[ArKay99]

You know, right now, Jimmy Carter has to be the happiest SOB on the planet... :laughing:

:rolling:
Except he can't. He's got Hammas to legitimise. Last I heard he was in Lebanon. Probably smuggling rockets while trying to sell habitat for humanity to them. :laughing:

 

[ArKay99]

And I thought this thread was about somebody parking a manure spreader next to the white house :laughing:

(More on Obama)

No, no, no, the manure spreader lives inside the White House. :thumbsup:

 

[ArKay99]

No sweat ... just start running You Tubes of all the Red States who took stimulus, are medicare/medicaid recipients and any and all Obama socialist/communist/national socialist fascist funding and of course a whole plethora of (R) hypocrite on and on ...

What's that noize?

 

[ArKay99]

... I can tell it's gonna be long 2 years and 5 months from now here in the News Room ...

:laughing:

Depends.

 

[ArKay99]

So Sarah is running … that’s great. :thumbsup:

Whatever, she would have to pass the muster of Candidace from the pubs first. I think handling it the way she is is great. All she has to do is show up and the left becomes 'unhinged'.

The GOPs goal from day one, was to obstruct have the Government do absolutely nothing but help the rich.

Well, I suppose that's all the D-Bags have, so I understand why you have to regurgitate it ad nauseum.

That a great set of Goals, since it was so successful over the last decade.

One would think so if one was objective about who was in control of Congress since 2006 AND what was the major factor in taking down the economy... The answer is in my next retort.

I can remember 2008 … but the GOP is hopping you can’t. :laughing:

If you remember 2008 and are objective about it, the policy of 'everyone should own a home' that bankrupt Fanny and Freddy by giving loans to people with questionable financial status was step one. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were and still are in charge of the Banking Commision, the committe in charge of banking regulations. Dems that set the stage for the collapse with the lending policies designed to help the poor, NOT THE RICH. Then in step 2 the collapse of the mortgage backed securities from that collapse destroyed every lending institution that took part in mortgage lending and securities speculation.

So, how has helping the rich destroyed the economy? Could it possibly have anything to do with helping the poor by attempting to give them equity they couldn't afford or acquire by traditional means?

 

[ArKay99]

What basis of comparison is there concerning Big Government ?

Oh I get it ... Bush was the Big Government that ate us alive and Obama is/was the *Hope & Change* that it wouldn't ...

Thought I'd clarify that for you ... :thumbsup:

You're just concerned that once Obama's power is put under control that you'll lose your 'tit' as Simpson has put it. :laughing:

 

[ArKay99]

yeah....

ummmm.....

That stuff happens when you inheirit the largest recession since the great depression...

The great recession took over a decade to exit from.


Too many people look at the 90's as a benchmark for a good, average economy.

With todays globalization...(thanks to US corps).... The new benchmark for a average economy is more like recession 80's.

There is some truth here, but the application Keynsian economics to the economy has been proven to fail where applied, as of late, so the current economic direction is doomed to mediocraty.

Especially with our overpopulation of immigration and social burden.

:agree:
The real problem here is the mediocre economy trying to pull itself up while dragging this burden along with it. Unsustainable comes to mind.

 

[ArKay99]

America wants to take a pill and make it all go away overnight.
Huge recessions dont work that way.

Voters hard at work with their gray matter.:thumbsup:

Well, I can link to all sorts of stupid and ignorant stuff from the other side.

You're right the huge recessions don't work that way. How have we gotten out of any huge recession in the past?

 

[ArKay99]

:devil:
...

Those appear to be implants. Nice to look at, but unstainable in the long run. :thumbsup:

 

[ArKay99]

The great depression lasted from 1930 to 1949.

Past resessions? tough to say.

Each time the dynamics are changed.

Far worse dynamics are in play now.


With the huge loss in home values, 75 percent homes upside down, middle class bennies that drove a huge market are getting dropped for better profits, which tanks the hc industry, and people cannot afford hc anymore, 401Ks are unreliable, wages are down 30 percent, Boomers and seniors are dying, which are the last bastion of the middle class with equity, we need to downsize govt, add 10 million of them to unemployed, 2 million afgan and iraq war vets to unemployment, mothball the military and aerospace war contracts, which will dump another 5 million jobs and add unemployment, HC will crash and only be affordable to the wealthy unless for some reason the middle class magically find 14k a year per family to pay for it, HC crashing will add another 20 millin to unemployed, plus we have the current unemployed and all those 20 mill? new immigrants that are draining the system...an expanding outsourcing trend...Companies like Blockbuster and Wellpoint that inflate their prices to cover overhead and profit requirments...Energy and food speculation.....

I dont see any way out nomatter who the next few presidents are or what they do.

The Great Depression was from the 1929 Stock Market crash. My dad was born during it, I've talked my grandfather about it, and have gotten a lot of first-hand, although maybe anecdotal evidence of it. There are many historical references regarding what was the cause of it, but why did it go on for so long? The world was in the grips of an economic downturn, much like today, and FDR played with all sorts of social engineering policies tro try and revive it. Then we went to war. Only after the war did the economy turn around. It turned around because of the technology we harvested from the war. The manufacturing was in place to implement the products the new technology was giving rise to. All those soldiers coming home were raising families and were out working thier buts off and buying new stuff for the house, the family, etc. That's how we got out of the Great Depression.

It was the baby boom coupled with new technology.

How did this make it happen? Every family had an income, and that income enabled them to participate in the economy. There was a ton of money circulating.

The dynamics of the economy don't change. You either havejobs and people buying and making stuff, or you don't. What happens in between that is what causes the economy to fluctuate. One might look at government's fiddling with it to try and manage it is what causes it to fluctuate in the first place. And governments only reson to fiddle with it is to try and raise more tax revenue to pay for more programs.

The free market has been shown as the only way for an economy to flourish. The government seems to try and mess with it as much as possible without screwing it up. They seek to obtain the greates flow of tax revenue while attempting to keep the economy moving forward. Recessions and depressions are the result of mismanaging it.

I think the general theme to all of what is occurring now is, the government messed with it too much and caused this, so, let's get governemnt out of it for a while and let the free market pull itself back up.

 

[ArKay99]

But most popular presidents see a 20 percent drop in popularity within the first two years, let alone a deep recession.

Not like big O

and pogressives are responsible for most of our past growing economic bubbles, most of our economic growth in the last 20 years.

That doesn't explain Reagan.

The new American work ethic is lie n cheat your way to the top.

:agree:
That is the number one problem we have right now. Personal responsibility. And exactly what Beck's 8/28 was about.

You see, you do agree with Beck after all. Sorry..:laughing:

 

[ArKay99]

Not gonna happen.

We are a contracting economy.
We might see some bandaid fixes that will help a tad, or lose a few generations of people and have some small hiring upswings, but the corps and companies run this country, not govt.
And corps, investors and banks have packed up and moved to greener pastures.


Like Vettenewb say...."Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

Maybe. That's one man's opinion of what may be on a concept yet to be proven.

I have two reasons to counter that argument.

1: The current set of elected officials is going to change significantly this November, and it may change further yet down the road. The change coming is one towards the smaller, less intrusive government, like it or not.

2: If we don't try something different and start now, nothing is going to happen.