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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/republican-study-committe_n_781122.html

The Committee, led by Rep. Tom Price (Ga.), called for cutting the $2.5 billion Emergency Fund created by the stimulus bill to help states subsidize jobs via the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, formerly known as welfare. Price has targeted the program as part of House Republicans' "YouCut" initiative to reduce federal spending.

"The goal of welfare programs should be to help people get back on their feet as quickly as possible rather than simply expanding dependence on government," Price said in a statement. "In addition to saving taxpayers $25 billion over the next 10 years, cutting the emergency fund from the President's failed stimulus package will refocus temporary assistance on its rightful role."

Problem is, the TANF Emergency Fund has already expired, along with the 240,000 jobs progressive economists say it created.

"Republicans claim to be serious about reducing the deficit but yet they roll out a proposal to eliminate a program that no longer exists," said Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) in a statement. "What's next -- claiming savings for cutting New Deal work programs that were terminated over 70 years ago?

"The real question is when are Republicans going to abandon this sort of hollow rhetoric and get serious about the problems facing this country?"

A spokesman for the committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment from HuffPost.

In August, Senate Democrats, apparently by coincidence, embraced a YouCut proposal to eliminate the Advance Earned Income Tax Credit, offsetting $1 billion of a $26 billion state aid bill.

"While we welcome the Democrats' embrace of the YouCut initiative, the purpose of the program is to start cutting spending, not to use the cuts that Americans want as an opportunity to increase government spending somewhere else," said a spokesman for Republican honcho Rep. Eric Cantor (Va.) at the time.

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Now, how many tax dollars did it cost us to have them study this? And how many of these (obviously not) experts did it take to completely overlook THE most obvious part of the program: That is was long expired and that said expiration was responsible for the unemployment filings to increase over a couple months. I mean REALLY?!

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Half truths and lies !!!

What is the senates primary function ?

What does the constitution address directly relating to the funds through taxation... if the senate does not preform that function ? -as was the majority vote to stop earmark spending, last year ?
 

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Ah, the reknowned source of all things reasonable and balanced - the Huffington Post. :rolleyes:
 

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And the left wonders why the Pubs are reluctant to be too specific too early about their cost-cutting recommendations. Whether this complaint is legitimate or not (something tells me there is more to the story), every suggestion will be ripped to threads, then tarred and feathered in public. The Dems don't care about spending cuts. Their only solution is tax increases. The real solution probably lies in the middle somewhere, and when things get bad enough, both sides will recognize it. I have said it before, I am ready and willing to take a tax increase when every single American gets at least SOME increase. If we are all in this thing together, then we should all contribute some pain to the solution. If it's painless for the bottom 95% of earners, what is the motivation for accepting reduced services - as will surely be necessary when this middle ground is reached? At some point, there WILL be painful service cuts and painful tax increases. We all should share in the pain.
 

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Hopefully less than it costs us to send Michelle Antionette to Spain.. :lookinup:

:laughing: How you doin T?
Doing well, Brother. Getting the winery up and running. Getting the alcohol brokerage up and running, too. Also looking to open a retail store selling winemaking supplies and wine.
 

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Half truths and lies !!!

What is the senates primary function ?

What does the constitution address directly relating to the funds through taxation... if the senate does not preform that function ? -as was the majority vote to stop earmark spending, last year ?
Half truth? Did his committe or did his committee not propose cutting funding for a long expired program?

No half-truth about it other than your assertion that it was not his job to investigate, so it matterred not that he ****ed it up.
 

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Ah, the reknowned source of all things reasonable and balanced - the Huffington Post. :rolleyes:
Prove the article wrong, then. Seems pretty straigh forward to me. He proposed cutting something. He said so publicly. It was long ago expired. He did not know this.

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Doing well, Brother. Getting the winery up and running. Getting the alcohol brokerage up and running, too. Also looking to open a retail store selling winemaking supplies and wine.
Hey, that is great to hear. :cheers: Pop in more often, we need more devils advocate type stuff around here.. :laughing::thumbsup:
 

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Prove the article wrong, then. Seems pretty straigh forward to me. He proposed cutting something. He said so publicly. It was long ago expired. He did not know this.

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Easy enough to do ...

http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=19670

Proposes a one-year extension of funding for the Temporary Assistance to Need Families (TANF) block grant.
This refers to the President's FY2011 proposed budget. Technically, I guess you could argue that it might yet expire, since the current House (the one led by Nancy Pelosi) wasn't able to pass their own FY2011 budget. However, to propose an EXTENSION of a program certainly IMPLIES that the program exists NOW - in 2010.

A bit of research will lead you to a department in HHS - and that department administers the TANF block grants for 2010. Therefore, the implcation that the program is still active in FY2010 is true.

THUS, we can conclude that the program:

1. Has NOT expired - and certainly was not "long expired".
2. Has support from the administration for continuation in 2011.

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Program expired earlier this year after all $5bil allocated to it was used up. the President has proposed to continue it, but as we know it is the House that sets the spending. And this idiot claiming to 'end it' and save $2.5bil is folly. It is already ended. Fin. Muerto. Even 'extending it' will not cost that much, so I have no idea where this fool is getting his numbers from.

He is clearly just trying to make political points over a moot expentiature. He gets points from the slashers and loses nothing from the informed.
 

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Half truth? Did his committe or did his committee not propose cutting funding for a long expired program?

