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:lookinup: It's already getting tough to tell the difference between cops and military.. I think this is a bad move..

COLUMBUS, Ga. --

Starting at 10 o'clock Friday, two senior non-commissioned officers from Fort Benning will be on courtesy patrol. The soldiers will be wearing arm bands that read, "Courtesy Patrol."

Fort Benning Commanding General Robert Brown and Columbus Mayor Teresa Tomlinson made the announcement earlier this week.

They need to increase security in Uptown Columbus comes after two weekend incidents in early April.

In the first incident, police say five soldiers beat another man. The beating was witnessed near First Ave. and 10th street- sending the victim - a former solider - to the hospital with head injuries.

The other, a shooting that left four injured - one fatally - at Mario’s restaurant on Broadway. A man is charged in connection with the assault.

Now, Columbus police will have the company of two uniformed Fort Benning soldiers on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights.

Mayor Tomlinson says the soldiers will not be able to make any arrests, but will be able to command order of all military personnel and if need be, alert military police.

“You can’t arrest someone for being intoxicated, but a senior officer can order you back to base or have military police come get you and bring you back to base,” says Tomlinson.

Charlotte Burton says the extra patrols might not be enough.

“I know this is just a start but i think they will have to increase security that's being offered….a lot of people come down here at night,” says Burton

For Specialist Ryan Jesse - stationed at Fort Benning - he says soldiers will think twice after seeing another in uniform.

“It keeps things in check. It avoids thing getting out of hand which happens a lot with soldiers unfortunately,” says SPC Jesse.

The patrols will last about five hours ending at 3a.m. when the bars close.

This is not the first time the City of Columbus has enlisted the help of military courtesy patrols, but it has been years since the practice was used.

http://www2.wrbl.com/news/2011/apr/22/military-patrols-start-friday-night-ar-1752061/
 

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It appears that 2 senior non-commissioned officers will be keeping an eye on their own. If soldiers are causing trouble, im sure local police dont want to deal with them all the time.

Mayor Tomlinson says the soldiers will not be able to make any arrests, but will be able to command order of all military personnel and if need be, alert military police.
It sounds like they have zero authority over civilians. In otherwords, I dont know where you are going with the military vs police state argument. :huh:
 

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People tend to act appropriately when someone who can make their life hell is around.
Do you really like the idea of the Obama administration determining if your not acting "appropriately? :lookinup: I don't like it, and I would not like it with a GOP admin either.
 

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It appears that 2 senior non-commissioned officers will be keeping an eye on their own. If soldiers are causing trouble, im sure local police dont want to deal with them all the time.



It sounds like they have zero authority over civilians. In otherwords, I dont know where you are going with the military vs police state argument. :huh:
It's conditioning...

Making things that are not normal, appear normal to the sheeple.

TSA fondling 6 yr olds at the airport, coming soon to trainstations, subways etc.
Police executing no-knock search warrants in full paramilitary gear, with armored troop transports.
Soldiers patrolling downtown streets.
Constant bogus terror alerts.
Schools being turned into detention centers.

IDK, maybe I'm an idiot, but I just don't see how any of this ends good for normal people...
 

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Do you really like the idea of the Obama administration determining if your not acting "appropriately? :lookinup: I don't like it, and I would not like it with a GOP admin either.
Don't know, he doesnt have any power over me:laughing:

I think its more to keep soldiers in line and not acting like fools off base beating up civilians which makes the military look bad and would cause millions in lawsuits they dont need.
 

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It's conditioning...

Making things that are not normal, appear normal to the sheeple.

TSA fondling 6 yr olds at the airport, coming soon to trainstations, subways etc.
Police executing no-knock search warrants in full paramilitary gear, with armored troop transports.
Soldiers patrolling downtown streets.
Constant bogus terror alerts.
Schools being turned into detention centers.

IDK, maybe I'm an idiot, but I just don't see how any of this ends good for normal people...
Youre reading waaaaay to into this. Here is another article:

NEWMAN, Georgia (Reuters) - When the sun sets Friday evening in Columbus, Georgia, residents and tourists will join soldiers from nearby Fort Benning to relax and blow off steam in the bustling bars of the downtown entertainment district.

But due to recent altercations, some of those soldiers will be dressed in camouflage and patrolling the streets of this city near the Alabama border.

The new "courtesy patrols" come at the request of the city police chief after five soldiers from the huge Army base allegedly attacked a 21-year-old man walking downtown earlier this month.

Columbus Mayor Teresa Tomlinson said the goal is for senior officers to command and enforce calm, civil behavior among the sometimes rowdy, lower-ranking soldiers.

"We do have in our downtown entertainment district, on any given weekend, a fairly sizable population of folks from Fort Benning," she said. "And on occasion, you will get those that indulge a little too much in alcohol."

