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PARIS (AFP) – French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared Thursday that multiculturalism had failed, joining a growing number of world leaders or ex-leaders who have condemned it.

"My answer is clearly yes, it is a failure," he said in a television interview when asked about the policy which advocates that host societies welcome and foster distinct cultural and religious immigrant groups.

"Of course we must all respect differences, but we do not want... a society where communities coexist side by side.

"If you come to France, you accept to melt into a single community, which is the national community, and if you do not want to accept that, you cannot be welcome in France," the right-wing president said.

"The French national community cannot accept a change in its lifestyle, equality between men and women... freedom for little girls to go to school," he said.

"We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him," Sarkozy said in the TFI channel show.

British Prime Minister David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Australia's ex-prime minister John Howard and Spanish ex-premier Jose Maria Aznar have also recently said multicultural policies have not successfully integrated immigrants.

Merkel in October said efforts towards multiculturalism in Germany had "failed, totally."

The comment followed weeks of anguished debate sparked by the huge popularity of a book by a central banker saying that immigrants, in particular Muslims, were making Germany "more stupid."

Britain's Cameron last week pronounced his country's long-standing policy of multiculturalism a failure, calling for better integration of young Muslims to combat home-grown extremism.

He urged a "more active, muscular liberalism" where equal rights, the rule of law, freedom of speech and democracy are actively promoted to create a stronger national identity.

The prime minister, who took power in May 2010, argued that "under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream".

He said this had resulted in a lack of national identity in Britain which had made some young Muslims turn to extremist ideology.

Sarkozy said in his television interview Thursday that "our Muslim compatriots must be able to practise their religion, as any citizen can," but he noted "we in France do not want people to pray in an ostentatious way in the street."

French far-right leader Marine Le Pen late last year came under fire for comparing Muslims praying in the streets outside overcrowded mosques in France to the Nazi occupation.

Marine Le Pen said there were "ten to fifteen" places in France where Muslims worshipped in the streets outside mosques when these were full.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110210/wl_afp/francepoliticsimmigrationsociety_20110210231042
 

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I believe he has said this a few times. And I tend to agree. I am all in favor of immigration, but people need to remember that they came HERE because it is better here than wherever they come from. Therefore, they should embrace and enrich our culture, not carve out holes of their own culture and force us to pay for you to have translators follow you around.
 

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I've been saying for years that Europeans would rue the day they decided to be politically correct and open their arms to large numbers of immigrants. It looks like the rueing has begun. We aren't far behind in this country.
 

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Bruce Bawer laid all this out in his book entitled, While Europe Slept back in 2006. It was an excellent eye opening read and highly recommended.
 

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What's the difference between "Multiculturalism" and normal "Immigration"?


There are multiple definitions used in different contexts.
 

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Immigration expects new immigrants to leave the old behind and blend into their new country absorbing much of it's culture. Multiculturalism is the belief that many distinct cultures can live in the same country and make no effort to absorb one another's culture. It's the so-called melting pot of America vs. the entirely separate Muslim communities in several European countries. We have some de facto multiculturalism here, but it's a planned process in Europe that has failed.
 

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Immigration expects new immigrants to leave the old behind and blend into their new country absorbing much of it's culture. Multiculturalism is the belief that many distinct cultures can live in the same country and make no effort to absorb one another's culture. It's the so-called melting pot of America vs. the entirely separate Muslim communities in several European countries. We have some de facto multiculturalism here, but it's a planned process in Europe that has failed.

But that's pretty much the problem....

I'd say we have tons of defacto multiculturalism here, and it's growing due to the numbers of immigration and new friendly politics and micro economies.

Much of this has existed before, but things were different with the way we treated other cultures.


and on a side note.... this is mostly directed towards Muslims.
Racism.......if you will......



It's more of a "Go Away, We Dont Want You Here" statement, and a political spin for votes.


I agree with most of the article and the viewpoints of our DC members here,.....I just dont see it as a correct assessment by the political parties involved.

I've been watching these statements for months or years......they seem more tied to pressures of terrorism and socialist hc burdens.
 

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But that's pretty much the problem....

I'd say we have tons of defacto multiculturalism here, and it's growing due to the numbers of immigration and new friendly politics and micro economies.

Much of this has existed before, but things were different with the way we treated other cultures.


and on a side note.... this is mostly directed towards Muslims.
Racism.......if you will......



It's more of a "Go Away, We Dont Want You Here" statement, and a political spin for votes.


I agree with most of the article and the viewpoints of our DC members here,.....I just dont see it as a correct assesment by the political parties involved.

I've been watching these statements for months or years......they seem more tied to pressures of terrorism and socialist hc burdens.
I disagree. It is an awakening to the issues of allowing multiculturism. Let alone promoting multiculturism.

Politics and immigration need to be more hard on immigrants to promote full immigration and integration in place of multiculturism. A country divided by multi-cultural lines will not and cannot survive.

The United States became a great country because of immigration, not multi-culturism.
 

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I disagree. It is an awakening to the issues of allowing multiculturism. Let alone promoting multiculturism.
No it's not.

If 1000 India bioengineers wanted to move to France, provided they build thier own church and subdivision, France would be all over that like a hobo on a ham sammy.
 

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But that's pretty much the problem....