No half-truth about it other than your assertion that it was not his job to investigate, so it matterred not that he ****ed it up.
Nothing was proposed... as in a bill. It was one small piece of a study based upon cutting expired emergency funds... or an earmark. Senates duty is to wage taxes upon the people for the purpose of spending to run the country. Senate voted negatively on earmarks... as in no more spending. The constitution gives the president the right to spend this money as he see's fit... on the country -should the senate not preform it's duty. The expiration of the bill... gives Obama the checkbook. This is part of de-funding the presidents agenda.

I'll charge again... half truths and lies!!!
 

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Program expired earlier this year after all $5bil allocated to it was used up. the President has proposed to continue it, but as we know it is the House that sets the spending. And this idiot claiming to 'end it' and save $2.5bil is folly. It is already ended. Fin. Muerto. Even 'extending it' will not cost that much, so I have no idea where this fool is getting his numbers from.

He is clearly just trying to make political points over a moot expentiature. He gets points from the slashers and loses nothing from the informed.
TANF has been renewed every year - there is no reason to suppose that it would not have been renewed if the Democratically controlled House had passed a budget. It can also be argued that there was sufficient support for TANF that the President's proposed $2.5 BILLION would have been increased to the 'normal' level of $5B.

To argue that the program expired because the funds were exhausted is completely disingenuous. The program STILL exists, as there is an office in HHS that administers it, and is waiting for a new budget so that they can continue it.

Thus, the proposal to eliminate all TANF funding is, in fact, a legitimate call for ending a government program.

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TANF has been renewed every year - there is no reason to suppose that it would not have been renewed if the Democratically controlled House had passed a budget. It can also be argued that there was sufficient support for TANF that the President's proposed $2.5 BILLION would have been increased to the 'normal' level of $5B.

To argue that the program expired because the funds were exhausted is completely disingenuous. The program STILL exists, as there is an office in HHS that administers it, and is waiting for a new budget so that they can continue it.

Thus, the proposal to eliminate all TANF funding is, in fact, a legitimate call for ending a government program.

Steven
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Kyle, you got caught chasing/parroting lies from the huffington post. Sure it sux, but at this point you gotta just say, "damn" and move on. Stay off the rags like huffington and stick to truthful media that is hard to discredit.
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the only reasonably way to fix the economy is to first make EVERYONE pay the EXACT SAME PERCENTAGE of THEIR INCOME in income taxes so we ALL share EQUALLY in the support of the economy,because we all pay exactly the same percentage of our income in taxes so we each have exactly the same concerns with how its taxed and spent. as long as you have 40%-50% paying very low to NO taxes and expecting the other 50%-60% of the population to pay for their share , plus their own share of the costs,and letting the lower income segment paying very low to NO taxes you can,t possibly, expect that lower income segment to do anything but scream for more free government programs.
tax ONLY individuals INCOME, with no penalty for success or investment in the means of production, or owning property and you free up ALL business.
next, remove ALL taxes on property, major tooling and inventory and investment to massively stimulate the production of new jobs .
when theres no tax penalty, for investing or building production facility's, storing inventory or corporate taxes there a huge incentive to build factory's and move production into this country,
do those things and massive influx of foreign investment capital and new core industrial production in this country is inevitable.
third
make all laws passed apply EQUALLY to congress,(that includes taxes and retirement benefits) and the people of the united states , and make congress use the social security system and same medical benefits that EVERYONE shares, limit all elected offices to two terms MAXIMUM
NEXT
close the damn borders, stop drugs and allow ONLY LEGAL IMMIGRATION
next
three strikes and your OUT laws need to apply to all violent crimes,
get convicted of drug dealing, child abuse, armed robbery, rape, murder, you get convicted of ANY three violent crimes and you have ZERO chance of getting out of jail
 

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the only reasonably way to fix the economy is to first make EVERYONE pay the EXACT SAME PERCENTAGE of THEIR INCOME in income taxes so we ALL share EQUALLY in the support of the economy,because we all pay exactly the same percentage of our income in taxes so we each have exactly the same concerns with how its taxed and spent.
I disagree, the only way to fix it is to disband the federal reserve bank, and repeal the 16th amendment. The biggest scam in history, and if everyday people really understood the fed and the monetary system, the **** would hit the fan, fast.
 

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I disagree, the only way to fix it is to disband the federal reserve bank, and repeal the 16th amendment. The biggest scam in history, and if everyday people really understood the fed and the monetary system, the **** would hit the fan, fast.
I agree with repealing the income tax ammendment, which was never actually ratified I might add. Further, it requires the US to be actively at war, which we are not declared as such.

As for TANF, you guys are just wrong, but since a Dem is in office you argue that way. That's cool. Dodge the fact that he is arguing about eliminating something that is not even in the proposed budget and is out of funding and deemed expired, not merely unfunded. That's cool. Keep playing for your side of the same coin. Keep falling into the Dem/Pub and Progressive/TP and Yin/Yang trap. Keep going after fellow citizens instead of the fed.gov Gepettos.

They are playing you. All of them.
 

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As for TANF, you guys are just wrong, but since a Dem is in office you argue that way. That's cool. Dodge the fact that he is arguing about eliminating something that is not even in the proposed budget and is out of funding and deemed expired, not merely unfunded. That's cool. Keep playing for your side of the same coin. Keep falling into the Dem/Pub and Progressive/TP and Yin/Yang trap. Keep going after fellow citizens instead of the fed.gov Gepettos.
That's not it T, it is exactly as Steven said, no matter who is in office.

They are playing you. All of them.
Yes, they are. But that's why it's important as an individual not to be led by the bs that people like Huffington put out there. You know enough of about the system, to know that Steven is correct.

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