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Why does their hatred of her burn so hot?

Ask them, and they'll most likely tell you: Because she's a moron. But that is obviously false. To be sure, her skills at extemporaneous speaking leave much to be desired. But that can be said of a good many politicians on both sides of the aisle, including George W. Bush, John Kerry and, yes, Barack Obama. And don't get us started on the man who defeated her for the vice presidency.

She drives them crazy.

Whether or not she is presidential timber--and we are inclined to think that she is not--there is no denying that she is a highly accomplished person. She is also a highly accomplished woman, what in an earlier age would have been called a feminist pioneer: the first female governor of the malest state in the country, the first woman on the presidential ticket of the party on the male side of the "gender gap." Having left politics, whether temporarily or permanently, she has established herself as one of the most consequential voices in the political media.

They say she is uneducated. What they mean is that her education is not elite--not Harvard or Yale, or even Michigan or UCLA. They resent her because, in their view, she has risen above her station.

In this respect we identify fully with Palin, for we have been on the receiving end of similar disdain. Our education, like Sarah Palin's, consisted of too many years at inferior state universities, although unlike her, we never even got around to graduating. The other day Paul Reidlinger took a shot at us for featuring one of his restaurant reviews under our "Wannabe Pundits" heading last month: "I was even denounced by noted high school graduate James Taranto." (For the record, our high school diploma is a GED.)

"Denounced" is far too strong a word; "mocked" is more like it. Reidlinger writes for San Francisco Bay Guardian, whatever that is. He doesn't say, but we surmise that he possesses advanced degrees from Stanford or the University of California, both very fine institutions. He observes that "it is a writer's job to afflict the comfortable and complacent." That would be an insufferably pretentious way to describe our job as a political columnist for an elite newspaper. What is a restaurant critic going to "afflict the comfortable" with? Food poisoning?

Professional jealousy and intellectual snobbery, however, only scratch the surface of the left's bizarre attitude toward Palin. They explain the intensity of the disdain, but not the outright hatred--not why some people whose grasp of reality is sufficient to function in society made the insane inference that she was to blame for a madman's attempt to murder Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

This unhinged hatred of Palin comes mostly from women. That is an awkward observation for us to offer, because a man risks sounding sexist or unchivalrous when he makes unflattering generalizations about women. Therefore, we are going to hide behind the skirts of our friend Jessica Faller, a New Yorker in her 30s of generally liberal politics. Over the weekend, she wrote us this analysis of Palin-hatred, which she has generously given us permission to quote:

I am starting out with a guess that this stems from her abrupt appearance on the national scene during the McCain-Obama race. She appeared out of nowhere and landed squarely in a position of extreme attention and media power. Her sex appeal might not have been as much of an issue had she been a known entity with a tremendous, watertight political résumé.

Even lacking that, her sex appeal might not have been such an issue if her demeanor on the campaign trail had been more, well, conservative. But here is this comely woman, in a curvy red suit, giving "shout-outs" during the debate with Joe Biden, giving controversial interviews without apology, basically driving in there, parking the car, and walking in like she owned the place.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But she couldn't have pulled it off if she were a gray mouse in a pantsuit, and because the devil in the red dress wasn't orating like a professor, it roused an unquenchable forest fire of rage and loathing in the breasts of many women, perhaps of the toiling gray mouse variety, who projected onto her their own career resentments and personal frustrations.

I am amazed at how people still abhor her. I personally do not. I don't feel she would be a good choice to run this country, but she does not deserve the horrific treatment she gets. I can tell you, being privy to the endless, incendiary rants this past week about her, coming from hordes of liberal women--age demo 25 to 45--they rip her to pieces, they blame her for everything, and the jealousy/resentment factor is so clear and primal. I've never seen anything like it.

We'd say this goes beyond mere jealousy. For many liberal women, Palin threatens their sexual identity, which is bound up with their politics in a way that it is not for any other group (possibly excepting gays, though that is unrelated to today's topic).

An important strand of contemporary liberalism is feminism. As a label, "feminist" is passé; outside the academic fever swamps, you will find few women below Social Security age who embrace it.

That is because what used to be called feminism--the proposition that women deserve equality before the law and protection from discrimination--is almost universally accepted today. Politically speaking, a woman is the equal of a man. No woman in public life better symbolizes this than Sarah Palin--especially not Hillary Clinton, the left's favorite icon. No one can deny Mrs. Clinton's accomplishments, but neither can one escape crediting them in substantial part to her role as the wife of a powerful man.

But there is more to feminism than political and legal equality. Men and women are intrinsically unequal in ways that are ultimately beyond the power of government to remediate. That is because nature is unfair. Sexual reproduction is far more demanding, both physically and temporally, for women than for men. Men simply do not face the sort of children-or-career conundrums that vex women in an era of workplace equality.

Except for the small minority of women with no interest in having children, this is an inescapable problem, one that cannot be obviated by political means. Aspects of it can, however, be ameliorated by technology--most notably contraception, which at least gives women considerable control over the timing of reproduction.

