[duneripperxx]

When Tea Partiers talk about "taking our country back", this is what they are talking about. The left wants to pretend it's some kind of dark longing for white supremacist ways, but it's really about the breathing freedom that comes from taking care of one's self. And the only way we can do that is to be left with enough of our earnings to manage it.

There's nothing to take back.
Corps and banks run the country.





If we had any control, r could gain any, I would fully back the tea party.

 

[ArKay99]

The great depression lasted from 1930 to 1949.

Past resessions? tough to say.

Each time the dynamics are changed.

Far worse dynamics are in play now.


With the huge loss in home values, 75 percent homes upside down, middle class bennies that drove a huge market are getting dropped for better profits, which tanks the hc industry, and people cannot afford hc anymore, 401Ks are unreliable, wages are down 30 percent, Boomers and seniors are dying, which are the last bastion of the middle class with equity, we need to downsize govt, add 10 million of them to unemployed, 2 million afgan and iraq war vets to unemployment, mothball the military and aerospace war contracts, which will dump another 5 million jobs and add unemployment, HC will crash and only be affordable to the wealthy unless for some reason the middle class magically find 14k a year per family to pay for it, HC crashing will add another 20 millin to unemployed, plus we have the current unemployed and all those 20 mill? new immigrants that are draining the system...an expanding outsourcing trend...Companies like Blockbuster and Wellpoint that inflate their prices to cover overhead and profit requirments...Energy and food speculation.....

I dont see any way out nomatter who the next few presidents are or what they do.

The Great Depression was from the 1929 Stock Market crash. My dad was born during it, I've talked my grandfather about it, and have gotten a lot of first-hand, although maybe anecdotal evidence of it. There are many historical references regarding what was the cause of it, but why did it go on for so long? The world was in the grips of an economic downturn, much like today, and FDR played with all sorts of social engineering policies tro try and revive it. Then we went to war. Only after the war did the economy turn around. It turned around because of the technology we harvested from the war. The manufacturing was in place to implement the products the new technology was giving rise to. All those soldiers coming home were raising families and were out working thier buts off and buying new stuff for the house, the family, etc. That's how we got out of the Great Depression.

It was the baby boom coupled with new technology.

How did this make it happen? Every family had an income, and that income enabled them to participate in the economy. There was a ton of money circulating.

The dynamics of the economy don't change. You either havejobs and people buying and making stuff, or you don't. What happens in between that is what causes the economy to fluctuate. One might look at government's fiddling with it to try and manage it is what causes it to fluctuate in the first place. And governments only reson to fiddle with it is to try and raise more tax revenue to pay for more programs.

The free market has been shown as the only way for an economy to flourish. The government seems to try and mess with it as much as possible without screwing it up. They seek to obtain the greates flow of tax revenue while attempting to keep the economy moving forward. Recessions and depressions are the result of mismanaging it.

I think the general theme to all of what is occurring now is, the government messed with it too much and caused this, so, let's get governemnt out of it for a while and let the free market pull itself back up.

 

[ArKay99]

But most popular presidents see a 20 percent drop in popularity within the first two years, let alone a deep recession.

Not like big O

and pogressives are responsible for most of our past growing economic bubbles, most of our economic growth in the last 20 years.

That doesn't explain Reagan.

The new American work ethic is lie n cheat your way to the top.

:agree:
That is the number one problem we have right now. Personal responsibility. And exactly what Beck's 8/28 was about.

You see, you do agree with Beck after all. Sorry..:laughing:

 

[duneripperxx]

The free market has been shown as the only way for an economy to flourish. The government seems to try and mess with it as much as possible without screwing it up. They seek to obtain the greates flow of tax revenue while attempting to keep the economy moving forward. Recessions and depressions are the result of mismanaging it.

I think the general theme to all of what is occurring now is, the government messed with it too much and caused this, so, let's get governemnt out of it for a while and let the free market pull itself back up.

Not gonna happen.

We are a contracting economy.
We might see some bandaid fixes that will help a tad, or lose a few generations of people and have some small hiring upswings, but the corps and companies run this country, not govt.
And corps, investors and banks have packed up and moved to greener pastures.


Like Vettenewb say...."Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

 

[Texdentist]

There's nothing to take back.
Corps and banks run the country.





If we had any control, r could gain any, I would fully back the tea party.

No, the banks don't run the country, but they do have great power over people who borrow too much from them. There is a growing movement to be debt free in this country because people are tired of being eaten alive by interest payments. If someone feels like they are not free because of their debt, they owe too much and should set about to correct that. It's part of the hard side of freedom. We all want the easy stuff, but we want govenrment to shield us from the hard part. Well, one CAN downsize significantly, pay off consumer debt, and be free of any power of the banks.

 

[ArKay99]

Not gonna happen.

We are a contracting economy.
We might see some bandaid fixes that will help a tad, or lose a few generations of people and have some small hiring upswings, but the corps and companies run this country, not govt.
And corps, investors and banks have packed up and moved to greener pastures.


Like Vettenewb say...."Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..."

Maybe. That's one man's opinion of what may be on a concept yet to be proven.

I have two reasons to counter that argument.

1: The current set of elected officials is going to change significantly this November, and it may change further yet down the road. The change coming is one towards the smaller, less intrusive government, like it or not.

2: If we don't try something different and start now, nothing is going to happen.