Senior non-commissioned officers from the Army base have volunteered for the duty and wear arm bands identifying themselves as courtesy patrol officers.

They cannot make arrests or be armed. Doing so would violate the 1878 federal Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits the use of military personnel as civilian law enforcement.

But they will carry radios allowing them to relay information to local law enforcement and military police if the need arises.

"We have one of the best military/civilian relationships of any large military installation in the country," Tomlinson said. "We welcome them, and want them to be entertained, but they need to remember that they're not removed from laws or the authority of the military."
The soldiers are causing a disproportionate amount of trouble. This is the military taking actions to watch their own.
 

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This is strictly the normal Military Police or Shore Patrol that is typically present anywhere there is a significant number of soldiers or sailors. If a military person finds himself in the middle of law trouble, it is in everyone's interest if the Military Police can take control of the military person - assuming he hasn't committed a serious crime.
 

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Do you really like the idea of the Obama administration determining if your not acting "appropriately? :lookinup: I don't like it, and I would not like it with a GOP admin either.
Make sure you leave your Ipad at home while you are "acting Appropriately"
 

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This is strictly the normal Military Police or Shore Patrol that is typically present anywhere there is a significant number of soldiers or sailors. If a military person finds himself in the middle of law trouble, it is in everyone's interest if the Military Police can take control of the military person - assuming he hasn't committed a serious crime.
I agree. Spent my share of time doing shore patrol duty. I'm not an Obama fan but he's not behind this.
 

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hell the boys there are lucky. I've had the joy of patrols as a major walking around with two E9s.. I can most assuredly say that when the drunk young GIs see us coming they react significantly different than they do to local law enforcement. it can best be described as pucker factor.

This is something that has been done for hundreds of years in all branches of the military and local communities with large military presence.. if you aren't or weren't military don't get into this arguement cause you wouldn't understand.

I can also paraphrase conversations that happen before the patrol actions occur. it goes something like this.

set the stage-- a huge populace in these areas are military.. most of the young troops have significant amounts of expendable $$$.. which the townies like.

Conversation
Town folk "your boys are creating problems and blah blah blah. " Same story some rowdy college towns have.

Base leaders "ok town folk I understand your concerns. I'll order my boys to be restricted to base"

Town folk "don't do that they won't be buying our stuff"

base leaders "then let us police our own on your streets"

townies "will they still be out spending their cash?

leaders "yep"

townies "ok your welcome to look after your own"

problem solved
 

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hell the boys there are lucky. I've had the joy of patrols as a major walking around with two E9s.. I can most assuredly say that when the drunk young GIs see us coming they react significantly different than they do to local law enforcement. it can best be described as pucker factor.

This is something that has been done for hundreds of years in all branches of the military and local communities with large military presence.. if you aren't or weren't military don't get into this arguement cause you wouldn't understand.

I can also paraphrase conversations that happen before the patrol actions occur. it goes something like this.

set the stage-- a huge populace in these areas are military.. most of the young troops have significant amounts of expendable $$$.. which the townies like.

Conversation
Town folk "your boys are creating problems and blah blah blah. " Same story some rowdy college towns have.

Base leaders "ok town folk I understand your concerns. I'll order my boys to be restricted to base"

Town folk "don't do that they won't be buying our stuff"

base leaders "then let us police our own on your streets"

townies "will they still be out spending their cash?

leaders "yep"

townies "ok your welcome to look after your own"

problem solved
:laughing: Now there's a man who's been there. I was stationed in San Diego for two years with the Navy. There is a SP about every two hundred feet on Friday and Saturday night in the fun district. :laughing:
 

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I have absolutely no issues with this. It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama, conditioning the public, or anything like that. It is simply a case of us policing our own. Trust me, this is a good thing for everyone involved.
 

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Plus if properly applied we get to build men and women without ruining their lives over something that may not have even been worthy of a phone call to your parents back in the day.

and if you want to see a group of kids loose all hope. picture a group of mixed service members (5 guys) who got drunk and into a fight at a strip club on Guam... sitting on the sidewalk cuffed on new years day (it was after midnight).. expecting their platoon and flight chiefs (E6/7) to show up and sign for them..

only to get a Marine master guns and a major show up.. and have us ro-sham-bo over who gets the whole lot and picks giving them the opportunity to be court martialled or volunteer for what ever the winner so chooses. all on a crowded street with their peers standing around hooting and hollering.
it made the night worth it watching them all wanting to go to the other service becuse each of our folks knew us and how creative we could be with our volunteer requests.:D
 

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Two incidents in a month ??

Hell this kind of crap happens every GD day in my city, and twice on Saturdays.

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