As a political matter, contraception is essentially uncontroversial today, which is to say that any suggestion that adult women be legally prevented from using birth control is outside the realm of serious debate. The same cannot be said of abortion, and that is at the root of Palinoia.

To the extent that "feminism" remains controversial, it is because of the position it takes on abortion: not just that a woman should have the "right to choose," but that this is a matter over which reasonable people cannot disagree--that to favor any limitations on the right to abortion, or even to acknowledge that abortion is morally problematic, is to deny the basic dignity of women.

To a woman who has internalized this point of view, Sarah Palin's opposition to abortion rights is a personal affront, and a deep one. It doesn't help that Palin lives by her beliefs. To the contrary, it intensifies the offense.

It used to be a trope for liberal interviewers to try to unmask hypocrisy by asking antiabortion politicians--male ones, of course--what they would do if their single teen daughters got pregnant. It's a rude question, but Palin, whose 17-year-old daughter's pregnancy coincided with Mom's introduction to the nation, answered it in real life.

Recently we were at a party where a woman in her 60s, a self-described feminist, called Palin a "moron" for having encouraged her daughter to carry her child to term and "to marry the sperm donor." Even apart from the gross language, this was a completely irrational thing to say. First, that Palin's values are different in no way reflects on her intelligence.

More important, why is Bristol Palin's decision to carry her child to term any of this lady's business? Those who claim to be champions of privacy and choice need to do some serious soul-searching if they have so much trouble tolerating the private choices of others.

What about male Palin-hatred? It seems to us that it is of decidedly secondary importance. Liberal men put down Palin as a cheap way to score points with the women in their lives, or they use her as an outlet for more-general misogynistic impulses that would otherwise be socially unacceptable to express.

Liberal women are the active, driving force behind hatred of Sarah Palin, while liberal men's behavior is passive and manipulative. In this respect, feminism has succeeded in reversing the traditional sexual stereotypes. If this is the result, you have to wonder why anyone would have bothered.

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We'll have to wait for the DC Residential Palin Expert to respond on this one... :lookinup:

Dune? You out there? :laughing:

By the way...any one seen Who's Nailin Palin Two? or Three? :surprised

Good Stuff! :thumbsup:
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Ill bite.

As a Palin hater, I couldnt disagree more with that writeup. This is more how I feel about her:

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As a Palin hater,
What is that this women has done to deserve this over the top hatred and wishes of demise ? Some of you within the left ideology, have more respect for the Taliban... then you do Palin.

What about male Palin-hatred? It seems to us that it is of decidedly secondary importance. Liberal men put down Palin as a cheap way to score points with the women in their lives, or they use her as an outlet for more-general misogynistic impulses that would otherwise be socially unacceptable to express.

Liberal women are the active, driving force behind hatred of Sarah Palin, while liberal men's behavior is passive and manipulative. In this respect, feminism has succeeded in reversing the traditional sexual stereotypes. If this is the result, you have to wonder why anyone would have bothered.
 

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What is that this women has done to deserve this over the top hatred and wishes of demise ? Some of you within the left ideology, have more respect for the Taliban... then you do Palin.
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I wouldn't remotely call how I feel about her as "hate", I don't even dislike the woman. I haven't really followed here since her failed bid for VP but my conclusions about her are derived from what she showed during that run. That run showed me that she was not ready to be VP and that she was not politically savvy or educated in politics to be running the presidency if something were to happen to the president.

At the same time, I really didn't feel Bush II was all that smart either and I voted for him. I like the guy and he sure seems like he'd be a blast to go fishing with. Obama may shoot himself in the foot with some of the things he says but at least his grammar is no where near as bad a Bush's blunders. He does seem to have bitten off more than he realized but he doesn't cause me as much fear as Palin would in the same office.
 

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Ill bite.

As a Palin hater, I couldnt disagree more with that writeup. This is more how I feel about her:

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So Jon Stewart is an expert at making fun of people. When I was a kid on the schoolyard, it was understood that kids who did that were bullies. Now, the national pasttime for libs is making fun of people and THEY are the ones railing againt bullies. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
As for the article about Sarah, I think they have nailed it. The left simply doesn't like a woman who is not from an elite school getting as much attention as she gets. The assumption from the get-go is that no elite pedigree equals unworthy of attention. Fortunately, while they have a right to rail against her, hard-working middle Americans understand the broken nature of our government that Palin talks about so much. I personally hope she doesn't run for president, because, for the sake of America, Pubs need to win in 2012, and I don't think Sarah can win. But I still say "Go, Sarah. Stay in their faces."
 

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So Jon Stewart is an expert at making fun of people. When I was a kid on the schoolyard, it was understood that kids who did that were bullies. Now, the national pasttime for libs is making fun of people and THEY are the ones railing againt bullies. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
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Taking pot-shots is definitely not high-brow. :down:

If she is a total joke, or non-threat, then why so much attention?
 

