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Millions more were spent in Hawaii, Miami, Guam and elsewhere. In all, the LA Times has learned that $69 million in California welfare funds meant to help the needy have been spent outside the state in recent years on a variety of luxuries, including Las Vegas slot machines, Hawaiian vacations and cruise ships sailing from Miami.

Round-trip flights from Los Angeles to Honolulu on Orbitz.com Sunday started at $419 — more than 80% of the average monthly cash benefit for a single parent of two on CalWorks, the state’s main aid program.

“How they can go somewhere like Hawaii and be legit on aid … they can’t,” said Robert Hollenbeck, a fraud investigator for the Fresno County district attorney’s office. “This is money for basic subsistence needs.” …

Of the nearly $12 million accessed in Las Vegas, more than $1 million was spent or withdrawn at shops and casino hotels on, or within a few blocks of, the 4.5-mile strip. The list includes $8,968 at the Tropicana, $7,995 at the Venetian and its Grand Canal Shoppes, and $1,332 at Tix 4 Tonight, seller of discount admission for such acts as Cirque du Soleil.

Although many Las Vegas casinos block the use of welfare cards in ATMs on gambling floors, more than $34,700 has been spent or withdrawn from the ATM at a 7-Eleven in the shadow of Steve Wynn’s new Encore casino and a couple of blocks south of Circus Circus. …

The data show addresses of stores and ATM locations where the cards have been used and the amounts of the transactions by year. They do not reveal the identities of the welfare recipients or show how many users visited a given retailer.

Of the $1.5 million accessed in Florida, $13,109 was spent or withdrawn in South Beach, most of that at bars and restaurants along trendy Lincoln Road. More than $7,000 was withdrawn from ATMs a few hours north, at Walt Disney World.

The data also show $16,010 withdrawn from 14 cruise ships sailing from ports around the world — Long Beach, Rio de Janeiro, Beijing. Eight sail primarily from Miami.

This out-of-state spending accounts for less than 1 percent of the state’s $10.8 billion welfare fund, but repeated abuses have raised questions among fraud investigators. ”If it’s a one-time thing in Miami, we would never check that out,” said John Haley, commander of the financial crimes division of the San Diego County district attorney’s office, who said 24% of all new welfare applications in his jurisdiction contain some form of fraud. “We look for patterns of abuse.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/over-11-million-in-california-welfare-funds-spent-in-vegas-casinos/
 

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i believe every government program will be abused. its why we need to reduce the scope of government to a minimum. :spanked: at the moment I'd say we're more than 10X the minimum.:thud:
 

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I lived next door to 4 people pooling their checks to live in an exclusive gated community in Florida.

What's your point? Prudent use of Welfare checks or masking cash income in order to draw welfare can net a good middle class life in the US? Well, yeah:laughing::laughing:
 

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Why is the system not setup to prevent this kind of crap?
Stop issuing checks and issue vouchers. Insane.
 

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While this story sure sounds bad, we are talking about less than 1% of the system being abused. This could be accounted for by theft of the cards and minor abuse alone. I think a system that helps more than 99% of the people without abuse would get a rating of A+. This story just seems to be a distraction, more than a story.
 

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It did say 69 million right?
 

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While this story sure sounds bad, we are talking about less than 1% of the system being abused. This could be accounted for by theft of the cards and minor abuse alone. I think a system that helps more than 99% of the people without abuse would get a rating of A+. This story just seems to be a distraction, more than a story.
This out-of-state spending accounts for less than 1 percent of the state’s $10.8 billion welfare fund, but repeated abuses have raised questions among fraud investigators. ”If it’s a one-time thing in Miami, we would never check that out,” said John Haley, commander of the financial crimes division of the San Diego County district attorney’s office, who said 24% of all new welfare applications in his jurisdiction contain some form of fraud. “We look for patterns of abuse.”
 

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i dunno, but if you are on welfare, you sure as hell do not deserve or have a right to go on vacation. their place at the govt's teet should be revoked immediately
 

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This out-of-state spending accounts for less than 1 percent of the state’s $10.8 billion welfare fund, but repeated abuses have raised questions among fraud investigators. ”If it’s a one-time thing in Miami, we would never check that out,” said John Haley, commander of the financial crimes division of the San Diego County district attorney’s office, who said 24% of all new welfare applications in his jurisdiction contain some form of fraud. “We look for patterns of abuse.”
Yes I saw that but I guess this is just a badly written piece. I mean none of the numbers add up to anything. Some of the money referenced to was over many years and some I guess is just for one year. Even what you highlighted , qualifies the 24% as being of all new welfare applications in his jurisdiction. What percentage of the total does his district represent? Waht percentage of the total do new applications represent? If he knows that 24% of these applications in his district contain some kind of fraud in them he must be catching them and at the very least denying them the services. So what percentage is getting through??

Again sorry but a badly written story that doesn't have a continuos enough time line or enough facts and numbers that tell the real story. IMHO. :thumbsup:
 

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i dunno, but if you are on welfare, you sure as hell do not deserve or have a right to go on vacation. their place at the govt's teet should be revoked immediately
While I completely agree that somebody on welfare shouldn't be going on vacation, do we know that is realy the case? Could this be people who steal a welfare recipients card? Could this be cheats who get welfare illegaly? We just don't know.
 

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don't know, dont care. end their benefits.
 

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Yes I saw that but I guess this is just a badly written piece. I mean none of the numbers add up to anything. Some of the money referenced to was over many years and some I guess is just for one year. Even what you highlighted , qualifies the 24% as being of all new welfare applications in his jurisdiction. What percentage of the total does his district represent? Waht percentage of the total do new applications represent? If he knows that 24% of these applications in his district contain some kind of fraud in them he must be catching them and at the very least denying them the services. So what percentage is getting through??

Again sorry but a badly written story that doesn't have a continuos enough time line or enough facts and numbers that tell the real story. IMHO. :thumbsup:

The article is pointing out the pattern of fraud. :cheers:
 

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i'll be dipped in poopie if fully half of all government spending isn't pure waste and fraud. :laughing: You know I'm right.
 

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are you asking to be dipped in poo? i can arrange it....:rolling:
 

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and to make it worse, your also getting **** on by the waaay to liberal Wi govt


my wife is from green bay and i grew up there lol
 

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and to make it worse, your also getting **** on by the waaay to liberal Wi govt


my wife is from green bay and i grew up there lol
but we're about to get a new conservative governor - scott walker, and senator - ron johnson. hopefully they'll make a difference and not be rinos
 

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yea, and maybe the concealed carry bill will pass this year lol....oh well at least open carry is legal :laughing:
 
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