept up $6 trillion in 24 months? Was it Bush? Nooo. Was it a Republican? Noooo.

Oh yea. It was that GD liberal, muslim sucking sumbitch with the false personal records. Your President Obozo.
 

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Gee. Now, let's see? Who ran the national dept up $6 trillion in 24 months? Was it Bush? Nooo. Was it a Republican? Noooo.

Oh yea. It was that GD liberal, muslim sucking sumbitch with the false personal records. Your President Obozo.
What he said! :thumbsup:
 

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Well then let me expalin it to you sonny boy. The debt cieling isn't the budget, it is paying for what you said you would pay for. If you don't pay what you say you will pay for you are a dead beat. Your credit rating then reflects that status. If our credit rating goes down the tubes anybody who is president will simply be ****ed and so will we. Nobdy has ever let the debt ceiling destroy our credit rating, and if the pubs do they will be ****ed for a very long time.
And who would be in office as POTUS at this time? O BOZO! :thumbsup: Your idol would be ****ed! :laughing:

The people blame the guy behind the desk over and over. Not congress. :cheers:
 

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Yes, it matters very much who runs. Now that Huckabee is out, I currently do not see anyone I would vote for. I would rather not vote than vote for obama, newt, or romney. Idealogy does matter to me- substance over style.

The state of the country is making me think a little more about not retiring from the Army and instead getting out and running for office myself to do my best to fix things.
I respect your opinion and your feelings, but do you honestly believe leaving this jackass in office by not using your vote is best for this country? Like things are going to get better under his "leadership"??? :crazy: That's the exact problem with a good part of the American Voters. "I don't like any of them, so I'll just sit it out." Meanwhile, those that suck on the Gubmint teet run to the ballots and vote as many times as they can.
 

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I respect your opinion and your feelings, but do you honestly believe leaving this jackass in office by not using your vote is best for this country? Like things are going to get better under his "leadership"??? :crazy: That's the exact problem with a good part of the American Voters. "I don't like any of them, so I'll just sit it out." Meanwhile, those that suck on the Gubmint teet run to the ballots and vote as many times as they can.
newt supports govt mandate and is against entitlement reform. romney is the daddy of obamacare and a gungrabber. Why should I vote for either of them if I do not agree with their stand on issues important to me?

I vote newt and he wins, govt entitlements continue to grow and obamacare is the law of the land....

I vote romney and he wins, obamacare is the law of the land and he takes my guns....

Obama wins obamacare is the law of the land, govt entitlements grow, and he takes my guns....

You tell me how either of them deserve my vote when all 3 are against my beliefs?
 

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newt supports govt mandate and is against entitlement reform. romney is the daddy of obamacare and a gungrabber. Why should I vote for either of them if I do not agree with their stand on issues important to me?

I vote newt and he wins, govt entitlements continue to grow and obamacare is the law of the land....

I vote romney and he wins, obamacare is the law of the land and he takes my guns....

Obama wins obamacare is the law of the land, govt entitlements grow, and he takes my guns....

You tell me how either of them deserve my vote when all 3 are against my beliefs?
The GOP better wake up to the fact that a large number of people who usually lean their way, aren't going to "waste" their vote this time. They put the wrong puppet up, and they might face a slaughter of epic proportions.. if voting GOP means voting for Romney or Newt.. then why toss one turkey, for another just like him?

Best case scenario (for the voters) is a third party that can pull votes from both factions of the statist. It would be the anti-GOP/Dem party, I guess the Common Sense party would be a good name, since that is very anti-gop/dem.
 

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And who would be in office as POTUS at this time? O BOZO! :thumbsup: Your idol would be ****ed! :laughing:

The people blame the guy behind the desk over and over. Not congress. :cheers:
Let me explian this to you in little words that you might understand....