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So Jon Stewart is an expert at making fun of people. When I was a kid on the schoolyard, it was understood that kids who did that were bullies. Now, the national pasttime for libs is making fun of people and THEY are the ones railing againt bullies. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
:laughing: The entire ideology is based on hypocrisy and double standards.. ever had a debate with a leftist in person? OMG, now that is fun. You can always make them mad as hell and they will end up insulting you and walking away.. :rolling:

Notice you didn't see the usual's over in the nazi thread? :lookinup:
 

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Notice you didn't see the usual's over in the nazi thread? :lookinup:
Actually, it seems like most of the usuals are drifting away. I would like to think it was because our brilliant arguments changed their minds and helped them see the light. But probably they just got tired of beating their heads against the wall.:laughing: I wish they would come back. DC has some of the most civil political debate on the internet because we all have our love of Corvettes in common.:thumbsup:
 

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What is that this women has done to deserve this over the top hatred and wishes of demise ? Some of you within the left ideology, have more respect for the Taliban... then you do Palin.
I can only speak for myself, something the author of this piece doesnt seem understand. I hate Palin because she wants to run this country (or at least steer it), yet has no desire to learn nor show any apparent knowledge of the world or its past. The saying goes, those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Running this country is unimaginably complex yet she claims her gut is her guiding force. Trusting ones gut comes from experience in similar situations, from years of experience, from being able to pin point the key relevent facts when being bombarded with random information. How is she going to host world leaders and answer tough real world questions when she wont go on a news network other than Fox because she is afraid of "gotcha" questions?


So Jon Stewart is an expert at making fun of people. When I was a kid on the schoolyard, it was understood that kids who did that were bullies. Now, the national pasttime for libs is making fun of people and THEY are the ones railing againt bullies. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.
As for the article about Sarah, I think they have nailed it. The left simply doesn't like a woman who is not from an elite school getting as much attention as she gets. The assumption from the get-go is that no elite pedigree equals unworthy of attention. Fortunately, while they have a right to rail against her, hard-working middle Americans understand the broken nature of our government that Palin talks about so much. I personally hope she doesn't run for president, because, for the sake of America, Pubs need to win in 2012, and I don't think Sarah can win. But I still say "Go, Sarah. Stay in their faces."
What about Rush? He has plenty of fun making fun of liberals and no one on the right is calling him a bully?


I cant help but laugh. This thread has been a bunch of conservatives arguing with me about why liberals hate Palin. I feel I am more qualified to answer that question than anyone else so far in this thread.

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I can only speak for myself, something the author of this piece doesnt seem understand. I hate Palin because she wants to run this country (or at least steer it), yet has no desire to learn nor show any apparent knowledge of the world or its past. The saying goes, those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Running this country is unimaginably complex yet she claims her gut is her guiding force. Trusting ones gut comes from experience in similar situations, from years of experience, from being able to pin point the key relevent facts when being bombarded with random information. How is she going to host world leaders and answer tough real world questions when she wont go on a news network other than Fox because she is afraid of "gotcha" questions?
That! -warrants hatred and cruelty ? Could the very same you have stated as reason to "hate" Palin... not be applied to Obama (although your side states it's due to racism)? He refuses to be interviewed by Limbaugh... or Beck, for the same reasons. He has been on Fox as many times as Palin has been on rivals opinion networks. he has made as many blunders (if not more) then Palin has.
 

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Like shooting fish in a barrel.. :laughing:

I can only speak for myself, something the author of this piece doesnt seem understand. I hate Palin because she wants to run this country (or at least steer it), yet has no desire to learn nor show any apparent knowledge of the world or its past.

And where does this gem of intelligence come from? Just because she don't see the world or the past through revisionism, don't mean she don't know whats what. Your basis for your knowledge of Palin is a couple of gotcha interviews that were so heavily edited, the network won't even release the un-edited transcripts. That should be your first red flag.. but it don't fit your collective ideology.

The saying goes, those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Running this country is unimaginably complex yet she claims her gut is her guiding force. Trusting ones gut comes from experience in similar situations, from years of experience, from being able to pin point the key relevent facts when being bombarded with random information.
So, she isn't qualified, but the street agitator is? :rolling: Where is his "years of experience"? Your making a mockery of good debate..

How is she going to host world leaders and answer tough real world questions when she wont go on a news network other than Fox because she is afraid of "gotcha" questions?
Working out for Barry.. this dude never even had a job, how is he going to handle the complexities of the US job market? He can't, thats the reason real unemployment is around 20%. Oh, now he isn't your guy? Damn....

What about Rush? He has plenty of fun making fun of liberals and no one on the right is calling him a bully?
What did he say? Was it true?

I cant help but laugh. This thread has been a bunch of conservatives arguing with me about why liberals hate Palin.
Liberal hate Palin because she is a threat.. you hate Palin and have yet to give one valid reason for the hate.

I feel I am more qualified to answer that question than anyone else so far in this thread.

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Now that is John Stewart material... :smack
 
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