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It’s only one month, and there will be plenty of twists and turns between now and November 2012, but I can’t help but notice that the month of May has been awfully kind to the Democratic Party.

Last night, in a major upset, Buffalo-area voters elected a Democratic congresswoman in a ruby-red district that never elects Democrats. The driving issue of the campaign: the Republican agenda in Congress.

That’s the highest-profile win for the party, but it’s also the latest in a line of recent victories.

* New Hampshire: Last week, there was a special election in a state House district where Republicans have dominated for years. The Democratic candidate won in a landslide, even after a local town clerk illegally required photo IDs to vote.

* Florida: Also last week, Jacksonville was home to a high-profile mayoral race, and the state GOP touted the election as the first warning shot of the 2012 cycle. Instead, voters elected Democrat Alvin Brown — Jacksonville’s first African-American mayor — stunning the Republican establishment statewide.

* Wisconsin: Three weeks ago, there was a special election in a Wisconsin state Assembly district that has been represented by a Republican for 16 years. In this case, the Democrat won by eight points.

* Maine: Two weeks ago, there was a special election to fill a vacancy in the state Senate, in a district that has been very competitive in the recent past. In this case, the Democrat won by a crushing 2-to-1 margin.

This is not to say that Dems are back on track after a brutal 2010. Indeed, Democrats did quite well in 2009 special elections, only to receive a “shellacking” a year later.

But Republicans started 2011 thinking the wind was at their backs, and it was the GOP with all the national momentum. After a series of losses in races Republicans expected to win with relative ease, the party would be wise to take a moment to realize Americans aren’t buying what the GOP is selling.

Indeed, it looks an awful lot like buyer’s remorse is the most common public sentiment.
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"But Republicans started 2011 thinking the wind was at their backs, and it was the GOP with all the national momentum. After a series of losses in races Republicans expected to win with relative ease, the party would be wise to take a moment to realize Americans aren’t buying what the GOP is selling."

I can't argue with that statement. There has definitely been a let-down in the anger toward Democrats since the 2010 elections. It will be interesting to see if the Pubs can channel that anger again as the '12 elections approach. I sure can't say right now.
 

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So... the people were upset at republicans for not dismantling the socialist mandates "overwhelmingly" supported by the leftists that were in charge... so they voted for the very same socialist mandates they wanted removed in the first place?

OK ???
 

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so they voted for the very same socialist mandates they wanted removed in the first place?
Think the key is the ones who did not vote allowed the "D" to be voted in:lookinup:

To counter act the established liberal machine, we will need a higher voter turnout this year
 

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Think the key is the ones who did not vote allowed the "D" to be voted in:lookinup:

To counter act the established liberal machine, we will need a higher voter turnout this year
:agree:...The pubs especialy in wisconsin woke up a sleeping giant. Allong with the attempts to destroy the unions the new plan to make medicair a private plan has stirred up a huge number of people who had basicaly been not very interested in the democrats. Now they are buzzing around looking to sting any pub. This looks like over confidence and a misreading of public sentiment, on the part of the pubs. The people want a reasonable fiscal plan not partisan and ideologicaly driven cuts.
 

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:agree:...The pubs especialy in wisconsin woke up a sleeping giant. Allong with the attempts to destroy the unions the new plan to make medicair a private plan has stirred up a huge number of people who had basicaly been not very interested in the democrats. Now they are buzzing around looking to sting any pub. This looks like over confidence and a misreading of public sentiment, on the part of the pubs. The people want a reasonable fiscal plan not partisan and ideologicaly driven cuts.
So how do you make cuts without being called partisan and ideologically driven? You can't. Whoever's ass gets stung by a cut is going to call it partisan and ideologically driven. The Pubs are trying to be the grown-ups in government and begin to chip away at the entitlement driven spending that is killing us. Voters think they want that until they get it. What's happening in Wisconsin is proving that we really don't want grown-ups in government. We just want more Santa Claus. How long do you suppose we can survive on that mentality? :crazy:
 

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First rule of politics:

Never, ever, underestimate the gullibility and stupidity of the average American voter.
 

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So how do you make cuts without being called partisan and ideologically driven? You can't. Whoever's ass gets stung by a cut is going to call it partisan and ideologically driven. The Pubs are trying to be the grown-ups in government and begin to chip away at the entitlement driven spending that is killing us. Voters think they want that until they get it. What's happening in Wisconsin is proving that we really don't want grown-ups in government. We just want more Santa Claus. How long do you suppose we can survive on that mentality? :crazy:
First of all if you want to look like a grown up, cut across the board. Don't cut what the other side likes and expect to get support. Cut the things that your people like as much. Also don't take some tax increases off the table. The general public is fine with giving up something if they see the pain being shared. If you say we have to cut Medicair so we can afford Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy you have a problem...and the pubs right now have a problem.
 