If we do not pay our bills then no one will trust us to pay our bills. Not now and not in the future(sorry for the big word). We will then have to pay a lot more interest(again sorry) and no matter who is the President it will be imposible to solve any of our problems. Get it. I know there were some big words...maybe your mom could help you look them up.
 

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One thing that points to Obama's strength in the comming election is the unwillingness of many to run. Huckabee and even Trump see that since Obama got Bin Laden he is an altogether different target. It will be much harder to beat him than many here hope, and putting some red meat republican like Palin or Bachman against him, would be a guaranteed defeat. The best chance for the pubs is drafting Christie right now IMHO. There may be some other dark horses out there that can pull from right as well as left, but that is what will be needed to beat Obama.
 

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One thing that points to Obama's strength in the comming election is the unwillingness of many to run. Huckabee and even Trump see that since Obama got Bin Laden he is an altogether different target. It will be much harder to beat him than many here hope, and putting some red meat republican like Palin or Bachman against him, would be a guaranteed defeat. The best chance for the pubs is drafting Christie right now IMHO. There may be some other dark horses out there that can pull from right as well as left, but that is what will be needed to beat Obama.
Obama isn't going to be defeated, Obamacare is here to stay, the GOP is out of touch with it's base.

48 million on food stamps, 46% not paying taxes, 56% receiving gov money in some form. Those people don't vote against their providers.. no matter how liberal the GOP opponent is.
 

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That's completely incorrect. Those numbers are as high as they are due to the weakness of this leader. Chop them in half... that is his base of voters that will vote to retain their lifestyle. Obama is nothing more then a big spending liberal with socialistic tendencies. -And this country can not wait to spit him out. That... is the truth of it.

-And if two guys (one of which never so much as hinted of running) not running speaks to Obamas strength... the 6 nobodies that had a debate the other night surly speaks to his weakness and ineptitude.
 

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That's completely incorrect. Those numbers are as high as they are due to the weakness of this leader. Chop them in half... that is his base of voters that will vote to retain their lifestyle. Obama is nothing more then a big spending liberal with socialistic tendencies. -And this country can not wait to spit him out. That... is the truth of it.
Prove it. Let's discuss his approval rating, let's discsuss the GOP's strategy of killing obamacare. He is polling in the high 40's, and the GOP has no answer for obamacare. The last corporate raid put people in a fix they don't see a way out of, credit is too tight, inflation is running wild, and the 46% who don't pay taxes, aren't going to sign up for them now.

Now, show the evidence that "this country can not wait to spit him out".. I have yet to see it.

-And if two guys (one of which never so much as hinted of running) not running speaks to Obamas strength... the 6 nobodies that had a debate the other night surly speaks to his weakness and ineptitude.
No, it speaks to the GOP's weakness and ineptitude. Who, after GW Bush, is going to believe what they say? :laughing: The middle damn sure isn't.. so your left with the RINO's, and their numbers aren't strong enough. Bush was a big spender, Bush left the border open, Bush expanded entitlements, etc, etc, etc.

Show me the credibility..
 

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newt supports govt mandate and is against entitlement reform. romney is the daddy of obamacare and a gungrabber. Why should I vote for either of them if I do not agree with their stand on issues important to me?

I vote newt and he wins, govt entitlements continue to grow and obamacare is the law of the land....

I vote romney and he wins, obamacare is the law of the land and he takes my guns....

Obama wins obamacare is the law of the land, govt entitlements grow, and he takes my guns....

You tell me how either of them deserve my vote when all 3 are against my beliefs?
Hardcore, I'm with you 99% of the time. But where do you get this stuff about Romney? He signed legislation in Mass. for universal healthcare, but has said over and over he doesn't believe it's right for the whole country and that he would work to dismantle Obamacare. People need to pay attention and realize the difference in liberal Mass. and the rest of the country. Romney isn't my ideal candidate. But I would vote for him in a New York minute over Obama - especially during this window where Obamacare can be dismantled. By 2016, it will be impossible.
 
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