I'd say we have tons of defacto multiculturalism here, and it's growing due to the numbers of immigration and new friendly politics and micro economies.

Much of this has existed before, but things were different with the way we treated other cultures.


and on a side note.... this is mostly directed towards Muslims.
Racism.......if you will......



It's more of a "Go Away, We Dont Want You Here" statement, and a political spin for votes.


I agree with most of the article and the viewpoints of our DC members here,.....I just dont see it as a correct assessment by the political parties involved.

I've been watching these statements for months or years......they seem more tied to pressures of terrorism and socialist hc burdens.

It's all a side effect of population growth and the asymetrical growth among cultures. Anglo-Saxons decided with the advent of birth control that one or two child families were optimal for their happiness. But most other cultures continue to average many more children than that. One reason white Americans resent illegal immigration is that they are being out-reproduced, and that clearly is going to lead to a major culture shift in America. The predominant culture in this country since it's founding has been European in nature with a Judeo-Christian moral underpinning. People who are comfortable with that culture really don't want to see it change. That isn't racist, it's human nature. I still believe that people who immigrate here should set out to blend into the culture - not keep themselves separate. If they don't want to do that, they should stay home. The European experiment is proving the logic of that belief.
 

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It's all a side effect of population growth and the asymetrical growth among cultures. Anglo-Saxons decided with the advent of birth control that one or two child families were optimal for their happiness. But most other cultures continue to average many more children than that. One reason white Americans resent illegal immigration is that they are being out-reproduced, and that clearly is going to lead to a major culture shift in America. The predominant culture in this country since it's founding has been European in nature with a Judeo-Christian moral underpinning. People who are comfortable with that culture really don't want to see it change. That isn't racist, it's human nature. I still believe that people who immigrate here should set out to blend into the culture - not keep themselves separate. If they don't want to do that, they should stay home. The European experiment is proving the logic of that belief.
:agree:

But I still consider it both, racist by definition, and human nature, from a sociological standpoint.

And not immune to either.
 

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:agree:

But I still consider it both, racist by definition, and human nature, from a sociological standpoint.

And not immune to either.
I will agree to this extent; There are sort of two kinds of racism - There is the kind that is related to human nature that says "I want to be around people as much like me as possible". That's why segregation is so hard to cure. The first urge of almost everybody is to be near similar people. That is not a negative form of racism in my mind - it's human nature. Then there is racism that breeds hate for people of different races. That is negative racism and needs to disappear.:cheers:
 

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These countries and ours should just be upfront and say, "Blend in or GTFO" to the Muslims.

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These countries and ours should just be upfront and say, "Blend in or GTFO" to the Muslims.

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Why not?

We did to the irish, germans, polocks, daegos, and greeks. Why the **** to the muslims and latinos get a ****ing free pass?

Serious!
 

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Why not?

We did to the irish, germans, polocks, daegos, and greeks. Why the **** to the muslims and latinos get a ****ing free pass?

Serious!
Those distinguished groups made some effort to assimilate while keeping some of their cultural mores. By and large, Hispanics and Middle Easterners just want to move their countries here and occupy space that was developed by our European ancestors. What I want to know is why they don't stay home and clean up their corrupt governments and tell their theocrats to take a hike?
 

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They are tolerated due to their lack of multiculturalism. As it has always been. It has nothing to do with race. It does, however, have everything to do with culture. It is the multiple and differing cultures that is the cause of our angst... and not racism.

Those ethnicities listed above... share a sameness with American culture. This is in opposition to cultures that Asian or Muslim or Africans... or even homosexuals that participate in a differing way then is the the expected norm for that particular country, regardless of the country. This is where some confuse the meaning and understanding (sometimes with purpose). They claim it is due to hate and bigotry and racism... rather then the actual cause... which is a cultural divide.

That, was the statement Sarkozy was making.
 

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No it's not.

If 1000 India bioengineers wanted to move to France, provided they build thier own church and subdivision, France would be all over that like a hobo on a ham sammy.
Do you even read **** before you go off half cocked??? :crazy:

You're off subject again.
 

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Immigration expects new immigrants to leave the old behind and blend into their new country absorbing much of it's culture. Multiculturalism is the belief that many distinct cultures can live in the same country and make no effort to absorb one another's culture. It's the so-called melting pot of America vs. the entirely separate Muslim communities in several European countries. We have some de facto multiculturalism here, but it's a planned process in Europe that has failed.
That is such bullshit. I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit. Your definition of Multiculturalism is slanted and well, wrong...it presupposes the worst in people. You are talking about Nationalism at it relates to absorbing immigrants, but Multiculturalism in its positive humanistic definition means a melting pot...yeah, you remember this from your grade school history lessons. One single collective being bigger than the sum of its parts...Yes its a grand idea, but that is America. I am 100 percent behind any immigrants having to learn American history and culture and most definitely learning to speak English, but the essence of Multiculturalism is not what you have so narrowly defined. People of all races and religions should be welcome in our country. I am not so naive to think that I don't have as much to learn as I have to teach. The funny thing is that most of the Conservative pundits on this "Corvette Enthusiast Site" have lost site of the fact that the country they now live in is the result of those who would seek to better themselves in the face of those who would hold them down. Do not believe the fat and the rich who tell you to fear those who wish for a better life. Be better. If not...go back to the UK.
 
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