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First of all if you want to look like a grown up, cut across the board. Don't cut what the other side likes and expect to get support. Cut the things that your people like as much. Also don't take some tax increases off the table. The general public is fine with giving up something if they see the pain being shared. If you say we have to cut Medicair so we can afford Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy you have a problem...and the pubs right now have a problem.
But looking specifically at Wisconsin, you make it sound like the new Governor was ganging up on unions because they were Democratic. But in reality, unions were the root of the fiscal problem in Wisconsin. And since unions are lockstep Democratic voters, there was no way to deal with it without looking partisan.
 

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But looking specifically at Wisconsin, you make it sound like the new Governor was ganging up on unions because they were Democratic. But in reality, unions were the root of the fiscal problem in Wisconsin. And since unions are lockstep Democratic voters, there was no way to deal with it without looking partisan.
The unions had agreed to all the financial concessions. Walker wanted to do away with collective bargaining rights as well. The bargaining rights did not have an immediate effect on the budget, hence the seperate bill which eventually passed.


The progressive caucus and Obama are trying to reduce the costs of care, the GOP is trying to reduce the cost to the governement. Only one of those solutions attacks the route cause of the problem (medicaid costs are too high). We can debate whether this is the correct solution all day, but the fact remains that only one party has put forth a solution that is viable in the eyes of seniors.
 

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The GOP is putting Newt and Mitt on tour, and the public is responding. :laughing:

I fully expect, from what I have seen so far, for the GOP to be slaughtered in '12.

Nothing but no-plan-re-treads.
 

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The GOP is putting Newt and Mitt on tour, and the public is responding. :laughing:

I fully expect, from what I have seen so far, for the GOP to be slaughtered in '12.

Nothing but no-plan-re-treads.
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How many big names are waiting another 4 years for their shot?
 

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The unions had agreed to all the financial concessions. Walker wanted to do away with collective bargaining rights as well. The bargaining rights did not have an immediate effect on the budget, hence the seperate bill which eventually passed.
Well then, he would have my vote. I don't believe it is in the public interest for government unions to have collective bargaining "rights". Collective bargaining is a big part of the reason our government employees have wages and benefits out of line with the private sector, why they retire so early with such generous benefits, and why, in hard times like we are having now, those benefits are immune to being reduced. As a result, the 80% of people who don't work in government have to suffer to support those generous bennies. Collective bargaining is meant to protect employee groups from outlandishly poor remuneration by greedy private companies. No one wants our governments to be greedy with employees. But they do want them paid reasonable wages and benefits that reflect the economy at hand.
The progressive caucus and Obama are trying to reduce the costs of care, the GOP is trying to reduce the cost to the governement. Only one of those solutions attacks the route cause of the problem (medicaid costs are too high). We can debate whether this is the correct solution all day, but the fact remains that only one party has put forth a solution that is viable in the eyes of seniors.
This is just factually incorrect. Paul Ryan did present a plan that was immediately misrepresented to seniors. I agree, we can argue the merits of both the Dems plan and Ryan's plan. But to say the GOP has offered nothing is wrong, and just because Ryan's plan does away with Medicare, that doesn't mean there isn't a plan to replace it.

"Rep. Paul Ryan's budget proposal to overhaul Medicare already is being lambasted as an attack on seniors.
But the basic details of the plan are not so far off from several other health care systems -- including the coverage provided to members of Congress, the Medicare Advantage program and the so-called health insurance exchanges established under the Democrats' federal health care system overhaul."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mon-ground-obamacare-exchanges/#ixzz1NPB9JXnc
 

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The GOP has lost touch.. the promise this and that, get elected and continue business as usual.

The dems make promises, and deliver.

The GOP leadership is clueless, they won in 2010 and then started partying like it's 1985. Well it's not, and there is a very large portion of voters they depend on, who just aren't buying what they are selling. Hell, I am one of them. They have no plan, they have no answers, all they have at this point is a socialist named Romney and a neocon named Newt.

Sorry, we have a "socialist" (as the reps like to call him) already, and the last neocon kind of ruined it for the next 20 years. Fascism is here to stay.. get your corporate sponsor now, you will need them.
 
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