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PLEASE!!!!

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/04/27/bill-aims-to-expand-rights-to-use-deadly-force/

The Minnesota Legislature opens hearings on a bill Thursday expanding the right of Minnesotans to use deadly force against intruders in their home, sometimes called the “Castle Doctrine.”

But it’s a bill opponents say could decriminalize some forms of murder.

Right now in Minnesota, if someone breaks into your home and you feel threatened with bodily harm, state law allows you to shoot the intruder to defend yourself.

This bill proposed at the Capitol allows deadly force not just against a violent attack, but also against an intrusion that may lead to a violent attack.

And not just at home but there are also provisions for defending against intruders in your car, boat or on a bicycle.

The bill’s author Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Good Thunder, said police often cannot respond quickly enough.
And he cites the case of a Woodbury rape victim who police said could have blown a whistle or sounded an alarm to scare off the rapist.

“You can’t rape a .38,” said Cornish, who is chairman of the House Public Safety Committee.

“People have got to learn to take care of themselves. Cops are wonderful and they’re good. They solve crimes, they come out and take pictures and make chalk drawings. But when it comes down to those few seconds between you or your assailant dying, you’ve got to be given the options of making that choice,” he added.
Opponents say expanding the laws on deadly force could result in more shootings and more death of innocent people, like meter readers or children pulling Halloween pranks.

Heather Martens, executive director of the group Protect Minnesota, said the law “decriminalizes some forms of murder.”

Martens, who called the bill “Shoot First,” said it would repeal current laws which say killing another person should be done only as a last resort and in defense of the self or another person.

“This bill allows shooting. Shooting whenever there is a perceived threat, even if the shooter or the person being defended could safely walk away,” said Martens.
 

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I am all for a nationwide castle doctrine and a nationwide stand your ground law.

the only downside to individual state castle doctrine is they are all different.

as the libs try to take our guns, we keep making progress in taking our rights back!
 

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“This bill allows shooting. Shooting whenever there is a perceived threat, even if the shooter or the person being defended could safely walk away,” said Martens.
I take issue with this statement. How am I to determine if I can safely walk away? If someone is screaming at me, or repeatedly intruding in my personal space, I have reason to perceive that they intend to do me harm or at the very least intimidate me causing fear. Also, it does not allow for someone just walking by to be shot, because there would be no way to misinterpret that as threatening.

This woman acts like we will all use the South Park loophole to go killing people. "Look out, Ned! It's coming right for us!"
 

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I take issue with this statement. How am I to determine if I can safely walk away? If someone is screaming at me, or repeatedly intruding in my personal space, I have reason to perceive that they intend to do me harm or at the very least intimidate me causing fear. Also, it does not allow for someone just walking by to be shot, because there would be no way to misinterpret that as threatening.

This woman acts like we will all use the South Park loophole to go killing people. "Look out, Ned! It's coming right for us!"
They'll get that hammered out with some old court cases.
just make sure you consult an attorney, or attend some seminars with legal advice, discussions ect.

In the least.....try to stay up to speed with legal discussions in handgun mags or forums that are legal..."Heavy".... on discussions...

and outside of your clear to engage, doctrine covered areas...
don't ever shoot anybody that is unarmed without knowing the fine details in those laws.
 

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I don't ever want to shoot anybody. I don't ever want to be in a position where I need to make that decision. I don't ever want anyone I love to be that scared that I need to act. I just don't! But it would be nice to know that legalities play less of a role if it does happen.
 
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